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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#361 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Sep 25, 2025 2:21 pm

Puff wrote:You Freaking guys just masquerade as fans of the Phoenix Suns. All you want to do is either acquire a player that we do not have and cannot get or doesn't fit a position of need at this time. You hope our players get better this year so that we can flip them for someone better. Why not hope for success from every player? So we can watch a team that is fun to support. This is virtually a brand-new team with new leadership. At this point they are undefeated.

Why not take a deep breath and enjoy what we have. I watched the presser today and enjoyed every minute of it. Will it turn into a good team or another Shyt show? Who knows.

We currently have 3 7 footers on the roster along with 6'10" OS0. If Ainge would want any of those guys I expect we would make the trade.

What did we actually do, this summer, that prevents us from acquiring Kessler?


I like our guys fine man. I'm just reflecting on the irony of the situation because he was a center that I really wanted last season prior to our Richards trade and the follow up Maluach draft and Williams trade too.

And at that time his skillset was ideal for our needs with his ability to block shots and hit threes too. But back then, Ainge wanted a haul for him in trade, something like two 1sts and a young prospect back, and now he's just letting him go for nothing but cap space.

We gave up two 1sts for an injury riddled Mark Williams, and also drafted Maluach with the same skillset as Walker. All these series of events playing out like this, I just find rather ironic ( all things considered). :wink:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#362 » by Saberestar » Thu Sep 25, 2025 3:56 pm

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Puff wrote:You Freaking guys just masquerade as fans of the Phoenix Suns. All you want to do is either acquire a player that we do not have and cannot get or doesn't fit a position of need at this time. You hope our players get better this year so that we can flip them for someone better. Why not hope for success from every player? So we can watch a team that is fun to support. This is virtually a brand-new team with new leadership. At this point they are undefeated.

Why not take a deep breath and enjoy what we have. I watched the presser today and enjoyed every minute of it. Will it turn into a good team or another Shyt show? Who knows.

We currently have 3 7 footers on the roster along with 6'10" OS0. If Ainge would want any of those guys I expect we would make the trade.

What did we actually do, this summer, that prevents us from acquiring Kessler?


I like our guys fine man. I'm just reflecting on the irony of the situation because he was a center that I really wanted last season prior to our Richards trade and the follow up Maluach draft and Williams trade too.

And at that time his skillset was ideal for our needs with his ability to block shots and hit threes too. But back then, Ainge wanted a haul for him in trade, something like two 1sts and a young prospect back, and now he's just letting him go for nothing but cap space.

We gave up two 1sts for an injury riddled Mark Williams, and also drafted Maluach with the same skillset as Walker. All these series of events playing out like this, I just find rather ironic ( all things considered). :wink:

We gave up two SUPERLATE 1st round picks.

We got Mark Williams AND a 2029 2nd for Vasilije Micic, the No. 29 overall pick (Liam McNeely) and 2029 first-round pick, which will be the least-favorable of picks from the Suns, Cavaliers and Timberwolves (top-five protected).

Mark Williams is better than Kessler but everyone knows that it's just about health. This is a low risk-high reward move because we didn't give up a lot and if he stays relatively healthy he will be a Top 10 C in the league for years to come.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#363 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Sep 25, 2025 8:50 pm

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Puff wrote:You Freaking guys just masquerade as fans of the Phoenix Suns. All you want to do is either acquire a player that we do not have and cannot get or doesn't fit a position of need at this time. You hope our players get better this year so that we can flip them for someone better. Why not hope for success from every player? So we can watch a team that is fun to support. This is virtually a brand-new team with new leadership. At this point they are undefeated.

Why not take a deep breath and enjoy what we have. I watched the presser today and enjoyed every minute of it. Will it turn into a good team or another Shyt show? Who knows.

We currently have 3 7 footers on the roster along with 6'10" OS0. If Ainge would want any of those guys I expect we would make the trade.

What did we actually do, this summer, that prevents us from acquiring Kessler?


I like our guys fine man. I'm just reflecting on the irony of the situation because he was a center that I really wanted last season prior to our Richards trade and the follow up Maluach draft and Williams trade too.

And at that time his skillset was ideal for our needs with his ability to block shots and hit threes too. But back then, Ainge wanted a haul for him in trade, something like two 1sts and a young prospect back, and now he's just letting him go for nothing but cap space.

We gave up two 1sts for an injury riddled Mark Williams, and also drafted Maluach with the same skillset as Walker. All these series of events playing out like this, I just find rather ironic ( all things considered). :wink:

We gave up two SUPERLATE 1st round picks.

We got Mark Williams AND a 2029 2nd for Vasilije Micic, the No. 29 overall pick (Liam McNeely) and 2029 first-round pick, which will be the least-favorable of picks from the Suns, Cavaliers and Timberwolves (top-five protected).

Mark Williams is better than Kessler but everyone knows that it's just about health. This is a low risk-high reward move because we didn't give up a lot and if he stays relatively healthy he will be a Top 10 C in the league for years to come.


Yes, Mark Williams is very good.............. WHEN HE ACTUALLY PLAYS!!!!!

Have you ever heard the saying that the best ability is availability. As obviously you're not contributing anything to the stat sheet or winning if you're in street clothes and sitting on the bench.

Also, some other factors to consider in this comparison between Williams and Walker:

1- Durability issues (referenced).
2- contract extension/ resigning amount/ etc.
3- which player can actually shoot threes (as is an important factor in today's NBA climate).
4- Age/ development potential.

I like Mark Williams just fine. But considering our current situation in having no viable assets for trade (draft picks) the incurred cost of his looming extension and its impact on our cap situation too, which player do you think would have greater value in free agency?

More important is the consideration in the assets we gave up for Williams and with Kessler, would only have to be giving up cap space whilst KEEPING those surrendered picks as well.

Which scenario would you consider more favorable for our team projection long term man? Hindsight not always being 20/20.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#364 » by Saberestar » Thu Sep 25, 2025 9:08 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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I like our guys fine man. I'm just reflecting on the irony of the situation because he was a center that I really wanted last season prior to our Richards trade and the follow up Maluach draft and Williams trade too.

And at that time his skillset was ideal for our needs with his ability to block shots and hit threes too. But back then, Ainge wanted a haul for him in trade, something like two 1sts and a young prospect back, and now he's just letting him go for nothing but cap space.

We gave up two 1sts for an injury riddled Mark Williams, and also drafted Maluach with the same skillset as Walker. All these series of events playing out like this, I just find rather ironic ( all things considered). :wink:

We gave up two SUPERLATE 1st round picks.

We got Mark Williams AND a 2029 2nd for Vasilije Micic, the No. 29 overall pick (Liam McNeely) and 2029 first-round pick, which will be the least-favorable of picks from the Suns, Cavaliers and Timberwolves (top-five protected).

Mark Williams is better than Kessler but everyone knows that it's just about health. This is a low risk-high reward move because we didn't give up a lot and if he stays relatively healthy he will be a Top 10 C in the league for years to come.


Yes, Mark Williams is very good.............. WHEN HE ACTUALLY PLAYS!!!!!

Have you ever heard the saying that the best ability is availability. As obviously you're not contributing anything to the stat sheet or winning if you're in street clothes and sitting on the bench.

Also, some other factors to consider in this comparison between Williams and Walker:

1- Durability issues ( referenced).
2- contract extension/ resigning amount/ etc.
3- which player can actually shoot threes (as is an important factor in today's NBA climate).
4- Age/ development potential.

I like Mark Williams just fine. But considering our current situation in having no viable assets for trade ( draft picks) the incurred cost of his looming extension and its impact on our cap situation too, which player do you think would have greater value in free agency?

More important is the consideration in the assets we gave up for Williams and with Kessler, would only have to be giving up cap space whilst KEEPING those surrendered picks as well.

Which scenario would you consider more favorable for our team projection long term man? Hindsight not always being 20/20.

You are wrong about Kessler, he can't shoot at all. Not from the 3p line, not mid-range, no FTs, not touch.

And he played just on 58 games last year, he isn't an ironman neither.
And you talked about their age and potential? Kessler is OLDER than Mark Williams.

Regarding their contract situation... with Mark Williams at least he will be a RFA and we will have the opportunity to keep him. Kessler will be unrestricted.

And again...those assets that we gave up to get him have minimal value. Low.risk move.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#366 » by bigfoot » Fri Sep 26, 2025 1:18 am

Any idea who is Villain Jr? According to Dillion the Villain there is a junior version of himself on the team. He said it was unexpected and probably surprise people.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#367 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Sep 26, 2025 1:35 am

bigfoot wrote:Any idea who is Villain Jr? According to Dillion the Villain there is a junior version of himself on the team. He said it was unexpected and probably surprise people.

Dunn or Fleming probably
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Post#368 » by Saberestar » Fri Sep 26, 2025 3:12 am

Our starting five (first impressions):

Devin Booker
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
Nick Richards
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#369 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:40 am

Saberestar wrote:Our starting five (first impressions):

Devin Booker
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
Nick Richards
Mark Williams


Boy have you lost your mind cause I'll help you find it. No way Nick Richards starts.
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Post#370 » by sunsbg » Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:47 am

Dunn better be starting after the improvement he showed in SL. Richards starting wtf.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#371 » by bigfoot » Fri Sep 26, 2025 5:16 am

Saberestar wrote:Our starting five (first impressions):

Devin Booker
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
Nick Richards
Mark Williams


Substitute either Dunn or Hayes-Davis at the four.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#372 » by Saberestar » Fri Sep 26, 2025 6:39 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Our starting five (first impressions):

Devin Booker
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
Nick Richards
Mark Williams


Boy have you lost your mind cause I'll help you find it. No way Nick Richards starts.

It's not my idea, I prefer Dunn over Richards in the SL.

In the first day of training camp those five played as a unit. That's why I said "first impressions".
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#373 » by Puff » Fri Sep 26, 2025 9:09 am

Saberestar wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Our starting five (first impressions):

Devin Booker
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
Nick Richards
Mark Williams


Boy have you lost your mind cause I'll help you find it. No way Nick Richards starts.

It's not my idea, I prefer Dunn over Richards in the SL.

In the first day of training camp those five played as a unit. That's why I said "first impressions".


During practice yesterday Richards was practicing his 3point shot alongside JGreen. I was impressed with his jumper last year in the mid range and his form on his 3pointer looks good. Who knows? Ott played 2 bigs together in Cleveland and they won a lot of games. Defend the rim, get rebounds, create more possessions. Those will be new things for this franchise. Good things.

Ott has many options. The players seem to really like him. That is a good thing. Another new thing for this franchise.
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Post#374 » by sunsbg » Fri Sep 26, 2025 1:17 pm

What we want to see really is Dunn and Maluach development, not frontcourt of ex-Charlotte Hornets rejects. Dunn showed signs of being ready for a bigger role. KM is too raw to expect real contribution just yet. He'll probably see limited minutes off the bench, more if the team is bad.
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Post#375 » by Waylay13 » Fri Sep 26, 2025 3:44 pm

sunsbg wrote:What we want to see really is Dunn and Maluach development, not frontcourt of ex-Charlotte Hornets rejects. Dunn showed signs of being ready for a bigger role. KM is too raw to expect real contribution just yet. He'll probably see limited minutes off the bench, more if the team is bad.


I want to see Rasheer Fleming get some time too.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#377 » by Fo-Real » Fri Sep 26, 2025 5:22 pm

Saberestar wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Our starting five (first impressions):

Devin Booker
Jalen Green
Dillon Brooks
Nick Richards
Mark Williams


Boy have you lost your mind cause I'll help you find it. No way Nick Richards starts.

It's not my idea, I prefer Dunn over Richards in the SL.

In the first day of training camp those five played as a unit. That's why I said "first impressions".


Well although I don't think Nick has a chance of starting, I have said one of Nick, Oso Man-Man need to be working on Pf skills this summer. Of those, Oso with improved quickness, speed, strength and his value as a smart passer/connector type game has the edge on pf minutes at this point but not starting. I'll take Dunn, Nigel or throwing Rasheer into the fire at this point. I can't see both Royce and Grayson being here too long.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#378 » by Waylay13 » Fri Sep 26, 2025 6:13 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Boy have you lost your mind cause I'll help you find it. No way Nick Richards starts.

It's not my idea, I prefer Dunn over Richards in the SL.

In the first day of training camp those five played as a unit. That's why I said "first impressions".


Well although I don't think Nick has a chance of starting, I have said one of Nick, Oso Man-Man need to be working on Pf skills this summer. Of those, Oso with improved quickness, speed, strength and his value as a smart passer/connector type game has the edge on pf minutes at this point but not starting. I'll take Dunn, Nigel or throwing Rasheer into the fire at this point. I can't see both Royce and Grayson being here too long.


if you look at the training camp roster there is something interesting in it; Oso is listed as a forward not a center.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#379 » by bigfoot » Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:02 pm

sunsbg wrote:What we want to see really is Dunn and Maluach development, not frontcourt of ex-Charlotte Hornets rejects. Dunn showed signs of being ready for a bigger role. KM is too raw to expect real contribution just yet. He'll probably see limited minutes off the bench, more if the team is bad.


What we don't want to see is gifting unearned minutes to young players. NBA should be merit-based at the beginning of the season. The best players (and group of players) should start the season. Young, inexperienced players are likely to be bench players or mop up duty until the team is out of the playoff picture.

I guess it wouldn't surprise me to see a twin tower lineup if defense is going to be the calling card for this team. Ott thinking way out the box compared to us armchair GMs.

Book / Gillispie / Goodwin
Green / Allen / Butler
Brooks / O'Neale / Hayes-Davis
Richards / Dunn / Fleming
Williams / Oso / Maluach

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 Dog Days 

Post#380 » by sunsbg » Fri Sep 26, 2025 7:08 pm

bigfoot wrote:
sunsbg wrote:What we want to see really is Dunn and Maluach development, not frontcourt of ex-Charlotte Hornets rejects. Dunn showed signs of being ready for a bigger role. KM is too raw to expect real contribution just yet. He'll probably see limited minutes off the bench, more if the team is bad.


What we don't want to see is gifting unearned minutes to young players. NBA should be merit-based at the beginning of the season. The best players (and group of players) should start the season. Young, inexperienced players are likely to be bench players or mop up duty until the team is out of the playoff picture.

I guess it wouldn't surprise me to see a twin tower lineup if defense is going to be the calling card for this team. Ott thinking way out the box compared to us armchair GMs.

Book / Gillispie / Goodwin
Green / Allen / Butler
Brooks / O'Neale / Hayes-Davis
Richards / Dunn / Fleming
Williams / Oso / Maluach

2-way: Brea, Huntley, Livers


We saw how Mat trying to outsmart the league ended up. Hope Ott thinking way out of the box doesn't produce same result.

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