Welcome Okafor: Thread 2

[sixers23]

We won't know if Okafor fits until he plays. It's just like a science experiment. You can do all the calculations and prep, but not everything goes according to play. Not to mention sports is an inexact science in the first place.

We can speculate all we want, but the fact people want to jettison him before we even see how it all fits is pretty laughable. You don't get rid of talent guys on hunches. If they can get back a really nice piece for Okafor, that's a totally different issue, but some people want to get rid of him because they are so sure he won't fit based off inexact and speculatory analytical nonsense.

Egotism at its finest.

well i also dont think hes a good player

[LongLiveHinkie]

We won't know if Okafor fits until he plays. It's just like a science experiment. You can do all the calculations and prep, but not everything goes according to play. Not to mention sports is an inexact science in the first place.

We can speculate all we want, but the fact people want to jettison him before we even see how it all fits is pretty laughable. You don't get rid of talent guys on hunches. If they can get back a really nice piece for Okafor, that's a totally different issue, but some people want to get rid of him because they are so sure he won't fit based off inexact and speculatory analytical nonsense.

Egotism at its finest.

well i also dont think hes a good player

Speaks volumes in its own right

[phifans]

We won't know if Okafor fits until he plays. It's just like a science experiment. You can do all the calculations and prep, but not everything goes according to play. Not to mention sports is an inexact science in the first place.

We can speculate all we want, but the fact people want to jettison him before we even see how it all fits is pretty laughable. You don't get rid of talent guys on hunches. If they can get back a really nice piece for Okafor, that's a totally different issue, but some people want to get rid of him because they are so sure he won't fit based off inexact and speculatory analytical nonsense.

Egotism at its finest.

well i also dont think hes a good player

Well what you think has nothing to do with the opinion of management.
And theres no reason to make judgment on a guy who has just finished his rookie season unless you just "hate" him.

[sixers23]

We won't know if Okafor fits until he plays. It's just like a science experiment. You can do all the calculations and prep, but not everything goes according to play. Not to mention sports is an inexact science in the first place.

We can speculate all we want, but the fact people want to jettison him before we even see how it all fits is pretty laughable. You don't get rid of talent guys on hunches. If they can get back a really nice piece for Okafor, that's a totally different issue, but some people want to get rid of him because they are so sure he won't fit based off inexact and speculatory analytical nonsense.

Egotism at its finest.

well i also dont think hes a good player

Well what you think has nothing to do with the opinion of management.
And theres no reason to make judgment on a guy who has just finished his rookie season unless you just "hate" him.

or i dont think he will have value to our team especially at the expense of trading noel

[BobThornton]

well i also dont think hes a good player

Well what you think has nothing to do with the opinion of management.
And theres no reason to make judgment on a guy who has just finished his rookie season unless you just "hate" him.

or i dont think he will have value to our team especially at the expense of trading noel

Wonder if Noel learned to catch this summer? Prob has trainer lobbing him passes underhanded.

[phifans]

well i also dont think hes a good player

Well what you think has nothing to do with the opinion of management.
And theres no reason to make judgment on a guy who has just finished his rookie season unless you just "hate" him.

or i dont think he will have value to our team especially at the expense of trading noel

You don't make a deal because you have "too many" talents around . You do it because you got an offer which meets your needs.
And for human nature you hope one of your better prospect to become better not keep claiming " he's not good " or "has no value".

[Kirk Van Houten]

Well what you think has nothing to do with the opinion of management.
And theres no reason to make judgment on a guy who has just finished his rookie season unless you just "hate" him.

or i dont think he will have value to our team especially at the expense of trading noel

Wonder if Noel learned to catch this summer? Prob has trainer lobbing him passes underhanded.

Doubtful. Other than athleticism there is not one other valuable nba trait / skill noel has.

[Ericb5]

or i dont think he will have value to our team especially at the expense of trading noel

Wonder if Noel learned to catch this summer? Prob has trainer lobbing him passes underhanded.

Doubtful. Other than athleticism there is not one other valuable nba trait / skill noel has.

In addition to his athleticism, which is truly superb, he has great defensive instincts as well. He has basically no real "skill" to speak of though. It is all God given with him. He works hard too, but the only thing that he has shown real improvement in has been free throw shooting.


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[76ciology]

Wonder if Noel learned to catch this summer? Prob has trainer lobbing him passes underhanded.

Doubtful. Other than athleticism there is not one other valuable nba trait / skill noel has.

In addition to his athleticism, which is truly superb, he has great defensive instincts as well. He has basically no real "skill" to speak of though. It is all God given with him. He works hard too, but the only thing that he has shown real improvement in has been free throw shooting.


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Yup, Noel has elite hands and defensive instinct. He is almost a perfect defensive player for the modern day defense.

He's perfect with the 3 seasons of trust the process team that maximizes his defensive impact while playing with mostly defensive liability perimeter players that can compliment him with their 3pt shooting/spacing.

[BoomBap]

Jah must be really pissed right now. Because in all the news you can read, how bad he is and that the sixers want to trade him.

But the truth is, he he played just 1 season and this season was solid and he is just 20 years old. Give the kid some air to breath. Some of you sound like, he is the worst player in NBA history.

[LloydFree]

Jah must be really pissed right now. Because in all the news you can read, how bad he is and that the sixers want to trade him.

But the truth is, he he played just 1 season and this season was solid and he is just 20 years old. Give the kid some air to breath. Some of you sound like, he is the worst player in NBA history.

No, he isn't the worst player in NBA history. He just doesn't project to be the type of Center you can win with. The Center has to rebound and help protect the rim. Everything else is icing. He does not project to do the things that impact winning the most, from the Center position.

The argument that you have to keep Okafor as Embiid insurance is ridiculous. That's what Noel has been the last two years. Now we need insurance for the insurance?

If Embiid gets injured the day after Okafor is traded, it's not the end of the world. The level and type of Center Okafor projects to be is readily available via trade for a low price.

[Agnostifarian]

Jah must be really pissed right now. Because in all the news you can read, how bad he is and that the sixers want to trade him.

But the truth is, he he played just 1 season and this season was solid and he is just 20 years old. Give the kid some air to breath. Some of you sound like, he is the worst player in NBA history.

No, he isn't the worst player in NBA history. He just doesn't project to be the type of Center you can win with. The Center has to rebound and help protect the rim. Everything else is icing. He does not project to do the things that impact winning the most, from the Center position.

The argument that you have to keep Okafor as Embiid insurance is ridiculous. That's what Noel has been the last two years. Now we need insurance for the insurance?

If Embiid gets injured the day after Okafor is traded, it's not the end of the world. The level and type of Center Okafor projects to be is readily available via trade for a low price.

There are lots of defensive centers available. There are not any scoring centers available for a low price. You don't value them highly which is fine but it doesn't mean they are available.

[LloydFree]

Jah must be really pissed right now. Because in all the news you can read, how bad he is and that the sixers want to trade him.

But the truth is, he he played just 1 season and this season was solid and he is just 20 years old. Give the kid some air to breath. Some of you sound like, he is the worst player in NBA history.

No, he isn't the worst player in NBA history. He just doesn't project to be the type of Center you can win with. The Center has to rebound and help protect the rim. Everything else is icing. He does not project to do the things that impact winning the most, from the Center position.

The argument that you have to keep Okafor as Embiid insurance is ridiculous. That's what Noel has been the last two years. Now we need insurance for the insurance?

If Embiid gets injured the day after Okafor is traded, it's not the end of the world. The level and type of Center Okafor projects to be is readily available via trade for a low price.

There are lots of defensive centers available. There are not any scoring centers available for a low price. You don't value them highly which is fine but it doesn't mean they are available.

Greg Monroe is available for nearly nothing right now.

[tsmith]

No, he isn't the worst player in NBA history. He just doesn't project to be the type of Center you can win with. The Center has to rebound and help protect the rim. Everything else is icing. He does not project to do the things that impact winning the most, from the Center position.

The argument that you have to keep Okafor as Embiid insurance is ridiculous. That's what Noel has been the last two years. Now we need insurance for the insurance?

If Embiid gets injured the day after Okafor is traded, it's not the end of the world. The level and type of Center Okafor projects to be is readily available via trade for a low price.

There are lots of defensive centers available. There are not any scoring centers available for a low price. You don't value them highly which is fine but it doesn't mean they are available.

Greg Monroe is available for nearly nothing right now.

Okafor is as good or better than Monroe in his first season.

[LloydFree]

There are lots of defensive centers available. There are not any scoring centers available for a low price. You don't value them highly which is fine but it doesn't mean they are available.

Greg Monroe is available for nearly nothing right now.

Okafor is as good or better than Monroe in his first season.

By what measure? I'd love to see you attempt to quantify that.

[Agnostifarian]

There are lots of defensive centers available. There are not any scoring centers available for a low price. You don't value them highly which is fine but it doesn't mean they are available.

Greg Monroe is available for nearly nothing right now.

Okafor is as good or better than Monroe in his first season.

Greg Monroe is 26 and will make $17.5 MM this year and has a player option for $17.5 MM next year. He has reached his ceiling.

Jah is 20 and will make $4.7 MM, $6.3 MM and $8.3 MM over the next three years and then he will be restricted. He is not close to his ceiling.

Bad comp.

[LloydFree]

Greg Monroe is available for nearly nothing right now.

Okafor is as good or better than Monroe in his first season.

Greg Monroe is 26 and will make $17.5 MM this year and has a player option for $17.5 MM next year. He has reached his ceiling.

Jah is 20 and will make $4.7 MM, $6.3 MM and $8.3 MM over the next three years and then he will be restricted. He is not close to his ceiling.

Bad comp.

Greg Monroe was better in his rookie season than Okafor was in his rookie season also. But that's not the point. The point is no-defense Centers are NOT valuable. If we lose Embiid to injury, Okafor is not an adequate replacement and whatever he provides can be easily replicated by Greg Monroe (available for free) Nik Vucevic (likely available) or Enes Kanter (easily obtainable).

[Agnostifarian]

Okafor is as good or better than Monroe in his first season.

Greg Monroe is 26 and will make $17.5 MM this year and has a player option for $17.5 MM next year. He has reached his ceiling.

Jah is 20 and will make $4.7 MM, $6.3 MM and $8.3 MM over the next three years and then he will be restricted. He is not close to his ceiling.

Bad comp.

Greg Monroe was better in his rookie season than Okafor was in his rookie season also. But that's not the point. The point is no-defense Centers are NOT valuable. If we lose Embiid to injury, Okafor is not an adequate replacement and whatever he provides can be easily replicated by Greg Monroe (available for free) Nik Vucevic (likely available) or Enes Kanter (easily obtainable).

All three of those guys have peaked and they all make over $17 MM/yr. Your narrative is that Okafor is a finished product and will not improve. I don't subscribe to that belief.

You tend to make an evaluation and defend it despite subsequent facts. Example: You still think Angelo Russell is the greatest thing since sliced bread and is a superior prospect to Devon Booker. Damn the evidence and don't confuse me with facts!

You think Okafor sucks. Fine. We can agree to disagree.

[phifans]

Okafor is as good or better than Monroe in his first season.

Greg Monroe is 26 and will make $17.5 MM this year and has a player option for $17.5 MM next year. He has reached his ceiling.

Jah is 20 and will make $4.7 MM, $6.3 MM and $8.3 MM over the next three years and then he will be restricted. He is not close to his ceiling.

Bad comp.

Greg Monroe was better in his rookie season than Okafor was in his rookie season also. But that's not the point. The point is no-defense Centers are NOT valuable. If we lose Embiid to injury, Okafor is not an adequate replacement and whatever he provides can be easily replicated by Greg Monroe (available for free) Nik Vucevic (likely available) or Enes Kanter (easily obtainable).

Or you can actually trade Andrew Bogut for nothing.
Oh and one thing i learned from this board: As a rookie if you are disliked by some guys here then you will never improve and always be what you are as a rookie.
Oh and to say Monroe is better as a rookie is purly lying

[LloydFree]

Greg Monroe is 26 and will make $17.5 MM this year and has a player option for $17.5 MM next year. He has reached his ceiling.

Jah is 20 and will make $4.7 MM, $6.3 MM and $8.3 MM over the next three years and then he will be restricted. He is not close to his ceiling.

Bad comp.

Greg Monroe was better in his rookie season than Okafor was in his rookie season also. But that's not the point. The point is no-defense Centers are NOT valuable. If we lose Embiid to injury, Okafor is not an adequate replacement and whatever he provides can be easily replicated by Greg Monroe (available for free) Nik Vucevic (likely available) or Enes Kanter (easily obtainable).

All three of those guys have peaked and they all make over $17 MM/yr. Your narrative is that Okafor is a finished product and will not improve. I don't subscribe to that belief.

You tend to make an evaluation and defend it despite subsequent facts. Example: You still think Angelo Russell is the greatest thing since sliced bread and is a superior prospect to Devon Booker. Damn the evidence and don't confuse me with facts!

You think Okafor sucks. Fine. We can agree to disagree.

You're taking the argument somewhere else. It has nothing to do with Okafor sucking. I don't think Monroe or Vucevic suck. I think they are not the type of Center I would want to start a team.

The other issue is finished product. EVERY player is an unfinished product. You can't just say a player will get better at certain aspects of the game just because he gets a year older. At some point in projecting a player you have to use your eyes and review empirical data to show how likely he is to improve. Players that don't rebound early, tend to not rebound later. Players who don't block shots or steal, tend to not get much better (and they project as lesser players overall). Those are facts. Throwing out absurdums like "you think he sucks or he's the worst player ever" doesn't make your point. It shows you don't have an argument to back up your position.