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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#361 » by youOK » Thu May 29, 2025 12:40 am

Infinite Llamas wrote:I hope Giannis doesn’t get traded…because it would most likely be to the west and the last thing we need is another star defecting to the west. The balance of star power between the east and west is so lopsided right now it isn’t even funny.

Jordan/Shaq/Pip/Reggie/Zo/Ewing/Dominique/Penny and Grant Hill…the early 90’s were the last time when the east was stacked.


yet the east actually had more all-nba first team members and more all-nba members overall. I actually think it is closer then people give credit for because many of the western stars are pasts their peak / declining.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#362 » by Packbuckman » Thu May 29, 2025 3:44 am

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Come on now,say the Spurs offer

Castle
Vassell
Keldon

2025 Spurs 1st (#2-Dylan Harper)
2026 Atlanta 1st Swap
2027 Atlanta 1st Unprotected
2028 Boston 1st (protected #1)
2030 Dallas/Minessota 1st (most favourable swap)
2031 Sacramento 1st Swap


Plus 11 second round picks availlabe to add if necessary

You really think the Bucks say no?
To an offer that makes them young,set at backcourt for 10 years,financially viable,plus gives them drafting options for their future?

Just cause a team like the Spurs prefer to content organically and last for a decade instead of a 3 year window with Giannis,doesn't mean that no team has the assets...

But you can't really tell me that in the summer of 2027 the Bucks will be a better team with Giannis instead of that trade package...


Giannis by himself is better than that in 2027. If the Spurs had the #1 pick maybe it would be more interesting but I do not want the Rutgers players I think they will bust so this #2 is not worth much to me. Castle, Vassell, Keldon don’t convey at value to me. The other picks are mediocre. That Bucks team is not a contender and has no path to becoming one. There is no one in the NBA with the assets needed, give us a future MVP and franchise player otherwise no. I have no interest in a lukewarm return, it has to be the most obscene and crippling package in NBA history otherwise the Bucks should just try to retool around Giannis best they can.


If MIL decides to rebuild they will want to get their picks and swaps back, provided that isn’t too costly.

The problem is MIL has NOTHING that might be more valuable than those picks unless as part of a 3 team deal to bring in assets.

MIL is in a tough place. Will be interesting to see how they navigate it.

The bucks still have a 1st rd pick next year even if it’s a swap the bucks with Giannis will be a playoff team next year and going forward with him so swap away. Lopez will likely be gone or back on a team friendly deal to retire as a buck. When Doc finally went younger in playoffs with shooters around Giannis they held their own against the pacers who have beat everyone else since so the bucks are not far from competing against the rest of the east and that’s all Giannis wants and he knows that going forward.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#363 » by Sane » Thu May 29, 2025 5:13 am

Bucks fans actually want to say none of these assets is worth anything:

- 4-pick packages from any of the interested teams
- #2 pick
- The current ROY
- Amen Thompson who has had a better offensive and defensive second NBA season than Giannis' second season
- Sengun a 22 year old all star

Saying all these things are worthless and they suck is just proving that you're emotional. No one believes that. Celtics won a title without an MVP. No Thunder or Pacers player was seen as a sure fire MVP in their first couple of seasons. Nor was Giannis btw.

The pitch to Giannis is a tragedy: "You kinda like Doc Rivers and in the only season that the East is going to weaken, we're going to re-tool with our almost non-existent assets. Then when the East bounces back, we're going to try to win a title with Doc Rivers, 33 year old Giannis and post-Achilles mid-30's Lillard as the core."

Come on now. Have a little self worth. You can rebuild excellently, you're not lesser than other small market teams. Stop being so shallow about staying relevant for a couple of seasons. You go through a tiny bit of hardship and get back on your feet faster than you think.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#364 » by Packbuckman » Thu May 29, 2025 11:37 am

Sane wrote:Bucks fans actually want to say none of these assets is worth anything:

- 4-pick packages from any of the interested teams
- #2 pick
- The current ROY
- Amen Thompson who has had a better offensive and defensive second NBA season than Giannis' second season
- Sengun a 22 year old all star

Saying all these things are worthless and they suck is just proving that you're emotional. No one believes that. Celtics won a title without an MVP. No Thunder or Pacers player was seen as a sure fire MVP in their first couple of seasons. Nor was Giannis btw.

The pitch to Giannis is a tragedy: "You kinda like Doc Rivers and in the only season that the East is going to weaken, we're going to re-tool with our almost non-existent assets. Then when the East bounces back, we're going to try to win a title with Doc Rivers, 33 year old Giannis and post-Achilles mid-30's Lillard as the core."

Come on now. Have a little self worth. You can rebuild excellently, you're not lesser than other small market teams. Stop being so shallow about staying relevant for a couple of seasons. You go through a tiny bit of hardship and get back on your feet faster than you think.

I went through the Kareem trade we got some very good players for him and was competitive but never a championship again till Giannis came along 50 yrs later. Who cares if we lose in the 1st or 2nd rd most bucks fans don’t if you not winning it all **** trading Giannis he is worth more to this city than anything anyone can offer period.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#365 » by druggas » Thu May 29, 2025 12:12 pm

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Sane wrote:Bucks fans actually want to say none of these assets is worth anything:

- 4-pick packages from any of the interested teams
- #2 pick
- The current ROY
- Amen Thompson who has had a better offensive and defensive second NBA season than Giannis' second season
- Sengun a 22 year old all star

Saying all these things are worthless and they suck is just proving that you're emotional. No one believes that. Celtics won a title without an MVP. No Thunder or Pacers player was seen as a sure fire MVP in their first couple of seasons. Nor was Giannis btw.

The pitch to Giannis is a tragedy: "You kinda like Doc Rivers and in the only season that the East is going to weaken, we're going to re-tool with our almost non-existent assets. Then when the East bounces back, we're going to try to win a title with Doc Rivers, 33 year old Giannis and post-Achilles mid-30's Lillard as the core."

Come on now. Have a little self worth. You can rebuild excellently, you're not lesser than other small market teams. Stop being so shallow about staying relevant for a couple of seasons. You go through a tiny bit of hardship and get back on your feet faster than you think.

I went through the Kareem trade we got some very good players for him and was competitive but never a championship again till Giannis came along 50 yrs later. Who cares if we lose in the 1st or 2nd rd most bucks fans don’t if you not winning it all **** trading Giannis he is worth more to this city than anything anyone can offer period.

You weren't winning it all again with Kareem and an old Oscar Robertson.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#366 » by JayMKE » Thu May 29, 2025 4:09 pm

Sane wrote:Bucks fans actually want to say none of these assets is worth anything:

- 4-pick packages from any of the interested teams
- #2 pick
- The current ROY
- Amen Thompson who has had a better offensive and defensive second NBA season than Giannis' second season
- Sengun a 22 year old all star

Saying all these things are worthless and they suck is just proving that you're emotional. No one believes that. Celtics won a title without an MVP. No Thunder or Pacers player was seen as a sure fire MVP in their first couple of seasons. Nor was Giannis btw.

The pitch to Giannis is a tragedy: "You kinda like Doc Rivers and in the only season that the East is going to weaken, we're going to re-tool with our almost non-existent assets. Then when the East bounces back, we're going to try to win a title with Doc Rivers, 33 year old Giannis and post-Achilles mid-30's Lillard as the core."

Come on now. Have a little self worth. You can rebuild excellently, you're not lesser than other small market teams. Stop being so shallow about staying relevant for a couple of seasons. You go through a tiny bit of hardship and get back on your feet faster than you think.



lol get over it dude. Giannis is a perennial MVP candidate and top 15 player all time. Bucks will hold on to Giannis until he retires, he will be a 1 team player like Dirk & Duncan. So he is much better than all of those things.

Sengun is fool’s gold player that you can’t win with, Castle is MCW high usage player who can’t shoot who got ROTY because others got hurt, the Rutgers players will bust, Amen Thompson’s potential is super roleplayer rather than MVP. Also going to throw in that Reed Sheppard is going to be a major bust and that the Rockets “window” is nonexistent with the talent they have.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#367 » by CIN-C-STAR » Thu May 29, 2025 6:37 pm

JayMKE wrote:
Sane wrote:Bucks fans actually want to say none of these assets is worth anything:

- 4-pick packages from any of the interested teams
- #2 pick
- The current ROY
- Amen Thompson who has had a better offensive and defensive second NBA season than Giannis' second season
- Sengun a 22 year old all star

Saying all these things are worthless and they suck is just proving that you're emotional. No one believes that. Celtics won a title without an MVP. No Thunder or Pacers player was seen as a sure fire MVP in their first couple of seasons. Nor was Giannis btw.

The pitch to Giannis is a tragedy: "You kinda like Doc Rivers and in the only season that the East is going to weaken, we're going to re-tool with our almost non-existent assets. Then when the East bounces back, we're going to try to win a title with Doc Rivers, 33 year old Giannis and post-Achilles mid-30's Lillard as the core."

Come on now. Have a little self worth. You can rebuild excellently, you're not lesser than other small market teams. Stop being so shallow about staying relevant for a couple of seasons. You go through a tiny bit of hardship and get back on your feet faster than you think.



lol get over it dude. Giannis is a perennial MVP candidate and top 15 player all time. Bucks will hold on to Giannis until he retires, he will be a 1 team player like Dirk & Duncan. So he is much better than all of those things.

Sengun is fool’s gold player that you can’t win with, Castle is MCW high usage player who can’t shoot who got ROTY because others got hurt, the Rutgers players will bust, Amen Thompson’s potential is super roleplayer rather than MVP. Also going to throw in that Reed Sheppard is going to be a major bust and that the Rockets “window” is nonexistent with the talent they have.


I actually hope Giannis does stay in Milwaukee for the rest of his career, and am fine with the Spurs drafting Harper and building organically.
But Sengun isn't fools gold he had a rough start to the series but then played well late in the series, after leading his team to the #2 seed. Not bad for a still very young player. I don't think he's a future MVP but I wouldn't call him fools gold either.
Also Castle is way better than Michael Carter Williams that's just a dumb take. His shooting needs work but he's already shown an ability to finish and get to the line far beyond anything MCW ever showed.
Saying Harper will bust is also a pretty bad take tbh. It could happen, but again, he can get to the basket and finish, and he's a promising passer and from NBA stock. Whether or not he puts the work in on his shot will determine his ceiling but I don't think he will bust tbh unless he just has maturity issues or character concerns I haven't heard about.
Also Amen showed a lot more potential in the playoffs than just a role player. His handle and finishing are both very promising, and obviously he's a ridiculous athlete.
I agree about Reed Sheppard though I'm not really buying the hype on him. But while I doubt any of these other guys will approach Giannis' peak, that peak is almost over and these are real guys with All Star potential that teams covet.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#368 » by Packbuckman » Thu May 29, 2025 6:50 pm

druggas wrote:
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Sane wrote:Bucks fans actually want to say none of these assets is worth anything:

- 4-pick packages from any of the interested teams
- #2 pick
- The current ROY
- Amen Thompson who has had a better offensive and defensive second NBA season than Giannis' second season
- Sengun a 22 year old all star

Saying all these things are worthless and they suck is just proving that you're emotional. No one believes that. Celtics won a title without an MVP. No Thunder or Pacers player was seen as a sure fire MVP in their first couple of seasons. Nor was Giannis btw.

The pitch to Giannis is a tragedy: "You kinda like Doc Rivers and in the only season that the East is going to weaken, we're going to re-tool with our almost non-existent assets. Then when the East bounces back, we're going to try to win a title with Doc Rivers, 33 year old Giannis and post-Achilles mid-30's Lillard as the core."

Come on now. Have a little self worth. You can rebuild excellently, you're not lesser than other small market teams. Stop being so shallow about staying relevant for a couple of seasons. You go through a tiny bit of hardship and get back on your feet faster than you think.

I went through the Kareem trade we got some very good players for him and was competitive but never a championship again till Giannis came along 50 yrs later. Who cares if we lose in the 1st or 2nd rd most bucks fans don’t if you not winning it all **** trading Giannis he is worth more to this city than anything anyone can offer period.

You weren't winning it all again with Kareem and an old Oscar Robertson.

Not with Oscar he was old when we got him but who knows who they draft since they had their own picks having the best player always gives you a chance. But Kareem wanted to leave so that’s a whole different thing all together him and Giannis are two totally different people Kareem was from the big city.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#369 » by CIN-C-STAR » Thu May 29, 2025 7:12 pm

Packbuckman wrote:
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Packbuckman wrote:I went through the Kareem trade we got some very good players for him and was competitive but never a championship again till Giannis came along 50 yrs later. Who cares if we lose in the 1st or 2nd rd most bucks fans don’t if you not winning it all **** trading Giannis he is worth more to this city than anything anyone can offer period.

You weren't winning it all again with Kareem and an old Oscar Robertson.

Not with Oscar he was old when we got him but who knows who they draft since they had their own picks having the best player always gives you a chance. But Kareem wanted to leave so that’s a whole different thing all together him and Giannis are two totally different people Kareem was from the big city.


it’s also a different time now. I don’t want to disparage the great city of Milwaukee but I’d imagine being a rich, young black man there now is quite a bit better than it was in the 70s.
And then there’s the fact that players can jump on private jets now and go wherever they want during their down time. Playing in Milwaukee doesn’t mean being in Milwaukee like it used to.
Though I know Giannis loves Milwaukee and is present there quite a bit. He and Kareem are very different personalities like you said.
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Post#370 » by JayMKE » Thu May 29, 2025 7:17 pm

Kareem and Giannis are about as polar opposite of personalities as possible.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#371 » by Kobe187 » Thu May 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Giannis needs to get the F outta Milwaukee that franchise won’t recover for several years post doc rivers.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#372 » by Dick Tate » Fri May 30, 2025 12:06 am

Sane wrote:Saying all these things are worthless and they suck is just proving that you're emotional.

They didn't say that so I guess that proves you're emotional.

Sane wrote:Come on now. Have a little self worth.

Indeed! :lol:
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#373 » by NotAKnicksFan » Sat May 31, 2025 1:35 am

Giannis to boston in a 3-4 team trade you heard it here first
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#374 » by doogie_hauser » Sat May 31, 2025 2:05 am

Under no circumstances will the Spurs trade Castle in any potential Giannis trade, pick 2, Vassel, Barnes and a few more FRPs and future pick swaps would be the core of that trade.

I think he stays at The Bucks though
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Post#375 » by Celts17Pride » Sat May 31, 2025 3:10 am

Giannis is stringing this alone to put pressure on the Bucks front office. Giannis is staying in Milwaukee.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#376 » by Packbuckman » Sat May 31, 2025 1:06 pm

doogie_hauser wrote:Under no circumstances will the Spurs trade Castle in any potential Giannis trade, pick 2, Vassel, Barnes and a few more FRPs and future pick swaps would be the core of that trade.

I think he stays at The Bucks though

Well ya with that **** offer the bucks are hanging up the phone lol
And yes Giannis is not going anywhere but all the media can make their predictions where he is going I am sure Giannis is laughing at it all I sure am :lol:
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Post#377 » by jbk1234 » Sat May 31, 2025 1:32 pm

If the Rockets make an offer with Amen Thompson in it, and the Bucks turn it down, they'll regret it.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#378 » by mattg » Sat May 31, 2025 1:41 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Giannis is stringing this alone to put pressure on the Bucks front office. Giannis is staying in Milwaukee.

Also, this idea that Giannis could be traded gives more value to the Bucks future first round pick that they can trade. If teams think that Giannis might leave, that future 1st unprotected could be a top pick that a team wants to get control of. The Bucks have employed this strategy in the past to be able to make big trades with picks that no one around the NBA thought they had enough assets to pull off. Not a single person thought the Bucks had the assets to trade for Dame. The media also didn't think the Bucks would be able to make the move for Jrue Holiday, just saying that Giannis needed to leave after the playoff failures of Eric Bledsoe and there wasn't an avenue for the team to get better.

Additionally, as I've said in the other threads, the packages from Houston and SAS just aren't good. The players they are offering are legit not that good. SAS want to offer all their non Fox/Wemby pieces and act like its something, that grouping WITH Wemby is a dogcrap lotto squad, so trying to pitch Milwaukee that dudes like KJ, Vassell, Sochan are useful pieces for Milwaukee is hilarious. Those dudes literally cannot even win games with Wemby on their team, and they are gonna come to Milwaukee with worse talent and worse coaching around them and do anything but absolutely suck? The #2 pick is fools gold in this draft, it's a 1 player draft, #2 might as well be #7, same exact quality of player in either spot. It's not a bad asset obviously, but it's also not centerpiece of a Giannis trade level of asset.

Houston's offer is utter trash. Both Thompson and Sengun are fools gold players as the centerpiece in a Giannis trade. Amen is a nice piece for a team, but he is being MASSIVELY overrated. Not since Luol Deng was in year 2 has a young dude been so overhyped. Thompson's upside is a #3 on a contender, AND you will have to build the roster to compensate for him being an atrocious shooter. He's not going to be a top scorer with absolutely zero shooting ability whatsoever where even if he improves massively as a shooter, that will just make him maybe mediocre in that regard. Sengun is a total trap of a player. He's not good enough of a scorer to justify getting the usage he gets, but if he's not getting that usage what is the point of him on the court? A lot of Domantas Sabonis in Sengun, he's not a total scrub, but he's a super awkward fit anywhere and exceedingly hard to build a contending roster around him as a main piece (which is why Houston is willing to get rid of him for Giannis). Again, not close to a Giannis centerpiece.

If the Bucks trade Giannis they need 1 legit franchise potential piece coming back if the deal isn't also them regaining control of their own picks. Neither team can offer that.
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Re: Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team 

Post#379 » by JShuttlesworth » Sat May 31, 2025 2:16 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Giannis is stringing this alone to put pressure on the Bucks front office. Giannis is staying in Milwaukee.


Put pressure on them to do what exactly?
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Post#380 » by Sixers in 4 » Sat May 31, 2025 2:41 pm

He is still leaving just a question of when.

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