FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[Cbrunn2]

What about the Pistons as a trade partner?
#4 + Calderon
for
#8 + Jennings + 2nd
- get out of Calderon final year of contract, can chose to keep Jennings if you want next year - Pistons trade up to take Prozingis, who would fit Perfect beside Drummond, and the Driving of Reggie Jackson
- Maybe a bit more , but what else would you want back that they'd realistically be willing to give?

then the Bucks

#8 + THJR
for
#17 + Middleton (sign and trade say like 10 MIl per year) + Henson
- Bucks might not want to pay up for Middleton, so use him as a reasonable sign and trade along with Henson , not too sure who they might want to jump up and grab, but they can ID someone that would fit along side Parker and Carter-Williams

@17 i'd look at Bobby Portis, Trey Lyels, Kevon Looney
Pistons 2nd I'd look at George De Paula as maybe a stash for a year or so

give you a roster looking like before FA , with something like 16ish left to spend in FA

Jennings / Galloway
Middelton / Schved / Ledo
Melo / Early
Bobby Portis /
John Henson

[Capn'O]

There is zero trade down scenario that I will agree to where the primary purpose for doing the trade is clearing Calderon.

100% agreed. I just don't see the urgency.

[92Knicksfan93]

There is zero trade down scenario that I will agree to where the primary purpose for doing the trade is clearing Calderon.

100% agreed. I just don't see the urgency.

There's no urgency and there's no upside for us both short term and longterm is short changing our chances of getting a possible star player.

[Mason14nyk]

There is zero trade down scenario that I will agree to where the primary purpose for doing the trade is clearing Calderon.

Why? Wouldn't you rather the cap space and take Winslow at 6 rather than 4?

[andyhop]

#8 + THJR
for
#17 + Middleton (sign and trade say like 10 MIl per year) + Henson
- Bucks might not want to pay up for Middleton, so use him as a reasonable sign and trade along with Henson , not too sure who they might want to jump up and grab, but they can ID someone that would fit along side Parker and Carter-Williams

You can't easily combine S&T's and draft picks due to the timing issues ,Middleton is going to get way more than $10m ,the Bucks moved Knight because they were going to pay Middleton not him and the Bucks would laugh at the trade if you removed the #17 and Henson apart from that you are on the right track.

[Reign23]

saw a lot of uninteresting trade down scenarios... the 2 best are clearly:

#4 + jose for #7 and lawson
and
#4 + jose for #13 and bledsoe

[92Knicksfan93]

There is zero trade down scenario that I will agree to where the primary purpose for doing the trade is clearing Calderon.

Why? Wouldn't you rather the cap space and take Winslow at 6 rather than 4?

I would rather take Winslow at 4 and hold onto Calderon. I'm a fan of Calderon's and his inclusion in the Chandler trade was the reason I liked the trade, as he's a solid veteran PG who knows how to run an offense. When healthy his steady play at PG makes up for his individual flaws on defense. He's a good veteran presence to have, on a team that's getting young, and he's a nice option to have running the offense for a year. What was this team's problem in 2013-2014? We didn't have Jason Kidd directing the offense with Goose Felton playing off of him. We had Goose running the offense to worse results. Calderon is steady like Jason Kidd* in that respect, and he's got a good 3point shot, and can still make free throws. Calderon's struggles last year were due to health and the fact the triangle offense requires about a year of adjustming to. Plus if he proves that he has hard time still adjusting to the triangle this coming season (2015-2016), then either before the start of or during the 2016-2017, he would make a nice trade asset as an expiring contract (UFA in 2017).

*Also, Jose Calderon was contributing on a Dallas team that nearly upset the Spurs in the first round of the 2014 playoffs. In game 3 he had 16 points and 9 assists.

http://youtu.be/5VeSCb2NcLs

[Deeeez Knicks]

There is zero trade down scenario that I will agree to where the primary purpose for doing the trade is clearing Calderon.

100% agreed. I just don't see the urgency.

200% agreed.

And i will add I really hate almost any trade down scenario. Think we just need to draft the top guy left and call it a day.

[kej718]

Middleton is going to get way more than 7 mill.

Wesley Matthews is the best option for us... His injury is very concerning, but talent wise he's the best fit at SG. He can shoot pretty well, is a great man-to-man defender, great leadership and has improved his passing and post-up/mid-range game a lot these last two seasons, which is a big plus to have in our triangle system!... Also he'd cost less then the RFA and would put us in a good situation to have enough money to max out Gasol (or even his buddy LMA)! PS: Jose must go for that to happen, though!!

Mudiay
Matthews
Melo
Gasol

=> If we play Melo at 4, then you sign Carroll... if we play him at 3 than Brandon Bass (or David West if he opts-out)

Dream scenario: if Porty agrees to do a SnT with us then we could afford a better player than Carroll!!

What's the likelihood that Matthews doesn't stay in Portland?

Portland Trail Blazers guard Wesley Matthews appeared on ESPN's Sports Nation Thursday and was, of course, asked about his rehab and his upcoming free agency. When asked by host Michelle Beadle if he sees a return to Portland, Matthews gave a fairly vague response about where his gut is telling him he will end up: Beadle: Do you see yourself staying in Portland? Is that your gut (feeling)? Wesley Matthews: My gut is, right now, the best place for me. A lot of things can happen (when free agency opens on July 1) -- we got the draft and our team is full of free agents, so I want the best place for me. Oregonian - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/wesley_ ... rg89y.dpuf

I think they try to convince him to take less money to stay. It will depend on what Aldrige does though. If he leaves then maybe they offer him more, or maybe tries to go some place he has a chance of winning.

[BowlRips]

To me Wes Matthews is the type of player we need to go after. It's worth taking the risk if you can snag him on a deal between $8-10million. He was headed towards a max offer before free agency

[GONYK]

To me Wes Matthews is the type of player we need to go after. It's worth taking the risk if you can snag him on a deal between $8-10million. He was headed towards a max offer before free agency

It is kind of hard to commit to a player coming off of a torn ACL

[Deeeez Knicks]

To me Wes Matthews is the type of player we need to go after. It's worth taking the risk if you can snag him on a deal between $8-10million. He was headed towards a max offer before free agency

It is kind of hard to commit to a player coming off of a torn ACL

Even worse...achillies

[GONYK]

To me Wes Matthews is the type of player we need to go after. It's worth taking the risk if you can snag him on a deal between $8-10million. He was headed towards a max offer before free agency

It is kind of hard to commit to a player coming off of a torn ACL

Even worse...achillies

Yea...can't see him getting a longterm deal this offseason

[BowlRips]

To me Wes Matthews is the type of player we need to go after. It's worth taking the risk if you can snag him on a deal between $8-10million. He was headed towards a max offer before free agency

It is kind of hard to commit to a player coming off of a torn ACL

Achillies but I hear you.
If you sign him and he ends up being healthy you got yourself a terrific bargain moving forward
If you draft Mudiay and able to move Calderon I wouldnt mind going forward with something like this

34 mil available:
Monroe (15)
Matthews (8)
Crowder (4)
Koufas (5)
Bass (2)

Monroe / Koufas
Bass / Crowder
Melo / Early
Matthews / Tim Hardaway
Galloway / Mudiay

[Deeeez Knicks]

It is kind of hard to commit to a player coming off of a torn ACL

Even worse...achillies

Yea...can't see him getting a longterm deal this offseason

yeah, I really feel for the guy and hope he comes back, but don't think I'd take a chance on him unless it was a real bargain

[CharlesOakley]

I love Wesley Mathews but I wouldn't touch him given his current injury. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/fantasy-ba ... d-achilles

[Yankeeknickfan]

Knicks get: cousins

Kings get: Jose, 4th pick, and the pick from the cavs

[Yankeeknickfan]

Give Mathews a 1 yr deal with a club option for yr 2.

[Johnny Hoops]

The problem is the particular trade with Utah that I critiqued doesn't involve "Assets" coming back to us in the form of Hood and Booker.

That hypothetical Knicks team would never get out of the East-hell it would be lucky to get past the second round.

Trevor Booker (27) is 2 years younger than Paul Milsap (29) and is a significantly worse free throw shooter, a worse rebounder and a worse defender than Paul Milsap. There is no upside to Booker's game at this point. Trevor Booker is actually a worse player than even Clarance Weatherspoon was.

Willie Cauley Stein as much as I like him is not worth this trade at all...if my choice was WCS plus this trade or giving a max deal to DeAndre Jordan and keeping #4, I'll take DeAndre and the #4 pick.

The only way I deal with Utah and our #4 pick is if Derrick Favors was included (hes gotten better as a player each year and still only 23 years old) he's a shot blocking, rebounding big man who also scores on offense and at 67% isn't a liability at the FT line. However seeing how hard it is to find a guy like Favors in either Free Agency or the Draft, I have a hard time believing Utah would agree to this trade. If they agreed to it, I would take it and then look to add a starting caliber PG, a wing to be Melo's sidekick and a complimentary big to play opposite Favor

I wasn't commenting specially on you and I don't favor the Utah deal either.

I would question you though on going the Mudiay / D-Jordan route. While that is intriguing I think could get a bigger bang for you buck with adding say McLemore (SG) and WCS @ #6 and then going after say Monroe & Dragic or another PG in FA. I think a trade down for WCS and slightly lower pick allows us to accumulate most quality assets and build an actual team. That said I could live with Manny and Jordan

If McLemore could defend and rebound at 21 like Winslow does at 19 I would be happy with that type of deal because McLemore can score. However he's an inch shorter in height than Winslow (6'3.5" without shoes compared to 6'4.5" for Winslow), 3 inches shorter in length (6'7" wingspan for McLemore compared to 6'10.25" for Winslow), and is 4 inches shorter in standing reach (McLemore is 8'4" compared to Winslow being 8'8"). I would rather do the Denver trade but for Ty Lawson, use Denver's pick on Justise Winslow, and sign DeAndre Jordan. We've improved PG, SG, and C in the process.

This isn't bad but there are a few things you have or haven't done in your scenario and I understand none of these scenarios are perfect. Just exchanging views with you on this stuff.

- you don't get us a post scorer for the triangle
- you make Lawson the primary #2 scorer because you use your FA space on D-Jordan
- you surround Melo with 3 suspect perimeter shooters.

In the McLemore & WCS scenario I proposed -- we go out and sign Monroe as our post-scorer and 2nd option to Melo. On top of Monroe we can either look to add a PG (Dragic?) or another scorer. But in this scenario we've added a legit SG with range to spread the floor, we've added a post scorer to run the triangle thru and help Melo and we've added a potentially elite defender/rim protector in WCS. The last FA spot goes to best fit available or best player Phil can get here.

[Johnny Hoops]

I know this sounds crazy, but how about we just keep our pick? The first one does absolutely nothing us, and the 2nd with the Lakers pick isn't happening and sucks too

I keep the pick 10/10 times if Okafor, Towns, or Russell fall to #4. I'm just not completely sold on Mudiay to be honest. If we can dump Calderon and pick up another asset, while moving down a few spots - you have to certainly consider it.

A deal like Calderon, 4, Early for McLemore, 6 makes too much sense for us not to pass up IMO. We can still add one of Kristaps, Winslow, Mario, WCS at 6 while clearing up an additional 5-6 mil and picking up a young wing in McLemore.

Why aren't u sold on Mudiay? Russell has more question marks than him. Trading the #4 pick just to get rid of Calderon is horrible. That's using yet another asset to try and fix another mistake that we made, which is what we always do! Clearing more cap space will just give us more money to spend on 2nd and 3rd tier players. There's also no reason to do something so short sighted when the cap is set to explode the following year.
WCS will be a bad selection for us. He can't score on his own, and we have no PG to set him up for easy baskets. We play at the slowest pace in the league while he excels in an uptempto offense, and he will be expected to anchor our defense which was one of the worst in the league. Of course, he will fail miserably at it because he's a rookie. Ben McLemore is nothing special at all...just a better shooting Shumpert. He's a dime a dozen in the NBA. I'll take quality assets over quantity

You guys act like they are proposing trading the #4 and Calderon straight up for McLemore and that is NOT THE DEAL.

The deal is #4 and Calderon for #6 and McLemore --- you are only sliding 2 spots down and if the Knicks do a deal like this it's because they want the player they are getting at #6 better than the player they could get at #4. They are just picking up a 22-year old starting SG with plenty of upside in the process of sliding 2 spots in the draft.

So if you are countering that you don't like trading #4 for McLemore at least acknowledge that you are still getting the #6 pick and also at least acknowledge that there is some considerable debate as to which players should be ranked highest when talking about guys like Mudiay, Porzingis, WCS and Winslow. Just because said poster loves Mudiay does not mean Mudiay is best player and it does not mean that the Knicks covet Mudiay over other available players -- it just means that said poster covets Mudiay.