The Trade Thread

[Kilo]

PHX might consider Stuckey with Bledsoe out for awhile.

[Q00]

On a positive note, there's now conflicting reports out there on the situation. Chad Ford posted in his draft insider article today saying something like, 'with the Pistons shopping Monroe with plans of moving Smith to PF, such and such player would fit good in Detroit at SF.'

Do you know specific teams we could trade with or players that could fit well? I don't have insider so I'd like to know.

I don't have insider either, I was just paraphrasing from what someone on another site posted. The gist of what he said though was that the Pistons are shopping him to move Smith to PF, and thus a SF would make sense for them in the draft.

He could've just been repeating the common speculation that the Pistons need to trade one of them though, and not necessarily speaking with any new inside info on the situation. I can't say because I didn't read it, so if someone here has access, please post it.

[sfballa13]

On Bill Simmons 2nd Birdmester he mentioned Indiana could possibly go after someone like Stuckey:

What about:
Stuckey and Jerebko
for
Granger

We dump Jerebko, start Granger, move Monroe to the bench exclusively (maybe that increases his production by going up against lesser competition), and most importantly we get worse guaranteeing us the 8th pick.

Worse case scenario we can trade Granger at the deadline. We would have 22M of expiring deals to play around with plus Monroe available for trade.

That being said, there is not one player that can provide the production Stuckey provides while covering the majority of Granger's contract in a trade. Indiana literally can't make a better trade bc they not only get a player they could really use off the bench they get money to resign Lance this offseason.

Indiana would not consider this deal in my opinion.

Having your own opinion is valid but when you take a look at their options there are very few to zero.

Granger is not providing anything they need and they cant take on a bad contract as they have to give Lance money.

What other expiring productive player is there out there that Indy could trade Granger for?

[cammac]

The problem with Smith is that his value is so low that he is untradeable.
If he was offered to the Raptors Smith for Fields, Hayes & Novak our 3 worst contracts I would say yes on the condition the Raptors had the right to switch picks in 2014, 15 and 16.

Smith sucks no doubt but the 3 headed monster Drummond, Smith & Monroe is a disaster.
Monroe is your only trading chip while I believe he is tremendously over-rated on the Piston board you could get something usable.

The Pistons need time for Drummond to improve right now he has zero range but is a great rebounder. The rest of his game is rough and he isn't getting the touches he needs to improve. He is still a great C prospect one of the best 2 young Cs in the NBA.

The trade that brought Jennings to Detroit looked like a steal on the surface but Jennings is a inconsistent chucker and any team can have one but not 2.

Don't envy the situation the Pistons are in.

[Spider156]

I don't think Smith's value went down. GMs know what they're getting when he comes into the team. The only thing that's lowering his value is his contract. No, he doesn't deserve that contract. With that said, I do believe Monroe will be traded for several reasons:

1. Bad defense. There's just no effort from Monroe on defense.
2. No outside shot. To build around Drummond, you need 3 shooters and mid field shooter with him. Smith is not bad to have at PF while we have 3 shooters from the arc.
3. He's on an expiring rookie contract. That's wonderful.
4. He's a productive big man that is a fringe All-Star.

All these reasons tell me that he WILL be traded. I just don't know for whom. There are SO many options! I'm thinking Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Evan Turner, Aaron Afflalo, Thaddeus Young, etc.

I don't believe we need to trade our PG. I think Jennings has been above my expectations and he's doing a good job at the PG spot. Smith isn't having trouble playing SF in my opinion. It's just the clog that's in the paint. So the options multiply! We can trade for a stretch 4 like Ryan Anderson if we'd like. That would do wonders for Drummond. But I don't really want Anderson. I see him as another Charlie.

I DO believe a trade is coming soon and I hope it happens ASAP. I'm tired of seeing us lose.

[sc8581]

On Bill Simmons 2nd Birdmester he mentioned Indiana could possibly go after someone like Stuckey:

What about:
Stuckey and Jerebko
for
Granger

We dump Jerebko, start Granger, move Monroe to the bench exclusively (maybe that increases his production by going up against lesser competition), and most importantly we get worse guaranteeing us the 8th pick.

Worse case scenario we can trade Granger at the deadline. We would have 22M of expiring deals to play around with plus Monroe available for trade.

That being said, there is not one player that can provide the production Stuckey provides while covering the majority of Granger's contract in a trade. Indiana literally can't make a better trade bc they not only get a player they could really use off the bench they get money to resign Lance this offseason.

Indiana would not consider this deal in my opinion.

Having your own opinion is valid but when you take a look at their options there are very few to zero.

Granger is not providing anything they need and they cant take on a bad contract as they have to give Lance money.

What other expiring productive player is there out there that Indy could trade Granger for?

Stuckey is expiring but Jerebko will likely pick up his $4.5M option for next season, I think they can do better than that for the money since it does look like they will be on a tight budget.

[jjaymes]

This works in the trade machine.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=opv39k4

Moose, Stuck, CV for Ariza and Nene and some sort of draft pick.

[momed11]

The problem with Smith is that his value is so low that he is untradeable.
If he was offered to the Raptors Smith for Fields, Hayes & Novak our 3 worst contracts I would say yes on the condition the Raptors had the right to switch picks in 2014, 15 and 16.

Smith sucks no doubt but the 3 headed monster Drummond, Smith & Monroe is a disaster.
Monroe is your only trading chip while I believe he is tremendously over-rated on the Piston board you could get something usable.

The Pistons need time for Drummond to improve right now he has zero range but is a great rebounder. The rest of his game is rough and he isn't getting the touches he needs to improve. He is still a great C prospect one of the best 2 young Cs in the NBA.

The trade that brought Jennings to Detroit looked like a steal on the surface but Jennings is a inconsistent chucker and any team can have one but not 2.

Don't envy the situation the Pistons are in.

m

Im mad you referred to it as a 3 head monster.

[ComboGuardCity]

I don't think Smith's value went down. GMs know what they're getting when he comes into the team. The only thing that's lowering his value is his contract. No, he doesn't deserve that contract. With that said, I do believe Monroe will be traded for several reasons:

1. Bad defense. There's just no effort from Monroe on defense.
2. No outside shot. To build around Drummond, you need 3 shooters and mid field shooter with him. Smith is not bad to have at PF while we have 3 shooters from the arc.
3. He's on an expiring rookie contract. That's wonderful.
4. He's a productive big man that is a fringe All-Star.

All these reasons tell me that he WILL be traded. I just don't know for whom. There are SO many options! I'm thinking Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Evan Turner, Aaron Afflalo, Thaddeus Young, etc.

I don't believe we need to trade our PG. I think Jennings has been above my expectations and he's doing a good job at the PG spot. Smith isn't having trouble playing SF in my opinion. It's just the clog that's in the paint. So the options multiply! We can trade for a stretch 4 like Ryan Anderson if we'd like. That would do wonders for Drummond. But I don't really want Anderson. I see him as another Charlie.

I DO believe a trade is coming soon and I hope it happens ASAP. I'm tired of seeing us lose.

Monroe is showing just as much effort as Drummond if not more.

[theBigLip]

The problem with Smith is that his value is so low that he is untradeable.

I'm as disappointed as anyone on Smith, but he is tradeable. If Rudy Gay got traded, if Bargnani got traded, then Smith can be traded. It's just a matter of finding the right GM with the right needs (and our GMs willingness to admit he made a mistake).

[ComboGuardCity]

The problem with Smith is that his value is so low that he is untradeable.

I'm as disappointed as anyone on Smith, but he is tradeable. If Rudy Gay got traded, if Bargnani got traded, then Smith can be traded. It's just a matter of finding the right GM with the right needs (and our GMs willingness to admit he made a mistake).

Exactly. The biggest hurdle is our own GM swallowing his pride.

[Q00]

Chris Mannix said on the radio today that he expects the Pistons should be able to get a borderline All-Star for Monroe should they look to deal him. He thinks there would be a lot of teams interested, though didn't know any specific.

http://www.detroitsports1051.com/mattde ... ris-mannix

[DetroitPistons]

Chris Mannix said on the radio today that he expects the Pistons should be able to get a borderline All-Star for Monroe should they look to deal him. He thinks there would be a lot of teams interested, though didn't know any specific.

http://www.detroitsports1051.com/mattde ... ris-mannix

That seems about right. Now hopefully Dumars actually pulls the trigger on trading Monroe..... and then trading Smith..... and then trading Jennings....

[DetroitPistons]

PHX might consider Stuckey with Bledsoe out for awhile.

Definitely not

[ImHeisenberg]

PHX might consider Stuckey with Bledsoe out for awhile.

Definitely not

Depends on what they want to achieve this season. If they want a playoff run, they'd be interested in Stuckey- for the right asking price. They aren't giving up Dragic or Bledsoe. If they still want to bomb this season for a lottery pick, then Stuckey wouldn't interest them.


The Nuggets are a team spinning their wheels. I still like Wilson Chandler. He isn't an all-star level player, but very solid and that's the kind of player you could probably get for Stuckey and another asset.

[Kilo]

Another reason I don't think we'll see any Monroe trade this season - nobody out of the play-offs wants to improve now. They all want to tank to get the better shot at the lottery now and won't make a trade they think improves themselves for the rest of this season. So it's in our best interest as well to play out this season with what we have for trade purposes because more teams might be willing to bid for Monroe (or even Smith) in the off-season once draft seeding has been awarded.

[The Penguin]

GSW in - Monroe, Jennings, Datome

Pistons in - Harrison Barnes, Speights, Tony Douglas, Jermain O'Neal


GSW adds Monroe and has a strong 3 big rotation and Jennings is the pg they are looking to add. Bogut/Monroe/Lee/Igoudala/Thompson/Curry/Jennings is a sick top 7.


Pistons hit the reset, likely tank this year with no pg and can hit next summer with Drummond/Barnes/Smith/KCP/Singler a '14 lotto pick in the loaded draft and cap room.

[ImHeisenberg]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q6rvgy9

Riffing on the reports that the Pelicans are "aggressively" shopping Eric Gordon right now. Detroit, Houston and NO get involved in a 3-way deal that helps all 3 parties.

Detroit out: Josh Smith, Will Bynum
Detroit in: Eric Gordon, Isaiah Canaan

Houston out: Omer Asik, Isaiah Canaan
Houston in: Josh Smith

NO out: Eric Gordon
NO in: Omer Asik, Will Bynum

Detroit gets out from the terrible fit of Josh Smith, gets another perimeter scorer in Gordon, arguably would be the teams best scorer. They also get a project player in Canaan who's seeking a trade out of Houston.

Houston gets Dwight's buddy, Josh Smith, who Morey went after in a sign and trade with Atlanta that fell through. He's a defensive and offensive upgrade over their current lot of power forwards as well.

NO moves Gordon to get more playing time for Tyreke Evans, gets a legit defensive center to play next to Anthony Davis as well. Will Bynum is basically the trade tax they pick up in this deal.

[BadMofoPimp]

^^^^^ Both those trades are just plain horrible, sorry. ^^^^^

Detroit wants nothing to do with Eric Gordons 3 more years at 14 mil plus contract nor trade Monroe/Jennings for Harrison Barnes and trash. C'mon, we are supposed to do homer trades here!

[uncleoswald]

Chris Mannix said on the radio today that he expects the Pistons should be able to get a borderline All-Star for Monroe should they look to deal him. He thinks there would be a lot of teams interested, though didn't know any specific.

makes sense because monroe is a borderline all-star. in other words, not much of a scoop. (no offense to you, just chris chris mannix).

the issue that i see on the pistons is depth and so i hope that dumars considers improving the bench with reasonable contracts by making a trade. the issue with teams looking to deal for monroe is that obviously, he could leave after his deal is over in the off-season. if i were dumars, i'd be looking for sign-and-trade deals for monroe similar to the one that milwaukee pulled off for jennings—where the bucks got at least two cheap, talented kids on multiyear deals. to me, it's preferable to use our cap space (stuckey and villaneuva expirings) in trades because veterans are so often overpaid once they hit free agency.

keeping within the theme of staying within the division, i'd be taking a good long look cleveland's roster of young kids and vets who could fill our biggest weakness, the bench. could monroe play with tristan thompson, luol deng, and kyrie irving in cleveland? it's a big investment of cash, but they need to keep irving happy. i think if the cavs offered a package including anthony bennett, the pistons would consider it.

we could let stuckey walk and take on jarrett jack ... take on anderson varejao's expiring contract and play him with harrellson ... maybe swap dion waiters with caldwell-pope if the talent upgrade is obvious ...

any takers?