China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[robbie84]

Who actual speak for the 1.3 billion? Can they freely and post a twitter like Morey and not get arrest?

Wait, wait, how can these 1.3 billion people find out Morey made a twitter post about HK? Is it illegal to access Twitter from PRC?

Do you know the max jail time for illegal access twitter in China?

Chinese have the Internet and opinions too you know? This is exactly what an average American thinks about Chinese like everyone is a robot controlled by the government. If you guys actually go out of the US for once and you'd know better.

Chinese have internet as long as the government can police it and control what the people are seeing.
The general Chinese population can't view things like Twitter without a VPN.
It's only getting worse there.

One day the people will revolt. Technology will make it happen.

It's cowardly AF of the NBA to bow to these scumbags.

CCP= a bunch of corrupt politicians who only care about their personal wealth and interests.
Fortunately, history shows us that these types of socio political systems never work long term because human greed at the top always causes their downfall.
This is, to a lesser although worsening extent, what the USA is experiencing- but at least Americans have the right to Google things for themselves.

[seewhy]

There is so much media bias against China in the US today. This is not about the Chinese government, this is about the 1.3 billion Chinese all standing together to condemn the violent protesters in HK who are throwing fire bomb, vandalizing buildings, attacking police, and seeking foreign aid to try and break away from China. Morey didn't just insulted the Chinese government, he insulted the entire Chinese people, the paying customers of this NBA product.

Does anyone in the US get surprised when paying customers boycott some company if the company made, lets say a racist remark about certain racial group? Why is it when a US company made a bad remark about the customers in China and Chinese boycott the company, it's all of the sudden the Chinese government attacking the freedom of speech of an US company. You mean to say US companies can make any remark Chinese customers don't like and the Chinese should just shut up and take it anyway? How much more racist can people with this kind of view get?

Man what in the hell is this argument

My guy really compared company RACISM to supporting Hong Kong. Supporting HK is not an attack on Chinese people. It's support for HK who are..get this..also Chinese people. Chinese people who support HK are not coons, they're just sensible human beings.

And you say this because you know China and Chinese people? Listen, I am not even Chinese by nationality, Joseph Tsai (Nets owner with recent reaction on this topic) is not Chinese by nationality, but we know China and HK topic more than 99.999% of American. And I lived in the US for 20++ year, don't care about CCP and I am not under Chinese government rule and censorship. I speak from facts and real Chinese I know and work with on a daily basis. And I know Chinese feels the western bias and attack on Chinese as an discrimination of the Chinese race. If you actually travel outside of the US and you'd know that too.

[seewhy]

Who actual speak for the 1.3 billion? Can they freely and post a twitter like Morey and not get arrest?

Wait, wait, how can these 1.3 billion people find out Morey made a twitter post about HK? Is it illegal to access Twitter from PRC?

Do you know the max jail time for illegal access twitter in China?

Chinese have the Internet and opinions too you know? This is exactly what an average American thinks about Chinese like everyone is a robot controlled by the government. If you guys actually go out of the US for once and you'd know better.

Chinese have internet as long as the government can police it and control what the people are seeing.
The general Chinese population can't view things like Twitter without a VPN.
It's only getting worse there.

One day the people will revolt. Technology will make it happen.

It's cowardly AF of the NBA to bow to these scumbags.

CCP= a bunch of corrupt politicians who only care about their personal wealth and interests.
Fortunately, history shows us that these types of socio political systems never work long term because human greed at the top always causes their downfall.
This is, to a lesser although worsening extent, what the USA is experiencing- but at least Americans have the right to Google things for themselves.

It's laughable to see bunch of American all of the sudden become an expert on the Chinese people. So you guys want to bring freedom and democracy to the Chinese people just like you bring it to the Iraqis? what a joke. Over the last 20 years, Chinese came from dirt poor and a backward overpopulated country to a country with the biggest middle-income class and one of the most technological and infra-structurally advanced country today, I'd say 90% of people support the government, on their free will and not because the government pressure. And 99.99% Chinese would look at HK today and laugh at the kind of chaos "freedom and democracy" brought to HK compare to the safe, orderly and prosperous cities in most of China.

Oh and by the way, Chinese can search with Baidu and just like your FBI browse Internet and look for terrorists and hate group, China regulate what they consider a danger to their country. You'd be naive to think one country is any better. At least Chinese don't shock and awe another country and bring civil war to the entire region if you want to start talking all these freedom and human right stuff.

[mkot]

Many people are missing the point here. It's about China imposing censorship on people outside of their own country.

Read on Twitter

It's not about should the people of America support Hong Kong or their fight for freedom and democracy, it's about should Americans bow down to the Chinese.

And base on what's been happening, the latter seems to be the case. Which is fine, but let's stop pretending to be something you are not from now on. The NBA is money over principles. Always been and always will.

Black lives matter. Money matters too, if not more.

[TGM]

Hi all,

I haven't posted here in a while, but felt compelled to provide a on the ground view about what has happened here in HK. I am of Chinese descent father from Shanghai and Mother from HK. I have lived in Asia for the past 10 years split between HK, Tokyo and Shanghai. Prior 30 years in Toronto and NY. If anything I would consider myself more tied to my HK and North American roots. With this being said, I am disgusted by the minority group that is trashing ruining HK with their calls for freedom.

The last 18 weeks in HK have been an absolute war zone on the streets of HK, hate between HK and people from China have gotten to extremes. I think China's reaction to the Morey tweet is probably a bit overkill, but Morey should have refrained tweeting about something that he understands at a very superficial level. First thing I want to clarify is that media today is absolute trash. Media when it comes to politics is not about free press and reporting the truth, but who has paid you more money. China has always been known for censorship and some level of propaganda, but what has disgusted me most, is the so called western international press that has manipulated stories, edited videos and banned freedom of speech on the media channels and forums. I went and witnessed a protest in my neighbourhood 2 months back. The street had probably around 500-600 protestors. You could visibly count. The amount the western media reported the next day was 55,000. Clearly trying to skew the view. You may have heard there were 1 million people that showed up for a protest at a park in HK. The park scientifically can only fit 150,000 people. It was raining that day too.

For those that want to understand what is going on in HK. I am sure the media you read is that it is about a fight for democracy. That is probably 20% of the battle. The rest is about social inequality, change in social status and an inability to accept that competition has risen over the years. All of you in North America, probably over the past 10-20 years have noticed the increase of immigrants and they work hard and compete for jobs. HK is no different. This goes back into history when HK was colonized by the British. HK at the time was used by the British as a business gateway into Asia Pacific and to ensure the simplest dealings, rules were extremely lax in order to provide the most economic efficiency. As a result HK become one of the most capitalist cities in the world. Tax rates are 15% at the highest level, zero rent control, garbage public education and healthcare and next to zero retirement pension. If you are willing to work hard and live modestly, you can make and save money big time in this city. Working 10 years in HK even today would allow you to save the equivalent of 25 years in North America. Two problems arose from this phenomenon first was an elitist mindset from Hong Kong people towards the Mainland. I recall as a kid my family would look down about China in the 80-90s and felt that we were more sophisticated, cleaner and smarter. My families perspective changed as we saw China grow over the last few decades, but many still live in this elitist world. The second problem is the extreme reckless capitalism in HK has resulted in the biggest rich poor gap in the world. To give you a sense. The cost to buy a new 500 square foot apartment in an average neighbourhood will run you between 2-2.25 million CAD. The average payback period in this city is 49 years. Add in garbage education, healthcare and pension. The picture is pretty grimm. Now it is always easy to point the finger at China cause they are the communist, which historically we are taught are the antagonist and the democracy fighters are the protagonist. Problem is people destroying and rioting in HK are hiding behind the democracy shield, when the bulk of their battle is social inequality, inability to accept that their cousins have gotten much more competitive and they have gotten too complacent over the years that all of a sudden they cannot keep up with society.

This is what is truly happening in HK. This is why Morey's tweet at the end of the day is a bit ignorant, because it lacks context of what is happening and people are fighting for.

I wish the protestors in HK were this noble and righteous to fight for democracy. But this is a city that has been poisoned by money. If there is something that runs in the DNA of this city before democracy, socialism or communism. IT IS CAPITALISM!

[robbie84]

Chinese have the Internet and opinions too you know? This is exactly what an average American thinks about Chinese like everyone is a robot controlled by the government. If you guys actually go out of the US for once and you'd know better.

Chinese have internet as long as the government can police it and control what the people are seeing.
The general Chinese population can't view things like Twitter without a VPN.
It's only getting worse there.

One day the people will revolt. Technology will make it happen.

It's cowardly AF of the NBA to bow to these scumbags.

CCP= a bunch of corrupt politicians who only care about their personal wealth and interests.
Fortunately, history shows us that these types of socio political systems never work long term because human greed at the top always causes their downfall.
This is, to a lesser although worsening extent, what the USA is experiencing- but at least Americans have the right to Google things for themselves.

It's laughable to see bunch of American all of the sudden become an expert on the Chinese people. So you guys want to bring freedom and democracy to the Chinese people just like you bring it to the Iraqis? what a joke. Over the last 20 years, Chinese came from dirt poor and a backward overpopulated country to a country with the biggest middle-income class and one of the most technological and infra-structurally advanced country today, I'd say 90% of people support the government, on their free will and not because the government pressure. And 99.99% Chinese would look at HK today and laugh at the kind of chaos "freedom and democracy" brought to HK compare to the safe, orderly and prosperous cities in most of China.

Oh and by the way, Chinese can search with Baidu and just like your FBI browse Internet and look for terrorists and hate group, China regulate what they consider a danger to their country. You'd be naive to think one country is any better. At least Chinese don't shock and awe another country and bring civil war to the entire region if you want to start talking all these freedom and human right stuff.

Yes, the majority of Chinese people support their government that takes 90% of its wealth and lines their own pockets with it.

Baidu huh? Can you look at Twitter with that?
How many sites are censored by Baidu?
Do you actually understand why the CCP censors the internet and information that Chinese people get?
Because they know that if the Chinese people had the real, true, honest story, then the Chinese people wouldn't put up with it, and the rich politicians would lose all the money they've stolen from the people.

It's funny how the people of Hong Kong are willing to go through that chaos to defend themselves from the CCP's dictatorship. They REALLY don't want to suffer like the main land Chinese huh? The only
Instead of talking about Iraq, how about thinking how much better Hong Kong is than China. Why is Hong Kong so much better? I bet you've never been to Hong Kong.

You can keep drooling and pretending.
Good bye commie puppet.

[Gnik]

Chinese have the Internet and opinions too you know? This is exactly what an average American thinks about Chinese like everyone is a robot controlled by the government. If you guys actually go out of the US for once and you'd know better.

Chinese have internet as long as the government can police it and control what the people are seeing.
The general Chinese population can't view things like Twitter without a VPN.
It's only getting worse there.

One day the people will revolt. Technology will make it happen.

It's cowardly AF of the NBA to bow to these scumbags.

CCP= a bunch of corrupt politicians who only care about their personal wealth and interests.
Fortunately, history shows us that these types of socio political systems never work long term because human greed at the top always causes their downfall.
This is, to a lesser although worsening extent, what the USA is experiencing- but at least Americans have the right to Google things for themselves.

It's laughable to see bunch of American all of the sudden become an expert on the Chinese people. So you guys want to bring freedom and democracy to the Chinese people just like you bring it to the Iraqis? what a joke. Over the last 20 years, Chinese came from dirt poor and a backward overpopulated country to a country with the biggest middle-income class and one of the most technological and infra-structurally advanced country today, I'd say 90% of people support the government, on their free will and not because the government pressure. And 99.99% Chinese would look at HK today and laugh at the kind of chaos "freedom and democracy" brought to HK compare to the safe, orderly and prosperous cities in most of China.

Oh and by the way, Chinese can search with Baidu and just like your FBI browse Internet and look for terrorists and hate group, China regulate what they consider a danger to their country. You'd be naive to think one country is any better. At least Chinese don't shock and awe another country and bring civil war to the entire region if you want to start talking all these freedom and human right stuff.

I'm from the east. Chinese aggression is real.

[spikeslovechild]

There is so much media bias against China in the US today. This is not about the Chinese government, this is about the 1.3 billion Chinese all standing together to condemn the violent protesters in HK who are throwing fire bomb, vandalizing buildings, attacking police, and seeking foreign aid to try and break away from China. Morey didn't just insulted the Chinese government, he insulted the entire Chinese people, the paying customers of this NBA product.

Does anyone in the US get surprised when paying customers boycott some company if the company made, lets say a racist remark about certain racial group? Why is it when a US company made a bad remark about the customers in China and Chinese boycott the company, it's all of the sudden the Chinese government attacking the freedom of speech of an US company. You mean to say US companies can make any remark Chinese customers don't like and the Chinese should just shut up and take it anyway? How much more racist can people with this kind of view get?

Man what in the hell is this argument

My guy really compared company RACISM to supporting Hong Kong. Supporting HK is not an attack on Chinese people. It's support for HK who are..get this..also Chinese people. Chinese people who support HK are not coons, they're just sensible human beings.

And you say this because you know China and Chinese people? Listen, I am not even Chinese by nationality, Joseph Tsai (Nets owner with recent reaction on this topic) is not Chinese by nationality, but we know China and HK topic more than 99.999% of American. And I lived in the US for 20++ year, don't care about CCP and I am not under Chinese government rule and censorship. I speak from facts and real Chinese I know and work with on a daily basis. And I know Chinese feels the western bias and attack on Chinese as an discrimination of the Chinese race. If you actually travel outside of the US and you'd know that too.

That is because the Chinese have been indoctrinated at an early age to hate and be suspicious of the west. It's a common tactic the Soviets used to do the same thing. Kim does the same to the North Koreans.

Also lets be real here many of the problems that exist in China whether it be the Uyghur concentration camps or Hong Kong can be traced back to deep rooted Han Chinese ethno-nationalism that the CCP has exploited for their own purposes. When CCP talks about their ONE CHINA policy what they really mean is a HANIZATION CHINA policy that is unaccepting and intolerant of other nationalities customs and beliefs.

[robbie84]

Hi all,

I haven't posted here in a while, but felt compelled to provide a on the ground view about what has happened here in HK. I am of Chinese descent father from Shanghai and Mother from HK. I have lived in Asia for the past 10 years split between HK, Tokyo and Shanghai. Prior 30 years in Toronto and NY. If anything I would consider myself more tied to my HK and North American roots. With this being said, I am disgusted by the minority group that is trashing ruining HK with their calls for freedom.

The last 18 weeks in HK have been an absolute war zone on the streets of HK, hate between HK and people from China have gotten to extremes. I think China's reaction to the Morey tweet is probably a bit overkill, but Morey should have refrained tweeting about something that he understands at a very superficial level. First thing I want to clarify is that media today is absolute trash. Media when it comes to politics is not about free press and reporting the truth, but who has paid you more money. China has always been known for censorship and some level of propaganda, but what has disgusted me most, is the so called western international press that has manipulated stories, edited videos and banned freedom of speech on the media channels and forums. I went and witnessed a protest in my neighbourhood 2 months back. The street had probably around 500-600 protestors. You could visibly count. The amount the western media reported the next day was 55,000. Clearly trying to skew the view. You may have heard there were 1 million people that showed up for a protest at a park in HK. The park scientifically can only fit 150,000 people. It was raining that day too.

For those that want to understand what is going on in HK. I am sure the media you read is that it is about a fight for democracy. That is probably 20% of the battle. The rest is about social inequality, change in social status and an inability to accept that competition has risen over the years. All of you in North America, probably over the past 10-20 years have noticed the increase of immigrants and they work hard and compete for jobs. HK is no different. This goes back into history when HK was colonized by the British. HK at the time was used by the British as a business gateway into Asia Pacific and to ensure the simplest dealings, rules were extremely lax in order to provide the most economic efficiency. As a result HK become one of the most capitalist cities in the world. Tax rates are 15% at the highest level, zero rent control, garbage public education and healthcare and next to zero retirement pension. If you are willing to work hard and live modestly, you can make and save money big time in this city. Working 10 years in HK even today would allow you to save the equivalent of 25 years in North America. Two problems arose from this phenomenon first was an elitist mindset from Hong Kong people towards the Mainland. I recall as a kid my family would look down about China in the 80-90s and felt that we were more sophisticated, cleaner and smarter. My families perspective changed as we saw China grow over the last few decades, but many still live in this elitist world. The second problem is the extreme reckless capitalism in HK has resulted in the biggest rich poor gap in the world. To give you a sense. The cost to buy a new 500 square foot apartment in an average neighbourhood will run you between 2-2.25 million CAD. The average payback period in this city is 49 years. Add in garbage education, healthcare and pension. The picture is pretty grimm. Now it is always easy to point the finger at China cause they are the communist, which historically we are taught are the antagonist and the democracy fighters are the protagonist. Problem is people destroying and rioting in HK are hiding behind the democracy shield, when the bulk of their battle is social inequality, inability to accept that their cousins have gotten much more competitive and they have gotten too complacent over the years that all of a sudden they cannot keep up with society.

This is what is truly happening in HK. This is why Morey's tweet at the end of the day is a bit ignorant, because it lacks context of what is happening and people are fighting for.

I wish the protestors in HK were this noble and righteous to fight for democracy. But this is a city that has been poisoned by money. If there is something that runs in the DNA of this city before democracy, socialism or communism. IT IS CAPITALISM!

LOL. Look at the five demands. How do they have anything to do with the dribble you are spouting?
Go away commies.

[spikeslovechild]

Hi all,

I haven't posted here in a while, but felt compelled to provide a on the ground view about what has happened here in HK. I am of Chinese descent father from Shanghai and Mother from HK. I have lived in Asia for the past 10 years split between HK, Tokyo and Shanghai. Prior 30 years in Toronto and NY. If anything I would consider myself more tied to my HK and North American roots. With this being said, I am disgusted by the minority group that is trashing ruining HK with their calls for freedom.

The last 18 weeks in HK have been an absolute war zone on the streets of HK, hate between HK and people from China have gotten to extremes. I think China's reaction to the Morey tweet is probably a bit overkill, but Morey should have refrained tweeting about something that he understands at a very superficial level. First thing I want to clarify is that media today is absolute trash. Media when it comes to politics is not about free press and reporting the truth, but who has paid you more money. China has always been known for censorship and some level of propaganda, but what has disgusted me most, is the so called western international press that has manipulated stories, edited videos and banned freedom of speech on the media channels and forums. I went and witnessed a protest in my neighbourhood 2 months back. The street had probably around 500-600 protestors. You could visibly count. The amount the western media reported the next day was 55,000. Clearly trying to skew the view. You may have heard there were 1 million people that showed up for a protest at a park in HK. The park scientifically can only fit 150,000 people. It was raining that day too.

For those that want to understand what is going on in HK. I am sure the media you read is that it is about a fight for democracy. That is probably 20% of the battle. The rest is about social inequality, change in social status and an inability to accept that competition has risen over the years. All of you in North America, probably over the past 10-20 years have noticed the increase of immigrants and they work hard and compete for jobs. HK is no different. This goes back into history when HK was colonized by the British. HK at the time was used by the British as a business gateway into Asia Pacific and to ensure the simplest dealings, rules were extremely lax in order to provide the most economic efficiency. As a result HK become one of the most capitalist cities in the world. Tax rates are 15% at the highest level, zero rent control, garbage public education and healthcare and next to zero retirement pension. If you are willing to work hard and live modestly, you can make and save money big time in this city. Working 10 years in HK even today would allow you to save the equivalent of 25 years in North America. Two problems arose from this phenomenon first was an elitist mindset from Hong Kong people towards the Mainland. I recall as a kid my family would look down about China in the 80-90s and felt that we were more sophisticated, cleaner and smarter. My families perspective changed as we saw China grow over the last few decades, but many still live in this elitist world. The second problem is the extreme reckless capitalism in HK has resulted in the biggest rich poor gap in the world. To give you a sense. The cost to buy a new 500 square foot apartment in an average neighbourhood will run you between 2-2.25 million CAD. The average payback period in this city is 49 years. Add in garbage education, healthcare and pension. The picture is pretty grimm. Now it is always easy to point the finger at China cause they are the communist, which historically we are taught are the antagonist and the democracy fighters are the protagonist. Problem is people destroying and rioting in HK are hiding behind the democracy shield, when the bulk of their battle is social inequality, inability to accept that their cousins have gotten much more competitive and they have gotten too complacent over the years that all of a sudden they cannot keep up with society.

This is what is truly happening in HK. This is why Morey's tweet at the end of the day is a bit ignorant, because it lacks context of what is happening and people are fighting for.

I wish the protestors in HK were this noble and righteous to fight for democracy. But this is a city that has been poisoned by money. If there is something that runs in the DNA of this city before democracy, socialism or communism. IT IS CAPITALISM!

LOL. Look at the five demands. How do they have anything to do with the dribble you are spouting?
Go away commies.

Wholly crap what a long ass post I hope the CCP paid him per word.

[Gnik]

These are overseas Chinese-Americans, people that grew up in the US and most of whom do not even speak Mandarin. They are exposed to as much Chinese government propaganda as the average American.

That makes them even bigger pieces of garbage. It's easy to support human rights abuses when you don't have to live in the country that's perpetrating them.

Yikes, you missed the point entirely. My point is that Chinese-Americans are accustomed to hearing about complaints about human rights and trade practices. They are not supporting China. However, issues of territorial integrity like Taiwan, Tibet, etc elicit a different reaction and feels more personal.

Hmmm, really. Chinese who fled to other parts of Asia is the opposite then. Growing up in other parts of Asia, most really don't have any affinity with China whatsoever. Most distance themselves from these issues(pretty much distancing themselves from mainlanders altogether) knowing Chinese aggression when it comes to their territorial claims in the region.

I mean, don't get it wrong, we don't like western interference too. But we also see China for what they are

[spacemonkey]

LOL. Look at the five demands. How do they have anything to do with the dribble you are spouting?
Go away commies.

Some of these "I live in HK" post we've had from a few posters on RGM are almost comically inaccurate.

A lot of it is the same cherry-picked, context-less, and outright untrue garbage propaganda the 50c wumao brigade are overloading the internet with.

From "jealous of mainlanders" to "stoked by western agents" to "separatists", the misrepresentation has become canonized much like the 5000 year glorious history and western imperial forces seeking to divide China, China is always the victim bits.

It's classic CCP playbook, allows them to pretend that this is a territorial sovereignty issue (it isn't, HK people aren't sececcionists) and has already blanketed the internet in any SEA country with a considerable Chinese population (Singapore being a prime example), and it is reaching other parts of the internet, too (such as here).

Unfortunately, the false information carpet bombing is working to the point where international media is picking it up and running it (like those that mischaracterize the protests as an independence movement).

[Gnik]

LOL. Look at the five demands. How do they have anything to do with the dribble you are spouting?
Go away commies.

Some of these "I live in HK" post we've had from a few posters on RGM are almost comically inaccurate.

A lot of it is the same cherry-picked, context-less, and outright untrue garbage propaganda the 50c wumao brigade are overloading the internet with.

From "jealous of mainlanders" to "stoked by western agents" to "separatists", the misrepresentation has become canonized much like the 5000 year glorious history and western imperial forces seeking to divide China, China is always the victim bits.

It's classic CCP playbook, allows them to pretend that this is a territorial sovereignty issue (it isn't, HK people aren't sececcionists) and has ready blanketed the internet in any SEA country with a considerable Chinese population (Singapore being a prime example).

Unfortunately, the false information carpet bombing is working to the point where international media is picking it up and running it (like those that mischaracterize the protests as an independence movement).

It's actually crazy to think that the propaganda machine has reached realgm. Social media is filled with these and it's not hard to identify them.

[kio80]

LOL. Look at the five demands. How do they have anything to do with the dribble you are spouting?
Go away commies.

Some if these "I live in HK" post we've had from a few posters I have RGM are almost comically inaccurate.

A lot of it is the same cherry-picked, context less, and outright untrue garbage propaganda the 50c wumao brigade are overloading the internet with.

From "jealous of mainlanders" to "stoked by western agents" to "separatists", the misrepresentation has become canonized much like the 5000 year glorious history and western imperial forces seeking to divide China, China is always the victim bits.

It's classic CCP playbook, allows them to pretend that this is a territorial sovereignty issue (it isn't, HK people aren't sececcionists) and has ready blanketed the internet in any SEA country with a considerable Chinese population (Singapore being a prime example).

Unfortunately, the false information carpet bombing is working to the point where international media is picking it up and running it (like those that mischaracterize the protests as an independence movement).

A lot of us had been showing proof of what’s been happening in Hong Kong, I even private messaged you and explained that I will provide more info if only you are interested, however I never got a reply from you.

I think most of your accusations of China and statements are comically inaccurate.

I urge you to come to Hong Kong and experience what’s happening here instead of hiding behind your keyboards. I will gladly be your tour guide.


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[o0dong]

Being a Chinese Australian my perspective is that I don't know enough to comment and Morey probably should've taken that stance. Either way the NBA is now in a lose lose situation and despite being one of the best GMs in the league may find himself black balled by the league.

When the world can dissect anything you say, you better stand behind what you can say or else face the consequences.

[clyde21]

LOL. Look at the five demands. How do they have anything to do with the dribble you are spouting?
Go away commies.

Some of these "I live in HK" post we've had from a few posters on RGM are almost comically inaccurate.

A lot of it is the same cherry-picked, context-less, and outright untrue garbage propaganda the 50c wumao brigade are overloading the internet with.

From "jealous of mainlanders" to "stoked by western agents" to "separatists", the misrepresentation has become canonized much like the 5000 year glorious history and western imperial forces seeking to divide China, China is always the victim bits.

It's classic CCP playbook, allows them to pretend that this is a territorial sovereignty issue (it isn't, HK people aren't sececcionists) and has already blanketed the internet in any SEA country with a considerable Chinese population (Singapore being a prime example), and it is reaching other parts of the internet, too (such as here).

Unfortunately, the false information carpet bombing is working to the point where international media is picking it up and running it (like those that mischaracterize the protests as an independence movement).

to be fair, he did say that it's only about 20% seperatists, rest are issues with inequality, immigration, etc.

[spacemonkey]

to be fair, he did say that it's only about 20% seperatists, rest are issues with inequality, immigration, etc.

If we're thinking of the same poster (TGM), he said it was 20% a fight for democracy. Democracy in the context of Hong Kong is not separatism. Hong Kong protestors, the vast majority, anyway, do not want to become an independent nation / separate from China / secede from China.

What the democracy is in the context of the protests is the ability to diretly elect *all* seats of the legislative council, and directly elect leaders for the city (think of it like electing a mayor).

The leader would still have to have the same requirements they do now (such as being of Chinese nationality etc.). <-- this part is important when people try to misrepresent the movement as an "independence" movement. All Hong Kong-born Chinese people have Chinese nationality.

Breaking it down real quick, the way the system works, the Hong Kong people are only able to vote for representatives based on their geographic location (this is called the geographic constituency). This only makes up half the seats in the legislative council.

The other half (functional constituency) is made up by various sectors, and they are guaranteed seats, and the public cannot vote for them directly. Most of them hold pro-Beijing interests (largely due to business).

Just to add to this quickly, Hong Kong people cannot vote for the Chief Executive directly, either. Instead, that is made up of a 1200-member election committee (think political elites, special interest groups, etc.).

One major criticism of this method of election is that the 1200-member committee is often made up of the elite, those with power, who tend to hold pro-Beijing interests.

But all that is moot, anyway, because the only 'candidates' for Chief Executive have to be pre-vetted by Beijing, anyway.

So even *IF* Hong Kong people did have 1 vote per 1 person (currently, their votes work out to a fraction of a vote functionally speaking), it wouldn't matter because they could only vote for people that Beijing will allow, and all candidates Beijing will allow will understandably be sympathetic to Beijing.

The criticism here is that the leader does not represent the people of Hong Kong, but only the businesses of Hong Kong, as well as the government of Beijing.

I hope that contextualizes somewhat Hong Kong protestor's "fight for democracy". They want to be able to vote for all seats in their legislative council, and also vote for any candidate they please, and they want to get rid of the election committee and give 1 person 1 vote.

Edit: To add, I agree with the poster TGM that these protests are about more than just this type of democracy, or even the extradition law.

There is a deep-seeded unhappiness in Hong Kong people about many things in many sectors, most notably the economy and the housing crisis (same as it goes in a lot of places around the world). A lot feel that the government has let them down, and part of that feeling is that the electoral system is letting the down.

However, TGM tried to characterize this unhappiness as being "jealous of their cousins" which is actually one of the popular wumao propaganda lines spread around the internet. It's the same type of drivel as "Hong Kong people used to be more sophisticated than Mainland Chinese, but now can't handle that they aren't" etc.

These kinds of sweeping attacks are, being as generous as possible, extremely broadly applied generalizations, and actually incredibly arrogant and self-absorbed, too.

Imagine thinking that 2 million people took to the streets because they were jealous you had more money than them, and not because they are unhappy with their own government... just lol.

[durden_tyler]

Just schedule a game with the Hong Kong National Team-- now that's a message i'd like to see from my favorite league.

[robbie84]

[seewhy]

If we're thinking of the same poster (TGM), he said it was 20% a fight for democracy. Democracy in the context of Hong Kong is not separatism. Hong Kong protestors, the vast majority, anyway, do not want to become an independent nation / separate from China / secede from China.

What the democracy is in the context of the protests is the ability to diretly elect *all* seats of the legislative council, and directly elect leaders for the city (think of it like electing a mayor).

The leader would still have to have the same requirements they do now (such as being of Chinese nationality etc.). <-- this part is important when people try to misrepresent the movement as an "independence" movement.

Breaking it down real quick, the way the system works, the Hong Kong people are only able to vote for representatives based on their geographic location (this is called the geographic constituency). This only makes up half the seats in the legislative council.

The other half (functional constituency) is made up by various sectors, and they are guaranteed seats, and the public cannot vote for them directly. Most of them hold pro-Beijing interests (largely due to business).

Just to add to this quickly, Hong Kong people cannot vote for the Chief Executive directly, either. Instead, that is made up of a 1200-member election committee (think political elites, special interest groups, etc.).

One major criticism of this method of election is that the 1200-member committee is often made up of the elite, those with power, who tend to hold pro-Beijing interests.

But all that is moot, anyway, because the only 'candidates' for Chief Executive have to be pre-vetted by Beijing, anyway.

So even *IF* Hong Kong people did have 1 vote per 1 person (currently, their votes work out to a fraction of a vote functionally speaking), it wouldn't matter because they could only vote for people that Beijing will allow, and all candidates Beijing will allow will understandably be sympathetic to Beijing.

The criticism here is that the leader does not represent the people of Hong Kong, but only the businesses of Hong Kong, as well as the government of Beijing.

I hope that contextualizes somewhat Hong Kong protestor's "fight for democracy". They want to be able to vote for all seats in their legislative council, and also vote for any candidate they please, and they want to get rid of the election committee and give 1 person 1 vote.

Since when was HK a 100% democracy? Did they get any say at all during UK rule? Nope, they get zero say, UK just appoint some old white Duke/Lord of something to come over and rule over HK. Did UK and China agreed on letting HK to have 1 vote per person during the hand over? Did the rest of China get 1 vote per person and HK do not?

The truth is, HK is getting more control now. At the very least they get some say in chief executive and he/she is always a HK citizen.

This "fight for democracy" is for some simple minded people who ignores the history and reality of Chinese political structure and just chant freedom and democracy like it is the cure all miracle drug for all countries in the world. Chinese government has to manage a complex country of 1.3 billion people. They have proven their government works and they got great support from the Chinese people. HK is part of China and before the HK people ask what China can and must do for them and grant them this freedom and democracy, maybe they want to ask what they can do for their country like contributing to the sovereignty and stability of the nation?