Trade Talk (Part Eight)

[SO_MONEY]

What?

You could make this exact post every time and it would be an improvement over what you currently contribute while accurately displaying your understanding. Maybe add "durrrrrrrrrrrrrr" and a drool emoji.

Okay, if you say so. But I am sure many people are equally confused by what you just posted.

[winforlose]

So this seems unlikely but I just thought I would toss this out there, any word on Obi toppin being available for trades. On the one hand he just had a great offseason and Thibs is more likely give him more time now that he is not a rookie. On the other hand, they have Randall and Toppin barley played last season. If a package of Okogie and V8 plus a protected first would do it I would be all for it.

I don't see the upside in the areas we need, I think he will be a problematic defender and failed in the area he was supposed to be NBA ready, given his age I would rather have Vando and giving a pick feels like a hefty overpay.

You have a point. For me the question is how much did his disappointing rookie season have to do with Thibs. His summer league shooting showed significant growth, and with consistent play time I think he may be a player who hits his stride in his second season. Vando is only worth while if 1, he is on a very team friendly deal, 2, has improved his hands of stone at least to the point where it is safe to pass to him, and 3, he can keep his fouling under control. I agree Vando has good defense at times and his rebounding is super valuable, but I see Toppin having more upside. As for the pick, I don’t think we pry away a number 8 without it. Unlike Culver, Toppin only had one season to show what he can do and played some of the fewest minutes of any rookie. I just don’t see the Knicks moving him without something worth while.

[VeritasTri]

What?

You could make this exact post every time and it would be an improvement over what you currently contribute while accurately displaying your understanding. Maybe add "durrrrrrrrrrrrrr" and a drool emoji.

Okay, if you say so. But I am sure many people are equally confused by what you just posted.

Well, you guys can talk about it on your little bus ride home.

[SO_MONEY]

You could make this exact post every time and it would be an improvement over what you currently contribute while accurately displaying your understanding. Maybe add "durrrrrrrrrrrrrr" and a drool emoji.

Okay, if you say so. But I am sure many people are equally confused by what you just posted.

Well, you guys can talk about it on your little bus ride home.

When the kids on the short bus actually understand the purpose and effects of a sagging defense, what does that say about you...?

"The wheels on the bus go round and round"

[VeritasTri]

Okay, if you say so. But I am sure many people are equally confused by what you just posted.

Well, you guys can talk about it on your little bus ride home.

When the kids on the short bus actually understand the purpose and effects of a sagging defense, what does that say about you...?

"The wheels on the bus go round and round"

Your childlike vision of the "purpose and effects of a sagging defense" gets sh*t on as soon as I suggest Simmons at the top with Towns/Edwards/Dlo/Mcdaniels spaced behind the 3pt line.

[SO_MONEY]

Well, you guys can talk about it on your little bus ride home.

When the kids on the short bus actually understand the purpose and effects of a sagging defense, what does that say about you...?

"The wheels on the bus go round and round"

Your childlike vision of the "purpose and effects of a sagging defense" gets sh*t on as soon as I suggest Simmons at the top with Towns/Edwards/Dlo/Mcdaniels spaced behind the 3pt line.

No it doesn't. Presumably thay are being guarded conventionally no one is sagging off them. You sag off Simmons and dare him to shoot because he can't or won't and position yourself to pick him up in areas he can hurt you. Do you even know what sagging defense is, at this point I have to ask?

[shrink]

Well, you guys can talk about it on your little bus ride home.

When the kids on the short bus actually understand the purpose and effects of a sagging defense, what does that say about you...?

"The wheels on the bus go round and round"

Your childlike vision of the "purpose and effects of a sagging defense" gets sh*t on as soon as I suggest Simmons at the top with Towns/Edwards/Dlo/Mcdaniels spaced behind the 3pt line.

Look at your previous two posts (“little bus” and “drooling”). You have lost the moral high ground to call anyone “childlike.”

You are perfectly capable of making good posts, but you seem to think it’s okay to make childish insults here and denigrate people on the board.

I hope you will stay and continue to keep posting because I appreciate the posts you make when you aren’t trolling. But enough already. This is a board with predominantly adult members, who prefer adult discourse. If you can’t respond to people disagreeing you (or apparently, even asking you to clarify) without insulting them, then you are in the wrong place.

[VeritasTri]

No it doesn't. Presumably thay are being guarded conventionally no one is sagging off them. You sag off Simmons and dare him to shoot because he can't or won't and position yourself to pick him up in areas he can hurt you. Do you even know what sagging defense is, at this point I have to ask?

Ok, so you have 4 guys spaced out being guarded normally, leaving a wide open lane with one defender playing 10 feet off of Simmons.

Then what?

You purposefully created a situation with Ben Simmons getting a head of steam going one on one with a big man. The guy who draws fouls at an elite rate because of the inability for bigs to defend him 1 on 1 in space. But to you this is somehow a win?

Apparently you think that scenario somehow puts Simmons at a disadvantage rather than an advantage, its adorable.

[Klomp]

I think this thing will come to an end sometime between the timeline of when the Harden trade happened and when the Butler trade happened.

[VeritasTri]

Look at your previous two posts (“little bus” and “drooling”). You have lost the moral high ground to call anyone “childlike.”

You are perfectly capable of making good posts, but you seem to think it’s okay to make childish insults here and denigrate people on the board.

I hope you will stay and continue to keep posting because I appreciate the posts you make when you aren’t trolling. But enough already. This is a board with predominantly adult members, who prefer adult discourse. If you can’t respond to people disagreeing you (or apparently, even asking you to clarify) without insulting them, then you are in the wrong place.

Oh no, not the moral high ground

Maybe you should mind your own business rather than commenting on conversations between so_money and myself? Since you clearly are missing the context of previous conversations.

Let me ask you an honest adult question. Do you think So_moneys response of "what" was a good faith "asking for clarification" or an attempt to pose my logical explanation as nonsensical? If you think he wanted genuine discourse then maybe you should be on the bus with him.

[SO_MONEY]

No it doesn't. Presumably thay are being guarded conventionally no one is sagging off them. You sag off Simmons and dare him to shoot because he can't or won't and position yourself to pick him up in areas he can hurt you. Do you even know what sagging defense is, at this point I have to ask?

Ok, so you have 4 guys spaced out being guarded normally, leaving a wide open lane with one defender playing 10 feet off of Simmons.

Then what?

You purposefully created a situation with Ben Simmons getting a head of steam going one on one with a big man. The guy who draws fouls at an elite rate because of the inability for bigs to defend him 1 on 1 in space. But to you this is somehow a win?

Apparently you think that scenario somehow puts Simmons at a disadvantage rather than an advantage, its adorable.

No, you are creating a situation where defenders are pressed up and way out of position except one left all alone, this wouldn't happen intentionally and you would rarely if ever see it happen. If you guard players on the perimeter conventionally sagging off Simmons would cut off driving lanes. But let's just say you see something like a gimmicky 4-1 zone happening, players are positioned in the high post, not way out in no man's land. I think you have clarified your position sufficiently...

[VeritasTri]

I think this thing will come to an end sometime between the timeline of when the Harden trade happened and when the Butler trade happened.

I guess it depends on how Simmons reacts. If he shows up to camp and is ready to play then it could drag out. If he truly doesnt want to be there and acts accordingly then I would be surprised if something isnt hashed out by the start of the season. With the lack of response from Simmons I have to believe theres plenty of fire with that smoke. But I wont pretend to know how he plans on going about everything, we will see.

[SO_MONEY]

Look at your previous two posts (“little bus” and “drooling”). You have lost the moral high ground to call anyone “childlike.”

You are perfectly capable of making good posts, but you seem to think it’s okay to make childish insults here and denigrate people on the board.

I hope you will stay and continue to keep posting because I appreciate the posts you make when you aren’t trolling. But enough already. This is a board with predominantly adult members, who prefer adult discourse. If you can’t respond to people disagreeing you (or apparently, even asking you to clarify) without insulting them, then you are in the wrong place.

Oh no, not the moral high ground

Maybe you should mind your own business rather than commenting on conversations between so_money and myself? Since you clearly are missing the context of previous conversations.

Let me ask you an honest adult question. Do you think So_moneys response of "what" was a good faith "asking for clarification" or an attempt to pose my logical explanation as nonsensical? If you think he wanted genuine discourse then maybe you should be on the bus with him.

You are correct, it was a rhetorical "what?". It didn't require an answer. Your post was confused and I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not, though it read as though it was your belief.

[KGdaBom]

You could make this exact post every time and it would be an improvement over what you currently contribute while accurately displaying your understanding. Maybe add "durrrrrrrrrrrrrr" and a drool emoji.

Okay, if you say so. But I am sure many people are equally confused by what you just posted.

Well, you guys can talk about it on your little bus ride home.

You have gone into the point of extreme rudeness, but I understand how he can drive you to be that way.

[KGdaBom]

When the kids on the short bus actually understand the purpose and effects of a sagging defense, what does that say about you...?

"The wheels on the bus go round and round"

Your childlike vision of the "purpose and effects of a sagging defense" gets sh*t on as soon as I suggest Simmons at the top with Towns/Edwards/Dlo/Mcdaniels spaced behind the 3pt line.

Look at your previous two posts (“little bus” and “drooling”). You have lost the moral high ground to call anyone “childlike.”

You are perfectly capable of making good posts, but you seem to think it’s okay to make childish insults here and denigrate people on the board.

I hope you will stay and continue to keep posting because I appreciate the posts you make when you aren’t trolling. But enough already. This is a board with predominantly adult members, who prefer adult discourse. If you can’t respond to people disagreeing you (or apparently, even asking you to clarify) without insulting them, then you are in the wrong place.

Shrink don't ignore how So Money is so irritating to drive people to that behavior. He is mean spirited and has no concept for what makes a basketball player actually good. His posts are extremely confrontational and he is so wrong. I had to put him on ignore because he was driving me crazy. After I did that he makes posts questioning my integrity.

[KGdaBom]

No it doesn't. Presumably thay are being guarded conventionally no one is sagging off them. You sag off Simmons and dare him to shoot because he can't or won't and position yourself to pick him up in areas he can hurt you. Do you even know what sagging defense is, at this point I have to ask?

Ok, so you have 4 guys spaced out being guarded normally, leaving a wide open lane with one defender playing 10 feet off of Simmons.

Then what?

You purposefully created a situation with Ben Simmons getting a head of steam going one on one with a big man. The guy who draws fouls at an elite rate because of the inability for bigs to defend him 1 on 1 in space. But to you this is somehow a win?

Apparently you think that scenario somehow puts Simmons at a disadvantage rather than an advantage, its adorable.

Very well explained. Even So Money should be able to grasp it.

[KGdaBom]

Look at your previous two posts (“little bus” and “drooling”). You have lost the moral high ground to call anyone “childlike.”

You are perfectly capable of making good posts, but you seem to think it’s okay to make childish insults here and denigrate people on the board.

I hope you will stay and continue to keep posting because I appreciate the posts you make when you aren’t trolling. But enough already. This is a board with predominantly adult members, who prefer adult discourse. If you can’t respond to people disagreeing you (or apparently, even asking you to clarify) without insulting them, then you are in the wrong place.

Oh no, not the moral high ground

Maybe you should mind your own business rather than commenting on conversations between so_money and myself? Since you clearly are missing the context of previous conversations.

Let me ask you an honest adult question. Do you think So_moneys response of "what" was a good faith "asking for clarification" or an attempt to pose my logical explanation as nonsensical? If you think he wanted genuine discourse then maybe you should be on the bus with him.

The bolded part was a very well explained defense of your rudeness to So Money. IMO you went too far lumping Shrink in with him. Don't let So Money get the best of you. Just put him on ignore like I have.

Shrink don't you see that So Money never debates in good faith?

[VeritasTri]

No, you are creating a situation where defenders are pressed up and way out of position except one left all alone, this wouldn't happen intentionally and you would rarely if ever see it happen. If you guard players on the perimeter conventionally sagging off Simmons would cut off driving lanes. But let's just say you see something like a gimmicky 4-1 zone happening, players are positioned in the high post, not way out in no man's land. I think you have clarified your position sufficiently...

Were not talking about other players driving lanes, were specifically talking about the ball in Simmons hands with 4 guys spaced. What magical creature is cutting off Simmons driving lanes while at the same time guarding their man at the 3 pt line?

Or are you making the tired argument that his being on the court takes away driving lanes for others while hes off ball? Because its well established that having a single non shooter doesnt destroy your offense or ability to drive the ball. Somehow every team in the NBA hasnt dumped their non shooting centers and PFs and are still able to function. The suns only made it to the finals with a non shooter, but lost to the Bucks with their superstar non shooter.

You have no position. Its just throwing out "muh driving lanes!" and "muh sagging defense!" without any backing. Seems to be your MO, make stupid statements and then when called out on them run away in the face of empirical and statistical evidence.

[SO_MONEY]

Your childlike vision of the "purpose and effects of a sagging defense" gets sh*t on as soon as I suggest Simmons at the top with Towns/Edwards/Dlo/Mcdaniels spaced behind the 3pt line.

Look at your previous two posts (“little bus” and “drooling”). You have lost the moral high ground to call anyone “childlike.”

You are perfectly capable of making good posts, but you seem to think it’s okay to make childish insults here and denigrate people on the board.

I hope you will stay and continue to keep posting because I appreciate the posts you make when you aren’t trolling. But enough already. This is a board with predominantly adult members, who prefer adult discourse. If you can’t respond to people disagreeing you (or apparently, even asking you to clarify) without insulting them, then you are in the wrong place.

Shrink don't ignore how So Money is so irritating to drive people to that behavior. He is mean spirited and has no concept for what makes a basketball player actually good. His posts are extremely confrontational and he is so wrong. I had to put him on ignore because he was driving me crazy. After I did that he makes posts questioning my integrity.

A guy makes a completely incorrect post and the only jab I take is a rhetorical "what?"...I don't name call or need to dwell on it further. That is nice for internet standards, but if that drives you or anyone crazy I really can't fix that unfortunately.

[SO_MONEY]

No, you are creating a situation where defenders are pressed up and way out of position except one left all alone, this wouldn't happen intentionally and you would rarely if ever see it happen. If you guard players on the perimeter conventionally sagging off Simmons would cut off driving lanes. But let's just say you see something like a gimmicky 4-1 zone happening, players are positioned in the high post, not way out in no man's land. I think you have clarified your position sufficiently...

Were not talking about other players driving lanes, were specifically talking about the ball in Simmons hands with 4 guys spaced. What magical creature is cutting off Simmons driving lanes while at the same time guarding their man at the 3 pt line?

Or are you making the tired argument that his being on the court takes away driving lanes for others while hes off ball? Because its well established that having a single non shooter doesnt destroy your offense or ability to drive the ball. Somehow every team in the NBA hasnt dumped their non shooting centers and PFs and are still able to function. The suns only made it to the finals with a non shooter, but lost to the Bucks with their superstar non shooter.

You have no position. Its just throwing out "muh driving lanes!" and "muh sagging defense!" without any backing. Seems to be your MO, make stupid statements and then when called out on them run away in the face of empirical and statistical evidence.

If you think you can't play the perimeter and driving lanes at the same time...okay...but you can. It is how you play defense.