Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[breakchains]

Maybe not but it's not impossible. 1) Henson is viewed by a lot of outsiders different than insiders and 2) the same may be true about Noel. Especially if they have Embiid/Okafor/Saric.

[yoshii8]

Doesn't Ed Davis sound like a great addition for the bucks right now? He's a very solid player who probably wouldn't take a whole lot to add.

[raferfenix]

Is there a better young center prospect than Kanter who might be available?

Koufos, O'Quinn anyone else who can play D.

If Kidd can get ZaZa playing effective D in our system I could see him doing so for other lumbering centers like Kanter as well.

But if there is doubt about that I would have hesitancy not only with how much we would be willing to give up for him in a trade, but how much we would be willing to resign him for as well.

Koufos is an UFA so I'm not sure how much value we would be willing to trade for him midseason -- unless we are so high on him that we would be willing to pay him more than he would otherwise get.

Hadn't looked into O'Quinn much before now. What do we think about him?

Did a search for O'Quinn on hoopsehype.com/rumors, found a lot of good stuff in this article from Dec. 6 on the 49th pick from 2012:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o ... story.html

The career arc for someone who begins to play competitive basketball as a high-school junior usually ends right where it started: in high school.

Kyle O'Quinn defied those odds.

Just how far O'Quinn has progressed was obvious again when his Orlando Magic faced the Sacramento Kings on Saturday night. O'Quinn was expected to start his fourth consecutive game in place of injured center Nikola Vucevic, and O'Quinn was a key reason why the Magic had a chance to complete their six-game road trip with a 3-3 record.

At 6-feet-10, O'Quinn gives the Magic a big man who runs the floor well, passes adeptly and possesses a sound midrange jumper.

He also plays with a toughness the rest of the team sometimes lacks.

Now in his third season, O'Quinn has emerged as one of the Magic's emotional leaders, someone who helps bind teammates together.

"My theory is with Kyle, if I had a daughter I would let him date my daughter," Magic coach Jacque Vaughn said. "He's a good dude, so I know there's no intent [to hurt opposing players] behind [the recent flagrant fouls]. He's just trying to be aggressive and protect our paint."

O'Quinn has gained a solid foothold in the NBA, and people who watch the league closely — opposing coaches and executives — say he does little things to help his team win even if those contributions don't always show up on the box score.

Although he missed 15 consecutive games with an ankle injury this season, he's been one of Orlando's most productive players.

His agents no doubt will remind league executives about that number when he becomes a restricted free agent in July. Because he'll be only 25 years old and because he plays two positions — including center, where there is a dearth of talent — he could command a big payday.

"I approach it the same way as if I knew how much I'll make next year," O'Quinn said. "I'm big on my faith, and I think God has a plan for me. And whatever happens, happens."

And found this comparison from a former backup center in Orlando instructive for why he might find himself available too:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o ... story.html

"I think Kyle O'Quinn has a bright future in this league," Gortat said before his Washington Wizards played the Magic at the Amway Center on Wednesday. "He's just got to continue to work on everything he does, and obviously he can knock down some shots from outside. He's a physical big man who can rebound the ball, but at the end of the day, he has to get inside, play something on the post and try to fight.

"Having a guy like Nik Vucevic on the team kind of reminds me of the same situation like I had with Dwight Howard. I just wish him all the best."

[ampd]

O'Quinn and ed davis would both be fine with me. We need to add someone though. Kenyon has had trouble staying healthy for more than 1 game at a time and zaza has been out for a while. I'd rather not keep playing ersan at c

[GoldenAntlers]

Some kind of three way deal? I don't think they'd want what we are willing to give up.

Henson and a 1st?

Jizztacular. Throw some dollars at Beverly and we're good. Needs the stars to mature on offense to be contenders but that D is challenging the Warriors from next season:

Beverly
Middleton
Parker
Giannis
Noel[/quote

Yes, please.
Honestly though, I'm starting to come around on Knight.

Knight
Middleton
Parker
Giannis
Noel

Would be just as intriguing.

[M-C-G]

If we are making a run this year, we really need to add a piece. Giannis is not going to hold up banging with centers. Ersan has been a shell, so disappointing because at one point he was looking like a plus rebounder but his per 36 have dropped four consecutive years.

Davis though is interesting, but we should be looking to use our cap to absorb a piece versus sending out any assets like picks or youngs.

[Frank Nova]

If Denver wants a 1st for Afflalo, would they consider taking that LAC 2017 1st for him?

I know Afflalo doesn't solve our problem in the front court but his addition could become huge down the stretch. His scoring and defense is a nice fit imo.

Starters:
Knight/Afflalo/Khris/Giannis/Zaza

2nd unit:
Bayless/Mayo/Dudley/Ersan/Henson

Floaters:
Jorge/Kenyon/JOB

Hard to assume Denver can't get a late 1st somewhere else that is closer to 'now' or if the salary situation is something we can just absorb without sending money out but it's just a thought... I figure collecting assets is still exactly that, collecting assets, and that's never going to be a bad thing...

Afflalo could be our John Salmons FTD deadline move that really gets us rolling after the All-Star break..

[JimmyTheKid]

If Denver wants a 1st for Afflalo, would they consider taking that LAC 2017 1st for him?

I know Afflalo doesn't solve our problem in the front court but his addition could become huge down the stretch. His scoring and defense is a nice fit imo.

Starters:
Knight/Afflalo/Khris/Giannis/Zaza

2nd unit:
Bayless/Mayo/Dudley/Ersan/Henson

Floaters:
Jorge/Kenyon/JOB

Hard to assume Denver can't get a late 1st somewhere else that is closer to 'now' or if the salary situation is something we can just absorb without sending money out but it's just a thought... I figure collecting assets is still exactly that, collecting assets, and that's never going to be a bad thing...

Afflalo could be our John Salmons FTD deadline move that really gets us rolling after the All-Star break..

I don't want to give up any assets for Affalo. We have Knight, Bayless, and Mayo. Not ideal, but again, I'd just hang on to our 1sts. If we make a move to get better, we need to bring in a big.

[paulpressey25]

Blake is now out for 2-6 weeks with a staph infection in his elbow.

I checked that 2017 Clippers pick protection. Basically top 14 protected for 2017, 2018 and 2019 and if it isn't conveyed by that point, it turns into two 2nd rounders, one in 2020 and one in 2021. I guess the question is how people around the league view the value of that pick at the moment.

Chris Paul turns 30 in May. Doc Rivers and Clips management have dealt away most of their future draft picks. Ballmer is an unproven owner, but seems to be more on the Randive side of things.

Paul and Blake are both under contract through June 2017. But there isn't much else left there.

Where I'm going with this is that if the Clips fall apart, we perhaps aren't getting that pick until 2018 or 2019 or getting two second rounders. There is heavy protection on it. I might be inclined to deal that pick in a trade if someone overvalues it.

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

Here is an idea. I look forward too much ridicule and some name calling for sure. However if you want to build a team that can have success like this year's Atlanta Hawks you start with this trade before the trade deadline.

You trade Jabari Parker and 2 first round pics to Detroit for Andre Drummond. Are biggest weakness as it stands now is rebounding. Add the leagues most dominant player on the boards and the Bucks could very well grab the 4th seed in this year's playoffs. Drummond is only 21 and is on his rookie salary next year before he becomes a restricted free agent the following year. Not sure Jabari and two picks is enough to make it happen but if would be enough why not?

I know this board loves Jabari and why not he seems to be a good kid. However he is now a great unknown. The bucks always seems to get the short end of the stick on these great unknowns. Example often injured Andrew Bogut. With Drummond you get a monster and your second core piece to go Giannis.

The final piece happens in the upcoming 2015 free agency. After resigning Brandon Knight and Kris Middleton, you throw whatever money you can spend on SG Wesley Mathews. Maybe something in 13 to 14 million range. Hopefully some or all Larry Sanders money is of the books. Wesley Mathews is the perfect fit in Milwaukee. He is a great 3-point shooter, a hustle player and team leader. He would be a fan favorite for sure with his roots being from both Madison and Marquette. He is one of the few young stars would probably give the Bucks a shot signing him especially is we are an upcoming team with Kidd coaching us. Adding Drummond would also help in that respect.
The Bucks need to increase attendance and with Mathews, Drummond, Giannis, Middleton, Knight and company this team would be exciting even to the average fan.

I know how much this board values pics. However we would be adding two young, proven players vs the great unknown. I say we are close now, why not take that next step.

2015 Roster would like this:
Brandon Knight
Wesley Mathews
Kris Middleton
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Andre Drummond

Jared Bayless
OJ Mayo
Jared Dudley
John Henson
Zaza Pachulia

Ersan Ilyasova
Damien Inglis

[Turk Nowitzki]

You trade Jabari Parker and 2 first round pics to Detroit for Andre Drummond.

[Frank Nova]

If Denver wants a 1st for Afflalo, would they consider taking that LAC 2017 1st for him?

I know Afflalo doesn't solve our problem in the front court but his addition could become huge down the stretch. His scoring and defense is a nice fit imo.

Starters:
Knight/Afflalo/Khris/Giannis/Zaza

2nd unit:
Bayless/Mayo/Dudley/Ersan/Henson

Floaters:
Jorge/Kenyon/JOB

Hard to assume Denver can't get a late 1st somewhere else that is closer to 'now' or if the salary situation is something we can just absorb without sending money out but it's just a thought... I figure collecting assets is still exactly that, collecting assets, and that's never going to be a bad thing...

Afflalo could be our John Salmons FTD deadline move that really gets us rolling after the All-Star break..

I don't want to give up any assets for Affalo. We have Knight, Bayless, and Mayo. Not ideal, but again, I'd just hang on to our 1sts. If we make a move to get better, we need to bring in a big.

Understandable, and I agree to a certain extent but I'm looking at who is attainable that can make us better overall and Afflalo definitely fits the bill there. He scores well and defends 2 positions well and his addition can slide Giannis to a bigger role at PF.

I don't value our draft picks anymore nearly the same as most of the posters here. I'm looking for immediate help without ruining the chemistry of the players. I have no interest at all in waiting around to see if a 2017 25th overall pick can even make it in the league 5yrs from now. That's 2yrs waiting to even make the pick and 3yrs or so to see if he even sticks around. Why that's worth holding onto and not cashing in on is beyond me....

[WeekapaugGroove]

You trade Jabari Parker and 2 first round pics to Detroit for Andre Drummond.

that's a pretty steep price. I'd definitely do parker for Drummond straight up but Detroit wouldn't.

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[BUCKSFORLIFE]

If Denver wants a 1st for Afflalo, would they consider taking that LAC 2017 1st for him?

I know Afflalo doesn't solve our problem in the front court but his addition could become huge down the stretch. His scoring and defense is a nice fit imo.

Starters:
Knight/Afflalo/Khris/Giannis/Zaza

2nd unit:
Bayless/Mayo/Dudley/Ersan/Henson

Floaters:
Jorge/Kenyon/JOB

Hard to assume Denver can't get a late 1st somewhere else that is closer to 'now' or if the salary situation is something we can just absorb without sending money out but it's just a thought... I figure collecting assets is still exactly that, collecting assets, and that's never going to be a bad thing...

Afflalo could be our John Salmons FTD deadline move that really gets us rolling after the All-Star break..

I don't want to give up any assets for Affalo. We have Knight, Bayless, and Mayo. Not ideal, but again, I'd just hang on to our 1sts. If we make a move to get better, we need to bring in a big.

Understandable, and I agree to a certain extent but I'm looking at who is attainable that can make us better overall and Afflalo definitely fits the bill there. He scores well and defends 2 positions well and his addition can slide Giannis to a bigger role at PF.

I don't value our draft picks anymore nearly the same as most of the posters here. I'm looking for immediate help without ruining the chemistry of the players. I have no interest at all in waiting around to see if a 2017 25th overall pick can even make it in the league 5yrs from now. That's 2yrs waiting to even make the pick and 3yrs or so to see if he even sticks around. Why that's worth holding onto and not cashing in on is beyond me....

I agree with you totally on waiting and dreaming some middle to late first round picks will ever amount to anything. In the mean time we just a couple of players short of being a consistent 50 game winner.

[MiltownHawkeye]

If Denver wants a 1st for Afflalo, would they consider taking that LAC 2017 1st for him?

I know Afflalo doesn't solve our problem in the front court but his addition could become huge down the stretch. His scoring and defense is a nice fit imo.

Starters:
Knight/Afflalo/Khris/Giannis/Zaza

2nd unit:
Bayless/Mayo/Dudley/Ersan/Henson

Floaters:
Jorge/Kenyon/JOB

Hard to assume Denver can't get a late 1st somewhere else that is closer to 'now' or if the salary situation is something we can just absorb without sending money out but it's just a thought... I figure collecting assets is still exactly that, collecting assets, and that's never going to be a bad thing...

Afflalo could be our John Salmons FTD deadline move that really gets us rolling after the All-Star break..

I don't want to give up any assets for Affalo. We have Knight, Bayless, and Mayo. Not ideal, but again, I'd just hang on to our 1sts. If we make a move to get better, we need to bring in a big.

Understandable, and I agree to a certain extent but I'm looking at who is attainable that can make us better overall and Afflalo definitely fits the bill there. He scores well and defends 2 positions well and his addition can slide Giannis to a bigger role at PF.

I don't value our draft picks anymore nearly the same as most of the posters here. I'm looking for immediate help without ruining the chemistry of the players. I have no interest at all in waiting around to see if a 2017 25th overall pick can even make it in the league 5yrs from now. That's 2yrs waiting to even make the pick and 3yrs or so to see if he even sticks around. Why that's worth holding onto and not cashing in on is beyond me....

Because cashing in just to cash in is called bad asset management. That's what it seems like we're doing with that trade. Afflalo doesn't solve any of our problems and you risk messing with the on-court chemistry we've built. He's good but he doesn't move the needle that much. And I wouldn't want him opting in after the year either, especially if he plays poorly and ruins his own value.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Here is an idea. I look forward too much ridicule and some name calling for sure. However if you want to build a team that can have success like this year's Atlanta Hawks you start with this trade before the trade deadline.

You trade Jabari Parker and 2 first round pics to Detroit for Andre Drummond. Are biggest weakness as it stands now is rebounding. Add the leagues most dominant player on the boards and the Bucks could very well grab the 4th seed in this year's playoffs. Drummond is only 21 and is on his rookie salary next year before he becomes a restricted free agent the following year. Not sure Jabari and two picks is enough to make it happen but if would be enough why not?

I know this board loves Jabari and why not he seems to be a good kid. However he is now a great unknown. The bucks always seems to get the short end of the stick on these great unknowns. Example often injured Andrew Bogut. With Drummond you get a monster and your second core piece to go Giannis.

The final piece happens in the upcoming 2015 free agency. After resigning Brandon Knight and Kris Middleton, you throw whatever money you can spend on SG Wesley Mathews. Maybe something in 13 to 14 million range. Hopefully some or all Larry Sanders money is of the books. Wesley Mathews is the perfect fit in Milwaukee. He is a great 3-point shooter, a hustle player and team leader. He would be a fan favorite for sure with his roots being from both Madison and Marquette. He is one of the few young stars would probably give the Bucks a shot signing him especially is we are an upcoming team with Kidd coaching us. Adding Drummond would also help in that respect.
The Bucks need to increase attendance and with Mathews, Drummond, Giannis, Middleton, Knight and company this team would be exciting even to the average fan.

I know how much this board values pics. However we would be adding two young, proven players vs the great unknown. I say we are close now, why not take that next step.

2015 Roster would like this:
Brandon Knight
Wesley Mathews
Kris Middleton
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Andre Drummond

Jared Bayless
OJ Mayo
Jared Dudley
John Henson
Zaza Pachulia

Ersan Ilyasova
Damien Inglis

[Bucks2585]

What would it take to get Bismack Biyombo from the Hornets? Seems like that low risk, potentially high upside player the Bucks could take a chance on at C whose strengths in rebounding and defense would fit well with our current weaknesses.

[ampd]

Here is an idea. I look forward too much ridicule and some name calling for sure. However if you want to build a team that can have success like this year's Atlanta Hawks you start with this trade before the trade deadline.

You trade Jabari Parker and 2 first round pics to Detroit for Andre Drummond.

This is an interesting one.

I really really like Jabari, and I have no idea if the Pistons are rebuilding or what, but the more I think about it the more tempted I am.

[ampd]

What would it take to get Bismack Biyombo from the Hornets? Seems like that low risk, potentially high upside player the Bucks could take a chance on at C whose strengths in rebounding and defense would fit well with our current weaknesses.

Due to the bottom of the east being so bad, Charlotte is in the 7th seed at the moment. They probably aren't looking to deal their rotation players unless they are getting more value back than we'd likely want to offer.

Everyone in the Eastern Conference from 7-13 has to think they have a shot at making the playoffs right now, in spite of some of those teams being double digits under .500.

If we're looking to grab guys, maybe the West would be a better place to look. DEN, UTA, SAC, LAL, MIN, NYK, and PHI are all basically out of it, so they'd be the most likely to be willing to part with someone they don't consider a long term piece. There's a chance a couple of those east teams decide to tank at the deadline rather than fight for the 8th seed too I suppose.

[M-C-G]

JJ Hickson would be interesting if we thought he would buy in to the defense.