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AmazingJason wrote:matchman wrote:Do not like the body languages, seems the team morale is low now
We underestimating the loss of Calderon. He manages the offense...he also has the positive veteran leadership...we miss it.
SMAC-K wrote:KP really needs to develop his lower body strength and work on his post game for next year. I am getting a little tired of all the fadeaway jumpers. Dont forget you are 7 foot 3 KP
Johnny Hoops wrote:mpharris36 wrote:there was absolutely no triangle today. It was iso Melo or iso AA. did we have a player with more than 3 assists?
Calderon isn't good at all but at least there seems to be a bit more ball movement with him in there than with Gallo.
Melo has become a statue --- he's not moving and he's not defending. Is he hurt -- I don't think so. Is he out of shape because he hasn't been going hard in practice because of the ankle - maybe but he's much less active in his movements and he's spending a lot of time playing iso ball when he has the ball inside the arc.
Johnny Hoops wrote:AmazingJason wrote:We desperately need Calderon back.
LOL - yeah I mean folks talk about we can't without Melo and here we go 0-4 without Jose and last night Gallo gets torched for 20-8 by I-Thomas while he shoots 0-4 from the field and Grant goes scoreless in a HUGE home game.
Bottom line --- this roster that many say is on-par or better than the Celtics just plain isn't.
GONYK wrote:This "Melo and KP are on different career arcs" is some of the laziest rationalization ever.
Melo makes the game easier for KP and is teaching him how to be an alpha in this game. You want KP to develop, you keep him around that as long as he can.
Johnny Hoops wrote:GONYK wrote:This "Melo and KP are on different career arcs" is some of the laziest rationalization ever.
Melo makes the game easier for KP and is teaching him how to be an alpha in this game. You want KP to develop, you keep him around that as long as he can.
While I do agree that Melo makes the game easier for KP and takes a lot of pressure off KP I also believe KP is the best 20 year-old player in the world. He will develop just fine with or without Melo.
If Melo will leave and we can get a solid deal for him --- I would say make the move.
I don't think this happens but when you watch Melo struggle to move / score it's not difficult to understand that he's on a declining / not ascending trajectory in terms of his physical capabilities.
Sark wrote:Johnny Hoops wrote:AmazingJason wrote:We desperately need Calderon back.
LOL - yeah I mean folks talk about we can't without Melo and here we go 0-4 without Jose and last night Gallo gets torched for 20-8 by I-Thomas while he shoots 0-4 from the field and Grant goes scoreless in a HUGE home game.
Bottom line --- this roster that many say is on-par or better than the Celtics just plain isn't.
Given this roster, Brad Stevens would have the Knicks as a top 2 team in the East. I mean he's currently riding Isaiah Thomas to the 3 seed for goodness sakes.
god shammgod wrote:JXL wrote:god shammgod wrote:i could keep repeating every point i've ever made about phil and fish but why bother. i don't even care about this year, i'm worried about next year. there's only 2 things that are gonna fix all this.
1 - some top free agent joins us this summer.
2 - they get rid of everyone in charge and get a new coach/gm to come fix all of this
i'm actually expecting this though
3 - suck again
You must hate life.
the part of my life that watches the knicks....yes. the rest of my life is fine. this part is nothing but hopelessness and despair. it's like i'm 1/4th richard hutnik.
moocow007 wrote:There was a sequence where Afflalo was turning the ball over like it was burning his hands. Reminded me of the scene from Benchwarmers with Reggie Jackson and the hot potato. I've never seen that type of silly sloppiness ever and I've been watching basketball since before a good many of you were even a twinkle in your moms eye.
GONYK wrote:Johnny Hoops wrote:GONYK wrote:This "Melo and KP are on different career arcs" is some of the laziest rationalization ever.
Melo makes the game easier for KP and is teaching him how to be an alpha in this game. You want KP to develop, you keep him around that as long as he can.
While I do agree that Melo makes the game easier for KP and takes a lot of pressure off KP I also believe KP is the best 20 year-old player in the world. He will develop just fine with or without Melo.
If Melo will leave and we can get a solid deal for him --- I would say make the move.
I don't think this happens but when you watch Melo struggle to move / score it's not difficult to understand that he's on a declining / not ascending trajectory in terms of his physical capabilities.
I trade Melo for a good deal, not a "solid" one. He's not a player that I feel the need to get out from under.
delvec19 wrote:Did Liga ACB really only have 34 game seasons? Yeah definitely makes sense why KP looks tired as hell.
Greenie wrote:Sark wrote:Johnny Hoops wrote:
LOL - yeah I mean folks talk about we can't without Melo and here we go 0-4 without Jose and last night Gallo gets torched for 20-8 by I-Thomas while he shoots 0-4 from the field and Grant goes scoreless in a HUGE home game.
Bottom line --- this roster that many say is on-par or better than the Celtics just plain isn't.
Given this roster, Brad Stevens would have the Knicks as a top 2 team in the East. I mean he's currently riding Isaiah Thomas to the 3 seed for goodness sakes.
Keep underrating Thomas.
The Celtics are better.
GONYK wrote:I trade Melo for a good deal, not a "solid" one. He's not a player that I feel the need to get out from under.
GONYK wrote:god shammgod wrote:every time the knicks lose a bunch of games we're trading melo. except we're not. i'm not even commenting on what the best thing to do is for the future or not. but it's just not happening. not this year.
Every 2nd loss in a row, we need to do a full rebuild, send Grant to the D-League, and fire everyone.
Every 2nd win in a row, we are a playoff team, Melo is elite again, and there is a hidden genius in every move
All the facts really do seem to point to that nobody of any importance in NY really has put any serious weight on this season. We've signed better players, but not great ones, and we have performed accordingly.
If we double our win total from last season, I think everyone from Phil on down will consider that a success.
KnicksGod wrote:GONYK wrote:I trade Melo for a good deal, not a "solid" one. He's not a player that I feel the need to get out from under.
You might feel differently in a year or two, toward the end of Melo's contract, when we are getting ready to Max out KP (presumably & hopefully), and Melo's contract is still on the books and can't be traded in time. We should probably try this time to plan for maximizing value around our best future player, instead of worrying too much about the present.
We're here because of Amar'e, Bargnani, JR, Felton, etc., and even giving up too much for Melo, as good as he's been. Make no mistake about it. Those ghosts are still haunting MSG, and the past is precedent. Therefore, it makes sense to think about letting Melo go when he can still be traded and could still bring back value. Instead of keeping him for the sake of keeping him.
That's why Boston is still ahead of us after building a great team. They pivoted. Keeping Melo definitely jeopardizes the KP Era. Maybe it all works out, but holding out for a great deal for Melo seems very risky. Seems like we haven't learned the lesson of the rut we're in.
Sark wrote:Greenie wrote:Sark wrote:
Given this roster, Brad Stevens would have the Knicks as a top 2 team in the East. I mean he's currently riding Isaiah Thomas to the 3 seed for goodness sakes.
Keep underrating Thomas.
The Celtics are better.
Couldn't win with Cousins. Couldn't even start in Phoenix. I guess he's better than Melo since he can actually lead a team over .500.
Keep underrating coaching though.
GONYK wrote:KnicksGod wrote:GONYK wrote:I trade Melo for a good deal, not a "solid" one. He's not a player that I feel the need to get out from under.
You might feel differently in a year or two, toward the end of Melo's contract, when we are getting ready to Max out KP (presumably & hopefully), and Melo's contract is still on the books and can't be traded in time. We should probably try this time to plan for maximizing value around our best future player, instead of worrying too much about the present.
We're here because of Amar'e, Bargnani, JR, Felton, etc., and even giving up too much for Melo, as good as he's been. Make no mistake about it. Those ghosts are still haunting MSG, and the past is precedent. Therefore, it makes sense to think about letting Melo go when he can still be traded and could still bring back value. Instead of keeping him for the sake of keeping him.
That's why Boston is still ahead of us after building a great team. They pivoted. Keeping Melo definitely jeopardizes the KP Era. Maybe it all works out, but holding out for a great deal for Melo seems very risky. Seems like we haven't learned the lesson of the rut we're in.
What is so great about Boston's position again?
Are we talking about the same team that didn't have enough assets to trade up for Frank Kaminsky?
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KnicksGod wrote:GONYK wrote:KnicksGod wrote:
You might feel differently in a year or two, toward the end of Melo's contract, when we are getting ready to Max out KP (presumably & hopefully), and Melo's contract is still on the books and can't be traded in time. We should probably try this time to plan for maximizing value around our best future player, instead of worrying too much about the present.
We're here because of Amar'e, Bargnani, JR, Felton, etc., and even giving up too much for Melo, as good as he's been. Make no mistake about it. Those ghosts are still haunting MSG, and the past is precedent. Therefore, it makes sense to think about letting Melo go when he can still be traded and could still bring back value. Instead of keeping him for the sake of keeping him.
That's why Boston is still ahead of us after building a great team. They pivoted. Keeping Melo definitely jeopardizes the KP Era. Maybe it all works out, but holding out for a great deal for Melo seems very risky. Seems like we haven't learned the lesson of the rut we're in.
What is so great about Boston's position again?
Are we talking about the same team that didn't have enough assets to trade up for Frank Kaminsky?
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It's not great, and not as great as the media makes with the picks. But if we had KP plus their roster, we'd be happy. We have a chance to do that, more or less. The guys on their roster are guys we can get. And add to KP, which would be a nice position to be in. If we keep Melo, that's less likely to happen.
Plus this isn't fair to Melo at this point. It makes no sense. Melo is going to finish his prime out of the playoffs? Why. I have no idea.
Greenie wrote:Sark wrote:Greenie wrote:Keep underrating Thomas.
The Celtics are better.
Couldn't win with Cousins. Couldn't even start in Phoenix. I guess he's better than Melo since he can actually lead a team over .500.
Keep underrating coaching though.
Sac is a mess.
Phx is too.
Try again.