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Orlwillbeback wrote:giannis is a really rare talent. Bucks will probably give him away for an established borderline all star and a draft pick or something.

Why would they give him up?

need4detroit wrote:

Orlwillbeback wrote:giannis is a really rare talent. Bucks will probably give him away for an established borderline all star and a draft pick or something.

Why would they give him up?

because theyre the bucks

Kobblehead wrote:

Johnlac1 wrote:Yeah, he's 19 and obviously he can never improve his shooting stroke. Right. And of course, nobody ever gets stronger than when they're 19.

Saying he doesn't have unlimited potential is not saying that he can't have moderate and gradual improvement over time. Giannis has not flashed or displayed anything in the realm of shooting the basketball to put such lofty expectations that he'll be a hall of fame or even an all-star caliber offensive player.

Unique talent with a rare body type, but temper the crazy, please.

What did anyone say that was crazy? We said he has enormous potential. Is it possible he won't achieve what we hope he will? Sure. But if you've been a Bucks fan and seen most of his games, he almost always does something that makes your jaw drop whether he has a good game or a bad game. Sure, at this stage he won't have great stats much less great scoring nos. Remember, he was playing in a second tier Greek league last year where he started the season at the age of 17. We're just trying to project his present abilities with what he could be in a few years. Yes, he has to improve his shooting. But his potential on both ends of the floor is so great, we can't help but being excited about his future.

miltk wrote:

Rosque wrote:Seriously...what is his ceiling?

....another consonant....

Not smart comment at all. Not contributing to the thread. Please go away.

The handle, playmaking, and feel that he's shown at his combination of size + length + age + (lack of) experience, even if it's just glimpses, has me intrigued.

But articles like this make me tap the brakes a little and helps keep things in perspective:
http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=1090

rockmanslim wrote:The handle, playmaking, and feel that he's shown at his combination of size + length + age + (lack of) experience, even if it's just glimpses, has me intrigued.

But articles like this make me tap the brakes a little and helps keep things in perspective:
http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=1090

Lol, a SF not used in his team's offense doesn't score well in boxscore stat. Stun.

He is more of a Kirilenko/Batum hybrid more than Durant.

The perfect glue guy.

Sakuragi_ wrote:He is more of a Kirilenko/Batum hybrid more than Durant.

The perfect glue guy.

This is what I reasonably expect and would be absolutely ecstatic with. I think a 7' Iguodala/AK47 (in their primes) is a top 10-15 player.

What's exciting is that, while unlikely, there's a lot that could push his ceiling even higher. If he becomes a plus 3-point shooter, if he can play full-time ball-handler or the 2 on a regular basis, if he adds significant strength while maintaining his athleticism, if he adds a mid-range game or a post-game (he's flashed it)...that would be absolutely terrifying.

rockmanslim wrote:But articles like this make me tap the brakes a little and helps keep things in perspective:
http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=1090

This is the prime example when you (kinda) disregard advanced stats and just look how the player moves on the court, how he handles himself in the media, his work ethic, how he responds in various situation on and off the court. That's why I always thought that Davis the Unibrow would ultimately be better bball player than Lillar despite Lillard having better rookie season. He had better instincts and better feel for the game - something you can't learn. Of course Damien is my top 5 favorite active players but you gotta admit that Davis is more impressive than Lillard when you watch them play. Same with Giannis, you can see that instinct for the game, that rare feel. Dude was playing in second tier Greek division which is like mediocre Highschool team in USA but with more athletic players. He is a kid amongst the men and still impresses, or shows glimpses of brilliance. As the time passes by my opinion of Giannis changes...as of now his realistic ceiling is Iggy 2.0 while his top ceiling IS Portland Pippen.

Sakuragi_ wrote:He is more of a Kirilenko/Batum hybrid more than Durant.

The perfect glue guy.

Exactly. Anyone expecting Giannis to be a Top 3 SF like Durant/LeBron/George type, you're dreaming. However a 'do-it-all' SF like a Batum/AK47/Stevenson, definitely he could become one of those.

DusterBuster wrote:

Sakuragi_ wrote:He is more of a Kirilenko/Batum hybrid more than Durant.

The perfect glue guy.

Exactly. Anyone expecting Giannis to be a Top 3 SF like Durant/LeBron/George type, you're dreaming. However a 'do-it-all' SF like a Batum/AK47/Stevenson, definitely he could become one of those.

Did anyone expect george to be a top 3 in march 2011, lets give him 3 years before we know what he is


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DusterBuster wrote:

Sakuragi_ wrote:He is more of a Kirilenko/Batum hybrid more than Durant.

The perfect glue guy.

Exactly. Anyone expecting Giannis to be a Top 3 SF like Durant/LeBron/George type, you're dreaming. However a 'do-it-all' SF like a Batum/AK47/Stevenson, definitely he could become one of those.

it is not out of the question to expect giannis to become elite because he is a much better athlete and superior skills to Batum/AK47/Stevenson

Giannis should be handling the ball most of the time for the Bucks

giannis is almost on par with lebron as an athlete and definitely there with durant

As someone has seen every Giannis game, his basketball knowledge jumps out more to me than his athleticism really. That's why I think he will be great.

He doesn't have a ceiling because the league hasn't ever seen anyone like him. I have yet to find a comparison that I like even a little bit.

I can't believe this thread is 25 pages deep. Nate Wolters starts over him. I know we're talking about potential but for someone who is 19yrs 2 months old, he's not putting anywhere near the production that Durant, James, KG and all these other players were at the same age.

Here is the list of the bottom ten PERs for rookie teenagers:

Nikoloz Tskitishvili, 2002-03: 4.9 PER
Sebastian Telfair, 2004-05: 9.7 PER
Bismack Biyombo, 2011-12: 10.6 PER
Dajuan Wagner, 2002-03: 10.9 PER
J.R. Smith, 2004-05: 10.9 PER
Martell Webster, 2005-06: 11.6 PER
Giannis Antetokounmpo, 2013-14: 11.6 PER
Tony Parker, 2001-02: 11.7 PER
Marvin Williams, 2005-06: 12.2 PER
Jrue Holiday, 2009-10: 12.3 PER

One more note…In case you are curious, here are the top ten PERs from teenage rookies (With at least 1,000 minutes played):

Anthony Davis, 2012-13: 21.7 PER
Andrew Drummond, 2012-13: 21.6 PER
Kyrie Irving, 2011-12: 21.4 PER
LeBron James, 2003-04: 18.3 PER
Carmelo Anthony, 2003-04: 17.6 PER
Tracy McGrady, 1997-98: 17.4 PER
Dwight Howard, 2004-05: 17.2 PER
Cliff Robinson, 1979-80: 17.0 PER
Anthony Randolph, 2008-09: 16.9 PER
Thaddeus Young, 2007-08: 16.5 PER

dautjazz wrote:I can't believe this thread is 25 pages deep. Nate Wolters starts over him. I know we're talking about potential but for someone who is 19yrs 2 months old, he's not putting anywhere near the production that Durant, James, KG and all these other players were at the same age.

Here is the list of the bottom ten PERs for rookie teenagers:

Nikoloz Tskitishvili, 2002-03: 4.9 PER
Sebastian Telfair, 2004-05: 9.7 PER
Bismack Biyombo, 2011-12: 10.6 PER
Dajuan Wagner, 2002-03: 10.9 PER
J.R. Smith, 2004-05: 10.9 PER
Martell Webster, 2005-06: 11.6 PER
Giannis Antetokounmpo, 2013-14: 11.6 PER
Tony Parker, 2001-02: 11.7 PER
Marvin Williams, 2005-06: 12.2 PER
Jrue Holiday, 2009-10: 12.3 PER

One more note…In case you are curious, here are the top ten PERs from teenage rookies (With at least 1,000 minutes played):

Anthony Davis, 2012-13: 21.7 PER
Andrew Drummond, 2012-13: 21.6 PER
Kyrie Irving, 2011-12: 21.4 PER
LeBron James, 2003-04: 18.3 PER
Carmelo Anthony, 2003-04: 17.6 PER
Tracy McGrady, 1997-98: 17.4 PER
Dwight Howard, 2004-05: 17.2 PER
Cliff Robinson, 1979-80: 17.0 PER
Anthony Randolph, 2008-09: 16.9 PER
Thaddeus Young, 2007-08: 16.5 PER

Comparing PER for 18-19 year olds is beyond useless. Not to mention Giannis is debatably more raw than anyone on that list at that age, the kids still growing into his body for crying out loud. I thought Giannis would be in the d-league all year, the fact that he's contributing at all right now is nothing but a huge + for him.

You're not taking into account a lot of factors that need to be pointed out when discussing Giannis. Any flashes he shows this season is just gravy, and boy has he shown a lot of them.

Orlwillbeback wrote:giannis is almost on par with lebron as an athlete and definitely there with durant

Orlwillbeback wrote:

DusterBuster wrote:

Sakuragi_ wrote:He is more of a Kirilenko/Batum hybrid more than Durant.

The perfect glue guy.

Exactly. Anyone expecting Giannis to be a Top 3 SF like Durant/LeBron/George type, you're dreaming. However a 'do-it-all' SF like a Batum/AK47/Stevenson, definitely he could become one of those.

it is not out of the question to expect giannis to become elite because he is a much better athlete and superior skills to Batum/AK47/Stevenson

Giannis should be handling the ball most of the time for the Bucks

I hope someone saves this thread for a couple years down the line. Some people are going to look really REALLY silly.

The fact he gets mentioned in the same breath with LeBron and Durant right now is absolutely bonkers.

It is nice to see uncle cliffy in that data set.... Very underrated basketball player. A big who can rebound, defend and make an outside to potential three point shot is an exceptionally rare skill set. I just got sheed and Horry as all nba level big defenders who can rebound and shoot the three.

Blame Rasho wrote:It is nice to see uncle cliffy in that data set.... Very underrated basketball player. A big who can rebound, defend and make an outside to potential three point shot is an exceptionally rare skill set. I just got sheed and Horry as all nba level big defenders who can rebound and shoot the three.

That's a different Cliff Robinson listed above. Also, Uncle Cliffy was a pretty terrible rebounder.

Has anyone noticed his ridiculously high free throw rate? Gets to the line a huge amount (3.9 FTA per 36 mins) considering how few shots he gets from the field (8.2 FGA per 36 mins). Good sign that he can draw contact and get calls despite such a limited/raw offensive skillset.