The Trey Lance thread

[arich35]

I felt like when Lance was going downfield and had some time he did well, made some good throws that we haven't seen the past few years. I hope Kyle didn't open up the playbook more because of the weather but he really needs to start dialing some downfield passes, PA that gets Lance on the move a bit so he has options with his arms and feet. But none of that can happen if the Oline doesn't provide a semi clean pocket
I don't think he is going to be big on the quick passes like Jimmy was but he didn't do anything that Jimmy would have done in that weather

[Jikkle]

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Cut up of all of Lance's plays.

After watching it I still thought he played fine.

The biggest mistakes I'd say are the Kroft miss and INT. Had some missed throws that were completely on him and some he missed while under pressure.

I'd say the throws after around the 4:30 mark are pretty pointless to watch because that's when weather was without a doubt an issue. I mean when the broadcast has to superimpose yardage lines you know it's raining really hard.

Ultimately you would need the coach's film that shows what the secondary was doing to really what level he played on. The Bears didn't blitz so he had 7 in coverage so it's a question of did he miss throws that were there to be had, didn't have anybody open, or didn't have the time to really completely scan the field to find the open guy. Probably a combination of the 3 and we'll see later on in the week if someone analyzes the film.

[Jikkle]

I'll add the one thing I'm encouraged by was Lance's accuracy on his completions. One of my biggest worries was even if he threw completions they were going to be low, high, or be an awkward catch for the receiver but his ball location was pretty good in the game.

I'll say as well outside the INT it at least seems on the surface his decision-making was sound. Now we'll have to see coach's film to see if he wasn't missing open guys but he wasn't throwing balls that were making me go "why would you throw that?!"

[Jikkle]

That's probably why Kyle chose Lance, because he doesn't want QBs to freelance his plays.

He wants them run as designed.

And Kyle is probably expecting the QB to hit the first read on like 80% of the plays.

But Lance was prone to bail out early and run. Then when they fell behind he started staring down WRs

Aiyuk started out well with at least one play action to a deep cross pattern. But after the first half, I didn't see Aiyuk targeted. Maybe the Bears took him away as the main downfield threat and gave single coverage to Jennings and Deebo though Deebo isn't going downfield much.

I didn't really notice him bailing out early and running.

He pretty much-avoided pressure and was looking downfield on his dropbacks. There were a couple of designed QB draws so maybe that's where the impression of him bailing out and running is coming from but I didn't really see him leaving clean pockets to scramble for yardage.

[Dodub]

Lance played well for the most part, especially when considering the conditions that they played in. I was encouraged by what I saw. Without 12 penalties or a couple busted coverages we win.

[Pattersonca65]

I went back and watched all of Lance's plays on Youtube. He did well on the longer routes where he was well protected by the oline and there was time for the plays to develop downfield. Trey struggled on the shorter yardage plays. Sometimes pressure came to quickly. Other times it didn't and Trey appeared rattled in the pocket and his passes were off.

[CrimsonCrew]

The short misses continue to baffle. He missed a couple of those easy balls at or behind the LOS. Granted Fields also missed one of those, so conditions may have played a part, but this is something Lance showed repeatedly in college.

The one crosser to Aiyuk was a beautiful ball in a very challenging spot, though possibly not the best decision for that reason. But he got it done. In addition to the one INT, he had another near-INT across the middle.

Overall, as said, he didn't appear to be the primary issue in this loss, but he didn't find ways to get it done like Fields did, either. Once he leaves the pocket, he's not nearly as dangerous as some of these other guys who keep looking for the big play downfield. It's something he'll have to work on. The weather seemed to make the comeback attempt a futile effort, but Fields wasn't really throwing at all by that time, so there isn't really a comparison point.

[Pattersonca65]

The short misses continue to baffle. He missed a couple of those easy balls at or behind the LOS. Granted Fields also missed one of those, so conditions may have played a part, but this is something Lance showed repeatedly in college.

The one crosser to Aiyuk was a beautiful ball in a very challenging spot, though possibly not the best decision for that reason. But he got it done. In addition to the one INT, he had another near-INT across the middle.

Overall, as said, he didn't appear to be the primary issue in this loss, but he didn't find ways to get it done like Fields did, either. Once he leaves the pocket, he's not nearly as dangerous as some of these other guys who keep looking for the big play downfield. It's something he'll have to work on. The weather seemed to make the comeback attempt a futile effort, but Fields wasn't really throwing at all by that time, so there isn't really a comparison point.

I don't know exactly what to attribute it to, but some of those quick throws require quick reads and dealing with the rush. I would think his ack of experience has something to do with that. He had little experience coming out of college and played against lesser level college talent at that. Everything is now happening much quicker with far better athletes. Hopefully with time he gets better at some of these things. He needs to get better with this over the course of the season if this team is going to compete this season.

[CrimsonCrew]

The short misses continue to baffle. He missed a couple of those easy balls at or behind the LOS. Granted Fields also missed one of those, so conditions may have played a part, but this is something Lance showed repeatedly in college.

The one crosser to Aiyuk was a beautiful ball in a very challenging spot, though possibly not the best decision for that reason. But he got it done. In addition to the one INT, he had another near-INT across the middle.

Overall, as said, he didn't appear to be the primary issue in this loss, but he didn't find ways to get it done like Fields did, either. Once he leaves the pocket, he's not nearly as dangerous as some of these other guys who keep looking for the big play downfield. It's something he'll have to work on. The weather seemed to make the comeback attempt a futile effort, but Fields wasn't really throwing at all by that time, so there isn't really a comparison point.

I don't know exactly what to attribute it to, but some of those quick throws require quick reads and dealing with the rush. I would think his ack of experience has something to do with that. He had little experience coming out of college and played against lesser level college talent at that. Everything is now happening much quicker with far better athletes. Hopefully with time he gets better at some of these things. He needs to get better with this over the course of the season if this team is going to compete this season.

Sure, but a lot of these are basically just catch and throw plays where the pass rush isn't really an issue. And the ball just dies like three feet in front of his receiver. Can't miss those layups.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Trey Lance carted off with serious ankle injury

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[wco81]

Do you see defensive players eye light up when they see a QB running up the middle?

Even in the Chicago game, there were often 2 defenders diving head first towards Trey.

Free shots on the QB?

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[thesack12]

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I was holding out hope that is was a broken fibula or something along those lines

[Jikkle]

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Damn't

I was holding out hope that is was a broken fibula or something along those lines

I saw a picture of it on twitter and his ankle wasn't facing the right direction. Looked like the Dak Prescott injury a couple years ago.

My hope is that he'll be fully recovered before he begins his offseason work. The loss of the reps is bad enough but not being able to work on his mechanics to further refine them will make it even worse.

[thesack12]

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I was holding out hope that is was a broken fibula or something along those lines

I saw a picture of it on twitter and his ankle wasn't facing the right direction. Looked like the Dak Prescott injury a couple years ago.

My hope is that he'll be fully recovered before he begins his offseason work. The loss of the reps is bad enough but not being able to work on his mechanics to further refine them will make it even worse.

Ugh

Yup, you are completely right. The fact that he will now have to focus on rehabbing instead of growing his overall game just makes it so much worse than just missing the time and live game experience.

He'll enter next season with only having started what like 5 total games in the previous 3 years.

[Pattersonca65]

I felt bad seeing Lance suffering that injury. I hardly ever question Shanahan but running Lance up the middle like this. Clearly Shanahan did not trust Lance to throw the football. I kind of understand last year as Lance was thrown in the fire but this season Shanahan made Lance the starter. Why name Lance the starter if you are not going to trust him to throw the football? Jimmy came in and Shanahan was having him throw the ball over the place.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

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I was holding out hope that is was a broken fibula or something along those lines

I saw a picture of it on twitter and his ankle wasn't facing the right direction. Looked like the Dak Prescott injury a couple years ago.

My hope is that he'll be fully recovered before he begins his offseason work. The loss of the reps is bad enough but not being able to work on his mechanics to further refine them will make it even worse.

Exactly!! These are my biggest concerns as well. You nailed it.

[wco81]

49ers are probably going to have to decide on a fifth year option or a big extension without having seen a big season from Trey.

So do they double down in a couple of years or cut their losses?

Think sunk cost fallacy.

If the Niners didn’t move up, which team would have drafted him before #11 or whichever pick they had in that draft?

[Jikkle]

49ers are probably going to have to decide on a fifth year option or a big extension without having seen a big season from Trey.

So do they double down in a couple of years or cut their losses?

Think sunk cost fallacy.

If the Niners didn’t move up, which team would have drafted him before #11 or whichever pick they had in that draft?

You at least have to pick up the fifth-year option and depending on how he does next season you can debate giving him a long-term deal.

Obviously a long-term deal would be a gamble even if he has a monster year but you might be able to get him at a cheaper rate than you would if you wait and he continues to be great.

It's just a tough question for people outside of the team to answer because I feel you only the people that work with him day in and day out behind the scenes have a feel if he's worth betting on or not.

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