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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#361 » by SlimShady83 » Sat Apr 7, 2018 11:48 pm

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I think Bron is on the radar as is PG. Bringing in those 2 with our current crew doesn't create a balanced team. We lack shooting other than Kuzma and if we re-sign Randle he's on the bench.


Let's say we some how get both PG and Lebron - from what I've been reading over n over we can't afford The beast as well :(

But let's say we can afford him and the 2 stars - I doubt Randle would be on the bench

C) Randle
PF)Bron
SF) BI
SG) PG
PG Lonzo

Bench: Kuz, Hart, Zubac, Caruso and who ever else

But that line up isn't too bad IMO - but still don't want bron, that's just my OP
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#362 » by Landsberger » Sun Apr 8, 2018 3:59 am

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I think Bron is on the radar as is PG. Bringing in those 2 with our current crew doesn't create a balanced team. We lack shooting other than Kuzma and if we re-sign Randle he's on the bench.


Let's say we some how get both PG and Lebron - from what I've been reading over n over we can't afford The beast as well :(

But let's say we can afford him and the 2 stars - I doubt Randle would be on the bench

C) Randle
PF)Bron
SF) BI
SG) PG
PG Lonzo

Bench: Kuz, Hart, Zubac, Caruso and who ever else

But that line up isn't too bad IMO - but still don't want bron, that's just my OP


If you read it again I indicated that if we re-sign Randle Kuzma would be on the bench. Randle at center would be less than stellar over a whole season. He can't guard bigs in the post. He's a PF and so is Bron most likely at this point.
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Re: 2018-2019 Roster speculation 

Post#363 » by Landsberger » Sun Apr 8, 2018 4:10 am

I actually like the grow slow options however I just don't think Magic cleared cap space to do that. Other than Ball and Kuzma these are not his picks. If they can get the guy they really want (which I think is Bron) I think the dominos will fall and we'll see a much different squad next year. If Bron goes elsewhere I could see us waiting until next summer to do the big deals. Either way I think we will see big deals over organic growth. Just adding PG and keeping the group together doesn't get us in the second round IMHO. We'd be a bubble team at best. They want instant contention is my thought.
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#364 » by SlimShady83 » Sun Apr 8, 2018 5:33 am

Nah I didn't mean I read your post over n over lol - I mean another

But Randle would be the starting C ... I recon our C's next year will be Randle/Zubac/Channing/Bryant
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#365 » by LAKESHOW » Sun Apr 8, 2018 6:21 am

" be opportunistic in trades.
For example, Houston got their main stars Harden and Paul when their former teams had to give them up. They gave up only marginal talent (Lamb, Kevin Martin, Beverley, Dekker, Harrell) because they had been smart with their drafting."

I'm on record, just sign PG. But going by this scenario with Houston, here's cutthroat avenue, sign Clint Capella. What does that do? That weakens them, and adds to us. No, I don't want to do that, but just using your scenario. If I read it correctly.
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#366 » by biscuittoman » Sun Apr 8, 2018 9:56 am

IMO, Magic has only one thing in his mind: Trading Deng. If we trade him, that opens up so many possibilities for the team not only this year but also next year even if we come up empty on Max market this summer.

Of course the $36m question is: Can we trade Deng without absorbing any contract?

I would say, yes. It would cost us a future 1st round pick and Cavs' pick this year. Would it be worth it? Totally. I really don't pay too much attention to 1st round picks in future if our trajectory is upwards from now on. We scored a steal in Kuzma who turned out to be Top 3 player from 2017/18 rookie class. What do we have to lose by trading a 1st round pick if we can unload Deng's salary? Nothing really.

Scenario 1 (Paul George)
- Sign Paul George to 4 year/$130m.
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 2 (no Paul George)
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign KCP to 1 year/$18m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 1 and Scenario has the difference of PG/KCP for 18-19 season. But in 2019 Free Agency, it makes quite a bit of a difference. In Scenario 1, we would have close to $30m in cap space in 2019 summer to go after another good-to-great player. In Scenario 2, we would have cap space to sign two-max players with 7-9 year experience. IMO both of these scenarios are equally good. In the Scenario 2, another (highly unrealistic) thing to note is that if we could get Kawhi Leonard providing he doesn't sign any extension, we could maybe go after Anthony Davis in 2019/20 via trade by offering Randle, and Ingram or Kuzma. Either way, the key is to trade Deng.
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#367 » by Landsberger » Sun Apr 8, 2018 4:20 pm

biscuittoman wrote:IMO, Magic has only one thing in his mind: Trading Deng. If we trade him, that opens up so many possibilities for the team not only this year but also next year even if we come up empty on Max market this summer.

Of course the $36m question is: Can we trade Deng without absorbing any contract?

I would say, yes. It would cost us a future 1st round pick and Cavs' pick this year. Would it be worth it? Totally. I really don't pay too much attention to 1st round picks in future if our trajectory is upwards from now on. We scored a steal in Kuzma who turned out to be Top 3 player from 2017/18 rookie class. What do we have to lose by trading a 1st round pick if we can unload Deng's salary? Nothing really.

Scenario 1 (Paul George)
- Sign Paul George to 4 year/$130m.
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 2 (no Paul George)
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign KCP to 1 year/$18m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 1 and Scenario has the difference of PG/KCP for 18-19 season. But in 2019 Free Agency, it makes quite a bit of a difference. In Scenario 1, we would have close to $30m in cap space in 2019 summer to go after another good-to-great player. In Scenario 2, we would have cap space to sign two-max players with 7-9 year experience. IMO both of these scenarios are equally good. In the Scenario 2, another (highly unrealistic) thing to note is that if we could get Kawhi Leonard providing he doesn't sign any extension, we could maybe go after Anthony Davis in 2019/20 via trade by offering Randle, and Ingram or Kuzma. Either way, the key is to trade Deng.



I stopped after "Sign Lopez". This guy is not going to be a key piece of any contender. Defense and rebounding are what we need from that position and those are the things he doesn't do. A novelty center who can hit a few 3's isn't what we need.

To rid ourselves of Deng it will take one of the youngsters. If you re-sign Randle then it's most likely Kuzma who's out. No one is taking him on for a low first round pick alone. We'd have to take some salary back and send out value to get that done. My guess is that we tried to trade Randle at the deadline with Deng and couldn't do it.
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#368 » by One Love » Sun Apr 8, 2018 5:36 pm

We aren’t dumping Deng for a late 1st fellas... Offseason success is simple... Sign PG, period... Everything else is gravy... We have tried to sign a star for 4 years & missed “every” year... I am tired of hearing this PG & LBJ drama... Get PG, period... Ball, PG, BI, Kuzz & C would get us a 10 plus wins (5 more wins)... Get another 5-10 wins with the development of Ball, BI, Kuzz & Hart seems realistic... In terms of C, I like Capella & Noel for defense but Monroe intrigues me (great passer) & Len (Suns) could break out with us & is a great value...

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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#369 » by larry14r » Sun Apr 8, 2018 6:26 pm

Landsberger wrote:
biscuittoman wrote:IMO, Magic has only one thing in his mind: Trading Deng. If we trade him, that opens up so many possibilities for the team not only this year but also next year even if we come up empty on Max market this summer.

Of course the $36m question is: Can we trade Deng without absorbing any contract?

I would say, yes. It would cost us a future 1st round pick and Cavs' pick this year. Would it be worth it? Totally. I really don't pay too much attention to 1st round picks in future if our trajectory is upwards from now on. We scored a steal in Kuzma who turned out to be Top 3 player from 2017/18 rookie class. What do we have to lose by trading a 1st round pick if we can unload Deng's salary? Nothing really.

Scenario 1 (Paul George)
- Sign Paul George to 4 year/$130m.
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 2 (no Paul George)
- Re-sign Brook Lopez to 1 year/$15m.
- Re-sign KCP to 1 year/$18m.
- Re-sign Channing Frye to 1 year/$5m.
- Re-sign Julius Randle to 4 year/$85m.
- Re-sign Isaiah Thomas to 1 year/$25m.

Scenario 1 and Scenario has the difference of PG/KCP for 18-19 season. But in 2019 Free Agency, it makes quite a bit of a difference. In Scenario 1, we would have close to $30m in cap space in 2019 summer to go after another good-to-great player. In Scenario 2, we would have cap space to sign two-max players with 7-9 year experience. IMO both of these scenarios are equally good. In the Scenario 2, another (highly unrealistic) thing to note is that if we could get Kawhi Leonard providing he doesn't sign any extension, we could maybe go after Anthony Davis in 2019/20 via trade by offering Randle, and Ingram or Kuzma. Either way, the key is to trade Deng.



I stopped after "Sign Lopez". This guy is not going to be a key piece of any contender. Defense and rebounding are what we need from that position and those are the things he doesn't do. A novelty center who can hit a few 3's isn't what we need.

To rid ourselves of Deng it will take one of the youngsters. If you re-sign Randle then it's most likely Kuzma who's out. No one is taking him on for a low first round pick alone. We'd have to take some salary back and send out value to get that done. My guess is that we tried to trade Randle at the deadline with Deng and couldn't do it.


Then what's your idea smart guy?
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#370 » by Vae Victus » Sun Apr 8, 2018 8:48 pm

If we strike out again on signing major FAs like LBJ/PG13, we're honestly better off doing the Hinkie and try to get assets whoring out our cap space while setting up for the Kawhi chase.

Like if LBJ is hardcore dissing us and hellbent on joining HOU to form a superteam with CP3/Harden, then i'd try to get involved and absorb Eric Gordon (cuz CLE wants NO salary coming back their way) and demand a 1st round pick for the privilege of eating that deal (2 years 27.5mil). Basically HOU needs to be paying out future 1st rounders like candy if they want the King, to both CLE and teams eating the contracts of Gordon, Tucker, Nene, etc. We can take Tucker too (2 year 16mil), but i'd want a 2nd as well.

Then if PG13 resigns for OKC (cuz he wants all the money he can get) thus putting OKC is in ULTRA UBER CAP HELL. They're gonna wanna dump Melo's albatross year to greatly lighten their tax burden, then i'd try to do a Deng + 2nd + cash for Melo straight up deal. Deng will make like 9ish mil less a year so the lux tax hit they take will lessen greatly, and he'll transition to stretch 4 while PG13 goes to his natural 3 spot. Cash will help lessen the disparity in their total contracts and 2nd to make it more fair value wise. Regardless both teams get something they want, expiring contract and massively less tax burden. We can then buy out Melo if he's willing to take a sizeable discount, so he can go ring chase. No point keeping him since we're already set at SF/PF and he's a cancer.

Make a sizable offer sheet to Capella as a major **** YOU, to HOU, if they match then go after secondary targets like Noel. If BroLo can be brought back on the cheap, i'd explore that option too. If we retain BroLo for cheap, then it makes sense to retain Randle as we have a stretch 5 to give Randle the paint. If we get a more typical Noel like C, that VASTLY reduces Randle's impact/value IMHO. Regardless, teams have to know, they either throw Randle the mega max or we match, so there's a VERY good chance no team will offer Randle an offer sheet since it'll be a waste of time and he'll go the way of Noel last year, where the cap market dries up and DAL says, sign the QO plz, extension pulled.

Then with whatever is left of our cap we sign bargain deals, that can be tradeable in teh future. We dont overpay and we can patiently wait out the market and let others waste it. IT for a 1 year prove it deal at like 6mil.

Melo bought out for say 20 mil, so we save like 8ish mil, then he tries to go for a full MLE from a contender

C - Noel (1 year 10 mil), Zubac, Bryant
PF- Kuzma, Randle (could be anywhere from 4 years 76 mil to the Qualifying Offer)
SF- Ingram, Tucker
SG- Gordon, Bradley/KCP? (1 year 10-12mil)
PG- Lonzo, IT (6 mil)

Still have 14-16 mil in cap leftover, while holding onto Randle 12.5mil caphold RFA status. Will have 4.3m room exception after cap is filled. Only major thing that will throw a wrench in our cap space plans is if some team goes YOLO (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and throws Randle a max offer sheet full of poison pills early in FA, in which case we have to decline.

2018 CLE 1st #26
2019 HOU 1st #30 (if they get LBJ its #30 pick)
2019 HOU 2nd #60 ---> send to OKC in Melo trade

Draft wings with our picks, pray 1 one of em goes Kuzma for us

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=4101008655aca7e61ae12f570358750
Cap situation is very clean for 2019

I hope Lin gets traded and stretched, and sign him up to be a backup combo reclamation project, i wouldnt want to play Gordon 28 mins no matter what due to his past injury history. Need 2 way players who can help Lonzo and be a pressure release from being the only facilitator on the floor, KCP for example wasnt a good facilitator and good teams who blitz Lonzo can kill our offensive flow. However if we can get KCP or Avery Bradley for a 1 year 10ish mil deal, and assuming we cant find more teams willing to give up 1st round picks + expiring contracts for cap space, isnt a bad option. Gordon is used to coming off the bench.

Doing all this basically converts Deng's **** cap hit split into 2 useable/tradeable players in Gordon/Tucker who all expire at the same time, while keeping all of our 2019 cap flexibility for more shots at future superstar FAs. Gordon and Tucker also can be spun off for more future assets if they play well, so we can get expiring + 1st from a contender, for example, and giving us even more 2019 cap space. Also, they can be salary filler for a potential Kawhi trade. Imagine if Kawhi is hellbent on getting out of SA, we can offer a deal like Gordon, Tucker or Randle (assuming he's on the QO) + picks. This will be attractive to Spurs if no one is offering up a high lotto pick and if Gordon/Randle or Tucker all play well next season meaning they can be spun for more assets. In Randle's case he'd take over as their starting PF of the future.

Or we can wait for the next superstar to get cranky and want out and again, we got plenty of useable expirings to bundle together to make a deal. Deng is just so putridly useless, that only another toxic deal like Melo is the only one i can think of that we can swap for without giving up a bunch of picks.
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#371 » by biscuittoman » Mon Apr 9, 2018 8:35 am

^ Good discussion. I don't agree with lot of them, but I had fun reading it.
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#372 » by Ugly0598 » Mon Apr 9, 2018 10:07 am

I think the Lakers need to bring back Brook Lopez. And luckily his 0-10 bad shooting night might lower his value just a tiny bit lol.
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#373 » by LAKESHOW » Mon Apr 9, 2018 3:10 pm

Vae Victus wrote:

Make a sizable offer sheet to Capella as a major **** YOU, to HOU,

I'm startin to like this idea more and more. The reason being, who is our chief competitor to a title? Right now you have to say the #1 seed!(OK warriors too,.but for now Hou) And if we throw major offer to capella, THEY MUST MATCH IT! That will severely put the clamps on their attenpts to expand, and F' em up. I like this idea.
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Post#374 » by SlimShady83 » Mon Apr 9, 2018 7:55 pm

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:I think the Lakers need to bring back Brook Lopez. And luckily his 0-10 bad shooting night might lower his value just a tiny bit lol.


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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#375 » by Ugly0598 » Mon Apr 9, 2018 7:56 pm

EZ GG LOSER wrote:
UtahJazzFan88 wrote:I think the Lakers need to bring back Brook Lopez. And luckily his 0-10 bad shooting night might lower his value just a tiny bit lol.


Nooooooooo!


I just do not understand why a lot of Lakers fans want Nerlens Noel. Brook Lopez is a much better option.
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#376 » by SlimShady83 » Mon Apr 9, 2018 8:01 pm

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:
EZ GG LOSER wrote:
UtahJazzFan88 wrote:I think the Lakers need to bring back Brook Lopez. And luckily his 0-10 bad shooting night might lower his value just a tiny bit lol.


Nooooooooo!


I just do not understand why a lot of Lakers fans want Nerlens Noel. Brook Lopez is a much better option.


I don't want Noel - but then again don't know much about him - I just dont' want Lolpez

Only way I'd want him back, is if we again strike out in FA and/or we can't get a decent center and/or Randle leaves due to lakers not paying him. Lolpez is too inconsistent - but if he was willing to play less and less behind the 3 point line and more and more inside then, I might consider it - he is beast inside the 3 point line, but unfortunately he lives on the 3 pint line :( + you all keep complaing about rebounds, we need a front court who can rebound :)
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Re: 2018-2019 Off Season thread 

Post#377 » by evilpimp972 » Mon Apr 9, 2018 10:00 pm

Lmao at Noel, dude isnt better than Brook at this point, plus he's injury prone.
He's not a valuable piece to a contender(see, I can do this too)
No contender was even interested lol
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#378 » by zuju » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:15 am

EZ GG LOSER wrote:
UtahJazzFan88 wrote:
EZ GG LOSER wrote:
Nooooooooo!


I just do not understand why a lot of Lakers fans want Nerlens Noel. Brook Lopez is a much better option.


I don't want Noel - but then again don't know much about him - I just dont' want Lolpez

Only way I'd want him back, is if we again strike out in FA and/or we can't get a decent center and/or Randle leaves due to lakers not paying him. Lolpez is too inconsistent - but if he was willing to play less and less behind the 3 point line and more and more inside then, I might consider it - he is beast inside the 3 point line, but unfortunately he lives on the 3 pint line :( + you all keep complaing about rebounds, we need a front court who can rebound :)


Back then, people here asked for a stretch 5
Now, we get one who can also play inside and people are complaining for his plays outside the arc and asks for a rim protector who could not score on his own by any means eg d jordan & noel
Brook is only implementing what Luke sets in order to give room for randle to work in the paint
Brook still attack inside as well depending on the situation
We are a good rebounding team, I would care less for this part
Ultimately, which centre who is available on the market is better than brook who provides outside shooting, inside attack and decent defence ?

Well, I would take a look at nirkic as well. But I am still putting brook over him
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Re: Realistic Off-season scenarios 

Post#379 » by SlimShady83 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:52 am

zuju wrote:
EZ GG LOSER wrote:
UtahJazzFan88 wrote:
I just do not understand why a lot of Lakers fans want Nerlens Noel. Brook Lopez is a much better option.


I don't want Noel - but then again don't know much about him - I just dont' want Lolpez

Only way I'd want him back, is if we again strike out in FA and/or we can't get a decent center and/or Randle leaves due to lakers not paying him. Lolpez is too inconsistent - but if he was willing to play less and less behind the 3 point line and more and more inside then, I might consider it - he is beast inside the 3 point line, but unfortunately he lives on the 3 pint line :( + you all keep complaing about rebounds, we need a front court who can rebound :)


Back then, people here asked for a stretch 5
Now, we get one who can also play inside and people are complaining for his plays outside the arc and asks for a rim protector who could not score on his own by any means eg d jordan & noel
Brook is only implementing what Luke sets in order to give room for randle to work in the paint
Brook still attack inside as well depending on the situation
We are a good rebounding team, I would care less for this part
Ultimately, which centre who is available on the market is better than brook who provides outside shooting, inside attack and decent defence ?

Well, I would take a look at nirkic as well. But I am still putting brook over him


DAJ??? But then everyone would be complaining about FT's LOL, but we already suck at them so why not have someone who can at least grab rebounds from missed shots from the young,guns

DAJ
Randle
BI
PG
Ball

Bench: Kuz, Hart, IT, Zubac and who ever else?

I just don't see us getting both LBJ/PG will be 1 or the other - but not both and so expect to get someone else?
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Re: 2018-2019 Off Season thread 

Post#380 » by Ugly0598 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:53 am

DAJ is a good player, but him and Randle are terrible fits.

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