Why isn’t there a thread on Bronny?

[Big J]

Bronny is like the ultimate underdog. No matter what he does he gets relentless hate.

Where is the hate exactly? It seems like the most critical of people with him say he is a guy that should be ranked in the 30s-40s (which he still is on some recruiting services) and that he doesnt have the game of a top 10 pick because he is a 6'3 2 guard who doesnt have a half court game on offense.

Like honestly are the critiques that have been brought up in this thread legit or not?

Does Bronny have a great first step or lateral agility?
Does Bronny have a dynamic handle?
Does Bronny show an ability to create shots in the half court?

Here's the hate:

because he sucks and isn't an NBA prospect

[Duke4life831]

Bronny is like the ultimate underdog. No matter what he does he gets relentless hate.

Where is the hate exactly? It seems like the most critical of people with him say he is a guy that should be ranked in the 30s-40s (which he still is on some recruiting services) and that he doesnt have the game of a top 10 pick because he is a 6'3 2 guard who doesnt have a half court game on offense.

Like honestly are the critiques that have been brought up in this thread legit or not?

Does Bronny have a great first step or lateral agility?
Does Bronny have a dynamic handle?
Does Bronny show an ability to create shots in the half court?

Here's the hate:

because he sucks and isn't an NBA prospect

Okay you answered one part of my post, how bout the rest?

[Big J]

Where is the hate exactly? It seems like the most critical of people with him say he is a guy that should be ranked in the 30s-40s (which he still is on some recruiting services) and that he doesnt have the game of a top 10 pick because he is a 6'3 2 guard who doesnt have a half court game on offense.

Like honestly are the critiques that have been brought up in this thread legit or not?

Does Bronny have a great first step or lateral agility?
Does Bronny have a dynamic handle?
Does Bronny show an ability to create shots in the half court?

Here's the hate:

because he sucks and isn't an NBA prospect

Okay you answered one part of my post, how bout the rest?

The rest are parts of his game that he hasn't developed yet. I won't deny that they are legit critiques, because they are. It's just crazy the amount of vitriol that guys have towards him.

[BostonCouchGM]

Bronny is like the ultimate underdog. No matter what he does he gets relentless hate.

Where is the hate exactly? It seems like the most critical of people with him say he is a guy that should be ranked in the 30s-40s (which he still is on some recruiting services) and that he doesnt have the game of a top 10 pick because he is a 6'3 2 guard who doesnt have a half court game on offense.

Like honestly are the critiques that have been brought up in this thread legit or not?

Does Bronny have a great first step or lateral agility?
Does Bronny have a dynamic handle?
Does Bronny show an ability to create shots in the half court?

His first step is fine, athletically speaking. He’s had limited opportunities being stuck standing outside the 3 pt line. Obviously since he’s a good defender his lateral agility is good

Nope. Handle needs work as does most everyone at that age

He’s not really been given the chance to show that much or develop that but I’ve seen flashes of it especially in PnR

[Duke4life831]

Bronny is like the ultimate underdog. No matter what he does he gets relentless hate.

Where is the hate exactly? It seems like the most critical of people with him say he is a guy that should be ranked in the 30s-40s (which he still is on some recruiting services) and that he doesnt have the game of a top 10 pick because he is a 6'3 2 guard who doesnt have a half court game on offense.

Like honestly are the critiques that have been brought up in this thread legit or not?

Does Bronny have a great first step or lateral agility?
Does Bronny have a dynamic handle?
Does Bronny show an ability to create shots in the half court?

His first step is fine, athletically speaking. He’s had limited opportunities being stuck standing outside the 3 pt line. Obviously since he’s a good defender his lateral agility is good

Nope. Handle needs work as does most everyone at that age

He’s not really been given the chance to show that much or develop that but I’ve seen flashes of it especially in PnR

Compared to the other elite guards, his first step is below theirs.

His handle is drastically far behind the other guards in the class. And how many guys that don’t have a dynamic handle by college end to having one in the pros?

I also don’t understand the “he’s had limited opportunities because he’s been stuck behind the 3pt line” and he hasn’t had the chance to show off an ability to score in the half court.

I’m not talking about just things from last night. I’m talking Bronny for all of high school. He has been given plenty of opportunities to show a more advanced half court game, he just doesn’t have it.

And again most guys that aren’t dynamic in the half court in high school, tend not to become those players in college and in the NBA.

[azcatz11]

There's a serious problem when you're using attributes like:

Poise
Good shooter
Hard worker
Feel of the game

To describe a potential lotto pick. Especially a player of his size.

He needs to have top 5% athleticism and / or be an incredible shooter. He possesses neither.

If he wasn't Lebrons' son he would clearly be a 3*

[Big J]

Where is the hate exactly? It seems like the most critical of people with him say he is a guy that should be ranked in the 30s-40s (which he still is on some recruiting services) and that he doesnt have the game of a top 10 pick because he is a 6'3 2 guard who doesnt have a half court game on offense.

Like honestly are the critiques that have been brought up in this thread legit or not?

Does Bronny have a great first step or lateral agility?
Does Bronny have a dynamic handle?
Does Bronny show an ability to create shots in the half court?

His first step is fine, athletically speaking. He’s had limited opportunities being stuck standing outside the 3 pt line. Obviously since he’s a good defender his lateral agility is good

Nope. Handle needs work as does most everyone at that age

He’s not really been given the chance to show that much or develop that but I’ve seen flashes of it especially in PnR

Compared to the other elite guards, his first step is below theirs.

His handle is drastically far behind the other guards in the class. And how many guys that don’t have a dynamic handle by college end to having one in the pros?

I also don’t understand the “he’s had limited opportunities because he’s been stuck behind the 3pt line” and he hasn’t had the chance to show off an ability to score in the half court.

I’m not talking about just things from last night. I’m talking Bronny for all of high school. He has been given plenty of opportunities to show a more advanced half court game, he just doesn’t have it.

And again most guys that aren’t dynamic in the half court in high school, tend not to become those players in college and in the NBA.

His dad wasn't dynamic in the half court until after he lost the Mavs series and worked on his shooting and post moves.

[BostonCouchGM]

If you're not impressed with what he did tonight you're lyin'. Dude's jumper is so **** wet.

if you'd ever watched bronny, it's the same bronny we've seen. below average defensively, can't make any plays off the bounce, can't get by anybody, lacks quickness, basically just shot and hit mostly open threes. as great of a leaper as he is, which might be his best attribute, he has trouble getting on top of the rim in games. but he made some crazy dunks in warmups!

having said all that, of course bostoncouchgm is right - he is just 18 - there is still a lot of room for improvement in his game. it would be silly to write him off completely but i see a second round level talent at most. i hope i'm wrong.

He’s widely considered one of the better defensive guards in the draft.

Here’s a bunch of him dunking in game

Watch on YouTube

There’s plenty of evidence of him play-making, taking guys off the dribble, scoring at the basket and off the dribble. It wasn’t how he was utilized but it’s there if you need to see flashes

Watch on YouTube

I just assume at tge point that detractors simply haven’t watched him play much if at all.

As far as him proving these people wrong, imho he should go to a school that plays him at PG instead of a loaded squad which will make it easier for them to play him off ball due to his shooting, like it’d be if he goes to play along Collier as rumored. Collier has NBA all-star upside so Bronny not playing PG if he was on Collier’s team isn’t a knock. But if he chose that path he’d embracing an off-ball role like Bane. If he runs his own team he has at least a chance to develop his handle, playmaking and might end up a combo guard in the same vein as Jrue or Smart

[Big J]

Huge news about him going to USC. Discuss.

[Duke4life831]

Good landing spot for him. Wont have any on ball duties with Collier and Ellis being there. So he gets to focus on his off ball duties which is good for him.

[TheSuzerain]

USC going to flip Bradshaw?

[Duke4life831]

USC going to flip Bradshaw?

I know Andrew Slater was pushing that rumor yesterday. I personally doubt it happens though.

[babyjax13]

Even I said he was borderline 3-4 star. I'll admit that was too extreme. Most places don't star giving 3 stars out until like 125 or so in their rankings. Bronny is better than that.

But I think without his name, he's probably somewhere between 70-90 in his class. And in all honesty someone who really isn't someone we talk about on here. Because the majority of those guys ranked in that area don't make NBA and the ones that do, most are 3-4 year college guys.

Like I stated before I don't see anything stand out about his game at the moment.

Yes, I think this is an issue of expectation. 5-star prospects should be looked at as likely NBA draft picks. 4-star prospects should be looked at as kids that have a more than even chance of being solid starters in college. If you told me Bronny wasn't going to grow, and only developed the parts of his game that he's strong in now, but went on to be a solid but unspectacular starter for ...UCLA... for four years (absent any relation to LeBron) that wouldn't seem preposterous to me at all.

My thoughts really have not changed.

[Duke4life831]

Even I said he was borderline 3-4 star. I'll admit that was too extreme. Most places don't star giving 3 stars out until like 125 or so in their rankings. Bronny is better than that.

But I think without his name, he's probably somewhere between 70-90 in his class. And in all honesty someone who really isn't someone we talk about on here. Because the majority of those guys ranked in that area don't make NBA and the ones that do, most are 3-4 year college guys.

Like I stated before I don't see anything stand out about his game at the moment.

Yes, I think this is an issue of expectation. 5-star prospects should be looked at as likely NBA draft picks. 4-star prospects should be looked at as kids that have a more than even chance of being solid starters in college. If you told me Bronny wasn't going to grow, and only developed the parts of his game that he's strong in now, but went on to be a solid but unspectacular starter for ...UCLA... for four years (absent any relation to LeBron) that wouldn't seem preposterous to me at all.

My thoughts really have not changed.

Yup. Like Ive said multiple times, I dont see a big difference between him and Tre Norman. Bronny is the more explosive leaper, but everywhere else athletically I dont see any difference. I think Norman is more agile with the ball in his hands. Norman is the same size, Norman is a really good defender and is a good shooter. Very similar level prospects in my opinion. I think Norman most likely is going to have a very solid-good 4 year college career at Marquette.

[babyjax13]

Yes, I think this is an issue of expectation. 5-star prospects should be looked at as likely NBA draft picks. 4-star prospects should be looked at as kids that have a more than even chance of being solid starters in college. If you told me Bronny wasn't going to grow, and only developed the parts of his game that he's strong in now, but went on to be a solid but unspectacular starter for ...UCLA... for four years (absent any relation to LeBron) that wouldn't seem preposterous to me at all.

My thoughts really have not changed.

Yup. Like Ive said multiple times, I dont see a big difference between him and Tre Norman. Bronny is the more explosive leaper, but everywhere else athletically I dont see any difference. I think Norman is more agile with the ball in his hands. Norman is the same size, Norman is a really good defender and is a good shooter. Very similar level prospects in my opinion. I think Norman most likely is going to have a very solid-good 4 year college career at Marquette.

To the NBA his path is basically to be a player in the Patrick Beverley mold. Defend well, take and make a reasonable amount of open shots, move the ball when not open, don't overdribble. To be honest, I think he can do that, but I don't think his skillset is one that will pop at any level.

[clyde21]

Bronny's hops are being highly overrated, he can jump obviously and is a + athlete. but some people are talking about him like he's Jalen Green or something

he's way more of a 1 foot guy than a two feet guy too which is fine but it makes him more speed to power and has to get a running start to really ramp up his athleticism

lack of handle + lack of an explosive first step + no outlier physical tools and a lack of discernable playmaking chops is gonna relegate him as what is essentially a 6-2 3nD wing...he's gonna have to be a legit 40%+ 3pt shooter, that's really his only path to league other than his name.

also not sure if he's even gonna start for USC with Boogie/Collier in the back court and likely Kobe J at 3.

[Big J]

He's definitely gonna start for USC. Klutch will probably do everything in their power to destroy the coach's career if he doesn't start Bronny.

[SeattleJazzFan]

he may start, though i would bet against it, but nobody can force him to play well. high level d1 ball will prove too much for him as a frosh.

[Duke4life831]

He's definitely gonna start for USC. Klutch will probably do everything in their power to destroy the coach's career if he doesn't start Bronny.

If he starts then USC is going to have probably one of if not the smallest starting lineups for all of the power conference schools

Collier: 6'3
Boogie: 6'3
Bronny: 6'3
Kobe: 6'5

That is a tiny 1-4, especially 3-4.

[deepeeenn]

Curious, is Bronny a trade asset?

Does a team that’s in position to draft him see him more as a trade asset if the idea is that he could help bring Lebron to the team that hold his draft rights?

Realistically, could you see a team doing that?