ATL: Super Bowl (Seahawks vs. Patriots)

Ron Swanson · Post #361 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:12 pm

I'm glad that this postseason really exposed Russell for what he is: A solid QB who can manage a dominant defense and run game, but no where near the "young Joe Montana" that all the media hyperbole wants to paint him as going forward.

5 INT's in his last two playoff games, including, like Sidney said earlier, probably the costliest INT in NFL history. Yeah, he sure is "elite" and "clutch" and all those things. :roll:

Hopefully, like the annoying Kaepernick hype the last few years, people wake up and realize that their defense and running game are what carries these guys.

Post #362 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:16 pm

MrPerfect1 wrote:SEA saved BB from being roundly criticized for going full McCarthy and not using a TO when SEA reached the goal line. There is almost no plausible reason to let SEA run down the clock. The only explanation that would make sense would be if BB still SEA's signals and knew it was a called Pass play and did not want to call TO to give them time to change their mind.

I think Belichick thought they would score on second down and figured the TO was worth more than the 8-10 seconds they lost before that ball was snapped. They only had two remaining at that point and it's probably easier to put together a drive with two TOs and 28 seconds left than to do so with one TO and 40 seconds left.

That's the only possible explanation I can come up with, because I was also shocked he wasn't using his TOs there.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #363 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:17 pm

Post #364 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:17 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:

The thrill of victory...and the AGONY of defeat.

Post #365 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:23 pm

FAH1223 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/562122719223771136[/tweet]

Blame James Starks and Earl Thomas..

Silly Rachel, only BASEBALL players are allowed to have Tommy John surgery.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #366 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:29 pm

raysbookclub · Post #367 » by **raysbookclub** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:29 pm

MrPerfect1 wrote:4)SEA fans hate Bevell (worst call ever) but they overall vastly underrate him. Their offense is basically a soso offensive line, awful wr's, and a qb who mainly can just run or run around and wait for a coverage to break down and a guy can get wide open, + a very good rb. They are more effective on offense than they should be based on their players.

Yep. I understand the fans blaming Bevell for that play call, but he's done an incredible job, helping get that team to 2 Super Bowls making an offense work that consists of Lynch and basically a bunch of garbage plays.

raysbookclub · Post #368 » by **raysbookclub** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:38 pm

sidney lanier wrote:Wilson is an excellent running quarterback, but he's not an excellent quarterback. He's a lot closer in ability to Vince Evans than he is to the top dozen or so pocket passers now playing. I hope they pay him a ton, and I hope he keeps throwing those downfield moon balls, because they aren't going to land in the laps of prone receivers every time.

Yeah, they'll pay him a lot, probably well north of Kaepernick. I guess it was reported a few weeks ago they were going to make him top paid QB?

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Vince Evans, that's interesting. I never saw him play when he was in his 20s, only at the end of his career, I think on the Raiders? The guy that reminds me of Wilson is actually Doug Flutie. Short, runs around and creates time, knack for flukey big plays. I don't see much of a difference in the Seahawks over the last few years if you replace Wilson with a circa 1986 Flutie.

midranger · Post #369 » by **midranger** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:41 pm

There is a level of hate and delusion surrounding Russell Wilson on this board that I don't know if I'll ever understand.

He's clearly one of the best QBs in the league. Hell, two weeks ago, our very own best QB ever couldn't turn a first down or red zone conversion to save his life despite elite receiving threats, elite O line , and a pro bowl RB. Meanwhile Russell threw down 21 straight points like lightning to win the game despite having no one to throw to that would crack our 3 deep.

I just don't get where this idea that he's a bad player and bad person comes from. Just sour grapes from beating our ass so many time in a row, IMO.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #370 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:42 pm

Flutie has always come to mind for me too. I think Wilson is a little better (and bigger?), though.

Kerb Hohl · Post #371 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:44 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:SEA saved BB from being roundly criticized for going full McCarthy and not using a TO when SEA reached the goal line. There is almost no plausible reason to let SEA run down the clock. The only explanation that would make sense would be if BB still SEA's signals and knew it was a called Pass play and did not want to call TO to give them time to change their mind.

I think Belichick thought they would score on second down and figured the TO was worth more than the 8-10 seconds they lost before that ball was snapped. They only had two remaining at that point and it's probably easier to put together a drive with two TOs and 28 seconds left than to do so with one TO and 40 seconds left.

That's the only possible explanation I can come up with, because I was also shocked he wasn't using his TOs there.

They lost 30-40 seconds. I was kinda yelling at the TV. Against the Giants in '11 he apparently was calling timeouts, but he was only up by 2 and wanted to let them score so the Giants didn't stall for a FG.

I think he should have called the timeout. I think after 1st down the play ended around a minute and they snapped it under 30 seconds.

Really a tough situation no matter what there. Since they only needed to go get a FG it's not terrible to save the timeout. Thing is, you're running out of time to even need timeouts there. Once you get under 20 seconds it's hard to even use 2 timeouts.

jakecronus8 · Post #372 » by **jakecronus8** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:48 pm

In defense of Russell, he has maybe one wid receiver and one tight end that would even make the Packers final 53.

Kerb Hohl · Post #373 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:50 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Imagine Wilson on a team without a good defense. People's perception of him would be completely different.

I think Schneider knows that, so I'm really curious to see how he handles Wilson's extension.

He'll get it. We've seen it with Kaepernick, Flacco, etc. that getting to or winning a Super Bowl locks that thing in unless it is plainly obvious that you aren't that good.

Hell, even Cutler. Any GM or coach is concerned with his own job. Would you rather roll Jay Cutler out there with an incredibly overpaid contract or try with the next Tom Savage, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum combo to see if you can find a QB and get fired? You always pay the overbloated contract and float your franchise along further to keep your job (not saying Wilson is that bad).

In the Bears' case, they actually ended up getting fired for keeping Cutler but the majority of the time, you can float along another 9-7 or 10-6 year and keep your job. Trestman/Emery both probably knew their time was running short and to see if they could piece together one more lucky year with Cutler just putting up stats where they could fluke a run in the playoffs.

Newz · Post #374 » by **Newz** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:51 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:In defense of Russell, he has maybe one wid receiver and one tight end that would even make the Packers final 53.

Yeah. I don't think Wilson is on the Rodgers or Brady level of QB. But it's hard to make a definitive judgement on him when his receiving options are so bad. Wilson is still a pretty damn good player. Definitely a 'franchise quarterback'.

I will say that it's tough to win when you are paying Rodgers $20+ million though. Paying Wilson that much is going to have a massive impact on that team.

Kerb Hohl · Post #375 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 3:55 pm

In the case of that Bevell, "WR should have gotten to the ball" quote: He was absolutely right. WR probably didn't know there was a DB knifing in, but he could have gotten in front of it better. Problem is, the playcall and the throw (to the right spot, though), are more pressing issues on that play.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #376 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:11 pm

Seattle got too cute and should just have just let Lynch hammer that reeling defense. What I don't get is if you are going to pass there why not line up in goalline and run play action where you roll Wilson out and give him a pass run option and tell him to throw it away if the receiver isn't wide open??? You simply CANT run a risky slant play.

Ron Swanson · Post #377 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:11 pm

I don't think you'll find one person on here who thinks Russell Wilson is a "bad" QB. More so that he is tremendously overrated due to the team success he's been a part of in his brief career.

It's what's so annoying about the media and casual fans' tendency to attribute a team's W/L record to the QB. Tony Romo, for example, being an MVP candidate this year when his team goes 12-4, despite guys like DeMarco Murray and Dez Bryant being just as if not bigger reasons for their success.

I think you could slide Wilson into that Romo, Newton, Flacco, Rivers range of QBs in the top 7-15. It's when people try and prop him up there with the Bradys, Rodgers, and Andrew Lucks where I take issue with. He's not in that elite category, at least not yet.

RRyder823 · Post #378 » by **RRyder823** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:31 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I don't think you'll find one person on here who thinks Russell Wilson is a "bad" QB. More so that he is tremendously overrated due to the team success he's been a part of in his brief career.

It's what's so annoying about the media and casual fans' tendency to attribute a team's W/L record to the QB. Tony Romo, for example, being an MVP candidate this year when his team goes 12-4, despite guys like DeMarco Murray and Dez Bryant being just as if not bigger reasons for their success.

I think you could slide Wilson into that Romo, Newton, Flacco, Rivers range of QBs in the top 7-15. It's when people try and prop him up there with the Bradys, Rodgers, and Andrew Lucks where I take issue with. He's not in that elite category, at least not yet.

Right. People seem to take offense when u say a guy isnt elite but Wilson is what he is.... a 2nd-3rd teir QB that is capable of winning with great peices around him. No one was saying hes bad just that hes not going to be good enough to carry the offense which is what he'll have to do after he gets his 100+ million.

Fyi right now I got 2 elite QBs in the league. Rodgers n Brady. They're just in class by themselves. Peyton fell out of the list at the end of the year n Lucks knocking on the door to join them but just isnt quite there yet but he is close..

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #379 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:35 pm

If I were Schneider I'd seriously consider not re-signing Wilson and making a commitment to keeping that defense together. I know that would be shocking and completely unheard of, but I think it could be a genius outside the box idea to keeping their window open.

Not saying I'd do it, but I'd consider it.

sidney lanier · Post #380 » by **sidney lanier** » Mon Feb 2, 2015 4:40 pm

books wrote:
Vince Evans, that's interesting. I never saw him play when he was in his 20s, only at the end of his career, I think on the Raiders? The guy that reminds me of Wilson is actually Doug Flutie. Short, runs around and creates time, knack for flukey big plays. I don't see much of a difference in the Seahawks over the last few years if you replace Wilson with a circa 1986 Flutie.

I see the Flutie, and because I'm old and gray, I also see Tarkenton in the way Wilson scrambles. They're all little guys who excelled at extending plays. Vince Evans was bigger, faster and more athletic and probably had a better arm than Wilson does, but he also suffered from the same lapses in accuracy and judgment that plague Wilson. Neither Evans nor Wilson was close to Flutie or Tarkenton in pure passing skill and judgment IMO.

Pay the man Cutler money please!

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