Thunder Offseason Thread

oreojenkins · Post #3541 » by **oreojenkins** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:01 pm

Would this basic structure make sense for both sides?

Adams, Gallo, Ferguson for Brown, Hayward, Ojeleye

Boston's frontcourt could use a little help, we add Brown to our core, maybe rehab Hayward's value but also maybe not. Saves us $10 million this year. I could see us getting a weak 1st, but honestly I'd just be happy to add someone like Brown.

Post #3542 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:05 pm

oreojenkins wrote:Would this basic structure make sense for both sides?

Adams, Gallo, Ferguson for Brown, Hayward, Ojeleye

Boston's frontcourt could use a little help, we add Brown to our core, maybe rehab Hayward's value but also maybe not. Saves us $10 million this year. I could see us getting a weak 1st, but honestly I'd just be happy to add someone like Brown.

brown is going to be rfa next summer if he's not extended. i think we can get a 1st for gallinari whenever. doesn't save much in the way of future $. meh.

jake_swivel · Post #3543 » by **jake_swivel** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:05 pm

oreojenkins wrote:Would this basic structure make sense for both sides?

Adams, Gallo, Ferguson for Brown, Hayward, Ojeleye

Boston's frontcourt could use a little help, we add Brown to our core, maybe rehab Hayward's value but also maybe not. Saves us $10 million this year. I could see us getting a weak 1st, but honestly I'd just be happy to add someone like Brown.

I think the Thunder are 2 years away from adding pieces with long term salary (Heyward) or will be up for a new contract (Brown). Hard to gauge Brown's value, but considering Harrison Barnes just got 20 per, I'd say Brown will get more, especially considering he'll likely be one of the top free agents and he's restricted.

Post #3544 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:09 pm

I really like Brown but doesn't fit our timeline.

Don't know if we can get a first for Gallo given his salary (maybe at the deadline if the right team needs him)

Doesn't worth it

oreojenkins · Post #3545 » by **oreojenkins** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:10 pm

I can see why we wouldn't or they wouldn't honestly. I just like Brown and would prefer him to adding more draft picks. Celtics not paying Brown would possibly be a motivating factor, shifting that money to bolster their frontcourt. Having Adams would help given Philly's size. Robert Williams could just hit though and they have no reason to do it.

oreojenkins · Post #3546 » by **oreojenkins** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:14 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:I really like Brown but doesn't fit our timeline.

Don't know if we can get a first for Gallo given his salary (maybe at the deadline if the right team needs him)

Doesn't worth it

He's 23 next season and we're likely going to have ample room to extend him if it were to happen. Think 23 y/o Brown and 21 y/o SGA would be pretty much a dream start to a rebuild. I get not wanting to pay someone next season.

Post #3547 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:14 pm

oreojenkins wrote:I can see why we wouldn't or they wouldn't honestly. I just like Brown and would prefer him to adding more draft picks. Celtics not paying Brown would possibly be a motivating factor, shifting that money to bolster their frontcourt. Having Adams would help given Philly's size. Robert Williams could just hit though and they have no reason to do it.

I really like Brown as well but doesn't fit our time line. We need to target younger guys like Musa (that's going to be expensive), Jonathan Isaac, Kennard etc

Post #3548 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:17 pm

I really wanted to start our rebuild with SGA + Herro but Miami didn't want to overpay for Westbrook :lol:

jake_swivel · Post #3549 » by **jake_swivel** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:25 pm

In my opinion the next year looks like:

Step 1: move Paul

Step 2: trade Galli and whatever expiring you get back from the Paul trade (likely Dragic) at the deadline for picks/youngish guys/solid vets. If you can get an expiring contract in exchange for Schroder's, do it.

Step 3: wait and see what you have with the young guys

Feels like any other moves would be minor during the upcoming season unless you get a godfather offer for Adams. Wait for next offseason or beyond to commit to any large contracts beyond 2021. Above all, aim for flexibility.

Post #3550 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:31 pm

oreojenkins wrote:I can see why we wouldn't or they wouldn't honestly. I just like Brown and would prefer him to adding more draft picks. Celtics not paying Brown would possibly be a motivating factor, shifting that money to bolster their frontcourt. Having Adams would help given Philly's size. Robert Williams could just hit though and they have no reason to do it.

I’m with you on brown. I don’t think he’s a superstar but he’s a guy that could help us win games and accelerate a rebuild. I just can’t imagine getting any kind of a fair deal from Ainge.

jake_swivel · Post #3551 » by **jake_swivel** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:33 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
oreojenkins wrote:I can see why we wouldn't or they wouldn't honestly. I just like Brown and would prefer him to adding more draft picks. Celtics not paying Brown would possibly be a motivating factor, shifting that money to bolster their frontcourt. Having Adams would help given Philly's size. Robert Williams could just hit though and they have no reason to do it.

I’m with you on brown. I don’t think he’s a superstar but he’s a guy that could help us win games and accelerate a rebuild. I just can’t imagine getting any kind of a fair deal from Ainge.

I hear he likes draft picks

Post #3552 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:35 pm

jake_swivel wrote:In my opinion the next year looks like:

Step 1: move Paul

Step 2: trade Galli and whatever expiring you get back from the Paul trade (likely Dragic) at the deadline for picks/youngish guys/solid vets. If you can get an expiring contract in exchange for Schroder's, do it.

Step 3: wait and see what you have with the young guys

Feels like any other moves would be minor during the upcoming season unless you get a godfather offer for Adams. Wait for next offseason or beyond to commit to any large contracts beyond 2021.

Step 1 is going to happen soon. Step 2, hope we can trade Gallo for a pick or young guy. Who knows what can happen with Schroeder (not likely but a desperate team could trade an expiring and a 2nd for Schroeder). That would be awesome.
Step 3 : figuring out what to do with Adams next offseason. I don't know what he wants (or Presti) but he's still young so I would be happy to keep him for a smaller contract. Otherwise I think he will have some trade value next offseason.

(Then the classic step 4 : draft a bunch of very athletic young guys with a lot of length that can't shoot)

Thunder Up · Post #3553 » by **Thunder Up** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:36 pm

I don't know how many times I need to say it... Herro is not a cornerstone piece of a rebuild, he is a decent 7th or 8th man at best

Post #3554 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:37 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
oreojenkins wrote:I can see why we wouldn't or they wouldn't honestly. I just like Brown and would prefer him to adding more draft picks. Celtics not paying Brown would possibly be a motivating factor, shifting that money to bolster their frontcourt. Having Adams would help given Philly's size. Robert Williams could just hit though and they have no reason to do it.

I’m with you on brown. I don’t think he’s a superstar but he’s a guy that could help us win games and accelerate a rebuild. I just can’t imagine getting any kind of a fair deal from Ainge.

That's why I don't want him. I love Brown but Boston will ask way too much for him. Not worth it.

jake_swivel · Post #3555 » by **jake_swivel** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:37 pm

Thunder Up wrote:I don't know how many times I need to say it... Herro is not a cornerstone piece of a rebuild, he is a decent 7th or 8th man at best

The Miami fascination with him is weird.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #3556 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:49 pm

Thunder Up wrote:I don't know how many times I need to say it... Herro is not a cornerstone piece of a rebuild, he is a decent 7th or 8th man at best

I think he can be your 5th/6th best player on a contender. Either starting SG or 6th man his combo guard ability lends itself well to that role. He is not your all-star building block, but he should become a quality performer.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #3557 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:52 pm

jake_swivel wrote:The Miami fascination with him is weird.

All they have is Butler, Winslow, Bam and Herro. I understand them wanting to believe Bam and Herro are going to be Shaq and Kobe. It is all they have to cling to for any chance at being good in the next few years.

Post #3558 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:54 pm

Here’s a boring take- maybe it’s way too early to know if he’ll be any good.

Post #3559 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:01 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Here’s a boring take- maybe it’s way too early to know if he’ll be any good.

I was going to say this :lol:

. He hasn't played an NBA game already. How is this possible to say if he's going to be a starter, a 6th or a 7th or 8th man? :crazy:

jake_swivel · Post #3560 » by **jake_swivel** » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:03 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Here’s a boring take- maybe it’s way too early to know if he’ll be any good.

For sure. But projection is part of the game. Right now we know he has below average height for his position with a wingspan that is below average for his height. We know his best skill is his shooting and he shot a pretty average 35% from 3 in college (although he shot an elite 95% from the line) which suggests he will have problems creating his own shot. I don't see point guard skills and I don't see him being able to guard his position. Seems like a poor man's Malik Monk.