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lilfishi22 wrote:Bogyo wrote:Capela is overrated. D'antoni system guy with Harden or CP throwing him passes. I would not overpay that dude.
Yeah not keen to buy high.
bwgood77 wrote:DarkHawk wrote:1UPZ wrote:If suns get a top 4 pick.. I think they should aim for Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, Porter, Young... In that order.
Then sign Jeremy Lin and maybe trade for Delly from Bucks perhaps by convincing them to trade Maker and suns Accepting Delly in return. Suns can use that physical PG that bothers other PHD defensively.
Did Bamba fall out of favor? I haven't followed him at all but remember people saying he's a top 5 guy in this draft.
Somewhat, but I guess it depends on what you go by. The Stepien, which I find the most useful has him in the 4th tier, at 8th overall, and that is with 5 analysts ranking them and they kind of take an avg of their individual rankings of where the guys land. It seems tankathon has him at 6th now, but they kind of have rankings mixed with needs, and currently the Bulls are currently 6th, so they give him to the Bulls...but sometimes Bagley is higher and Bamba goes 7th. Tankathon has most teams taking Doncic 1st overall in sims but they have us and the Bulls taking Ayton 1st, based on them thinking we both need centers...if we miss him they always give us Young. Not sure who comes up with those rankings though.
Givony talked about Bamba being possibly top 3 the other day, or at least said he is intriguing if like Gobert, but I don't know if I trust him much.
Cole Zwicker, the main writer for The Stepien also said, on a podcast that NBA personnel love Bagley and they don't see him dropping 3, even though they have him in tier 4 in their rankings at 6 overall.
For their tiers and rankings, go here.. https://www.thestepien.com/2018-draft-rankings/
It also gives other info like offensive and defensive roles and high end/low end (or projected ceiling and floor roles)...their stuff is good with a lot of good write ups.
gaspar wrote:BobbieL wrote:gaspar wrote:Dinwiddie is not worth a 1st round pick. That's crazy talk.
Suns have the youngest team in the league... they do not need to get younger.
Who on the list would you prefer from 15 down to Spencer Dinwiddie ? I looked - cannot find anybody. I don't want to waste picks like Sarver did for cash but if this team is going to compete next year, the year after - they need to get better mature players.
Maybe the Heat pick is too much but the pick from the Bucks - to me - isn't. And the Suns aren't getting it this year as it is
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
Sorry buddy, but that's a dumb argument. The Lakers pick we traded for Knight didn't convey for 4 years and look what happened. The Bucks aren't exactly a model NBA franchise. They don't really have a plan. Things can change really quick in the NBA. Giannis could get injured or demand a trade... Why the rush to trade that pick? To get Spencer **** Dinwiddie?
Dinwiddie is the PJ Tucker of point guards. He's a backup masquerading as a starter on a bad team. He's a career 31% 3-point shooter who had a hot start this season and is shooting worse and worse with every month (Oct - 46%, Nov - 36%, Dec - 33%, Jan - 28%, Feb - 25%). He's just a guy. If we trade for him, in a couple months we will be in the same spot - looking for a starting caliber PG. Except we will have less assets because we traded some of them for Dinwiddie.
Kerrsed wrote:I forgot they moved the deadline up.
Im so used to the All-star game being where everyones at, rubbing elbows, conversing with one another and big trades breaking.
Mulhollanddrive wrote:LeBron to Houston in FA is the obvious choice.
His buddies Paul and Harden would be the best guard combo he's ever had.
lilfishi22 wrote:This is probably so left of field that it's almost OT but what's the feeling about John Wall and the Wiz situation? His team mates feel they are better without him, they are leading the league in assist rate since he's gone down with surgery and he's are actually winning. He's always been one of my favourite PG's even bfore he was drafted and always dreamed of him playing for the Suns.
Maybe not at this point but perhaps in the offseason but would the Wiz even entertain a trade?
What would it cost?
Is he over paid?
Do you even want him?
NavLDO wrote:Spoiler:
I like his rankings, but think he get's TOO specific up top with his 'Tiers'...To me, that's like saying. Lebron is Tier 1, Durant is Tier 2, Curry and Westbrook are Tier 3, so on and so forth (I'm just using names...don't quote me on thinking that I think Westbrook is = to Curry, or Durant is not as good as Lebron, or whatever). He has Trae Young as Tier 2...what Tier was Trae Young 3 months ago?? He didn't all of a sudden pass Porter Jr., Bagley, Ayton, and Bamba by like they were standing still. A lot of questions still remain about Young's athleticism for the NBA; that's not a clear-cut Tier-by-myself player, IMO.
But other than that, I like how he looks at talent more than what 'class' the player is in...meaning Mikal Bridges being 7th even though he's a Junior. These players should be drafted on merit, as well, nit just the extra 2 years 'upside' a team MIGHT get out of them...as we are seeing now with Bender and Chriss. Chriss should've stayed for another 2 years...no doubt in my mind.
But anyway, if the site was a more finished product, I'd appreciate it more, but I do like that it's a bit different than the rest, and seemingly...seemingly...more basketball-knowledgeable than some of the others. I don't know for sure.
lilfishi22 wrote:This is probably so left of field that it's almost OT but what's the feeling about John Wall and the Wiz situation? His team mates feel they are better without him, they are leading the league in assist rate since he's gone down with surgery and he's are actually winning. He's always been one of my favourite PG's even bfore he was drafted and always dreamed of him playing for the Suns.
Maybe not at this point but perhaps in the offseason but would the Wiz even entertain a trade?
What would it cost?
Is he over paid?
Do you even want him?
1UPZ wrote:Dinwiddie is fine But I think he can be had for less than a first round pick. Maybe a pick 25 and later.
lilfishi22 wrote:This is probably so left of field that it's almost OT but what's the feeling about John Wall and the Wiz situation? His team mates feel they are better without him, they are leading the league in assist rate since he's gone down with surgery and he's are actually winning. He's always been one of my favourite PG's even bfore he was drafted and always dreamed of him playing for the Suns.
Maybe not at this point but perhaps in the offseason but would the Wiz even entertain a trade?
What would it cost?
Is he over paid?
Do you even want him?
matt131 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:This is probably so left of field that it's almost OT but what's the feeling about John Wall and the Wiz situation? His team mates feel they are better without him, they are leading the league in assist rate since he's gone down with surgery and he's are actually winning. He's always been one of my favourite PG's even bfore he was drafted and always dreamed of him playing for the Suns.
Maybe not at this point but perhaps in the offseason but would the Wiz even entertain a trade?
What would it cost?
Is he over paid?
Do you even want him?
I had been thinking about him too. Huge contract and multiple knee surgeries though. I literally just wrote out what our starting lineup would look like with him in it and was stoked but then realized I didn't trade any of our guys to get him haha.
lilfishi22 wrote:1UPZ wrote:Dinwiddie is fine But I think he can be had for less than a first round pick. Maybe a pick 25 and later.
The Miami pick is sitting at 20 right now. Would you go top 18 protected?
lilfishi22 wrote:matt131 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:This is probably so left of field that it's almost OT but what's the feeling about John Wall and the Wiz situation? His team mates feel they are better without him, they are leading the league in assist rate since he's gone down with surgery and he's are actually winning. He's always been one of my favourite PG's even bfore he was drafted and always dreamed of him playing for the Suns.
Maybe not at this point but perhaps in the offseason but would the Wiz even entertain a trade?
What would it cost?
Is he over paid?
Do you even want him?
I had been thinking about him too. Huge contract and multiple knee surgeries though. I literally just wrote out what our starting lineup would look like with him in it and was stoked but then realized I didn't trade any of our guys to get him haha.
Yeah just throwing ideas in the air. On second thought, I don't think I want Wall at 32 being paid almost $47m
bwgood77 wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:This is probably so left of field that it's almost OT but what's the feeling about John Wall and the Wiz situation? His team mates feel they are better without him, they are leading the league in assist rate since he's gone down with surgery and he's are actually winning. He's always been one of my favourite PG's even bfore he was drafted and always dreamed of him playing for the Suns.
Maybe not at this point but perhaps in the offseason but would the Wiz even entertain a trade?
What would it cost?
Is he over paid?
Do you even want him?
I haven't followed closely enough. I always kind of liked him, but he does make $207 million (including this year) through 2023, so I think I'd rather find a cheaper way to go for now...I do imagine if they want to move on from him though they may not get a great package back (like with Blake) considering how everyone has bad contracts and need to get rid of them and want to hang onto picks, etc.
If we got a big in the draft and didn't find a good PG later or in FA though and they felt they were just as good or better without him and just wanted out of the big deal, next year we could send them two expirings in Dudley and Chandler plus one that expired the following year in Knight to match contracts, along with a first or two. I don't think they'd need a wing with Beal, Oubre and Porter. They might want a PF though.
This would only be if we felt this was the best use of our cap space and if we had already signed the extension so didn't have much cap space in 19 and the only way to get a star was to do something like this.
I still hope to find our star in the draft and that the ones we have drafted the last two years become really good players by the time they are Warren's age when he turned it up a notch...or maybe sooner.