Off Topic VIII

[LamarMatic7]

Any conspiracy theories that y'all don't believe are actually conspiracies and are the full fledge truth?

I'm on the bandwagon that Stevie Wonder is in fact not blind.

Wut?

Yep. That mans got two working eyes. Court side at basketball games. Staring at women's butts. Catching falling mics. Grabbing people and hugging them. Buying tvs from people. This man has working eyes.

Bomani has also swayed me throughout the years to believe this.

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[SeanBobcats]

Anyone have any advice on buying Hornets tickets? Like on which tickets are cheap and when tickets are cheap, what are the good places to sit, etc.

[fatlever]

man, I hate bringing up politics on the board, but this is nuts.

Trump just joked about killing Hillary or Surpreme Court judges in a rally today in Wilmington, NC -

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do about it... although the 2nd amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know..."

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Man, he has come completely off the rails in the past 2 weeks. Its almost to the point that I have to start believing their is some truth to the theories that he is trying to sabotage his own election because he really wants no part of being president. Is it all just one huge publicity stunt that went too far?

[SeanBobcats]

man, I hate bringing up politics on the board, but this is nuts.

Trump just joked about killing Hillary or Surpreme Court judges in a rally today in Wilmington, NC -

"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do about it... although the 2nd amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know..."

Watch on YouTube

Man, he has come completely off the rails in the past 2 weeks. Its almost to the point that I have to start believing their is some truth to the theories that he is trying to sabotage his own election because he really wants no part of being president. Is it all just one huge publicity stunt that went too far?

It's nuts. Absolutely nuts. No other way of putting it. He said it himself though. He can say whatever he wants, and people will still continue to follow him.

[fatlever]

here is the quote in full context



I'm sure this will be spun tomorrow as "2nd amendment can do something about it, such as not voting for Hilary", and this comment will get swept under the rug in a few days for the next big story. But we all know what he was joking about.

[fatlever]

This stuff about scaring people into thinking the govt is going to take their guns away is pandering to the lowest denominator. Nobody is taking anyone's guns away (on a large scale). Only thing that might happen is some reasonable laws to make it harder for certain people to buy guns and for certain types of guns to be purchased. That's like telling Christians the democrats are trying to ban Christianity because someone wants to pass a law prohibiting prayer in public schools.

[EwingSweatsALot]

He's an effing loon. It baffles me people side with this man, and I've voted Republican since Ive been able too. Though I don't know if I'd consider myself R or D now.

[SWedd523]

This stuff about scaring people into thinking the govt is going to take their guns away is pandering to the lowest denominator. Nobody is taking anyone's guns away (on a large scale). Only thing that might happen is some reasonable laws to make it harder for certain people to buy guns and for certain types of guns to be purchased. That's like telling Christians the democrats are trying to ban Christianity because someone wants to pass a law prohibiting prayer in public schools.

Don't really care what your or anyone else's political viewpoints are, but the above quote is far from the truth.

Pandering happens on both sides of the aisle, and it seems you've fallen "victim" to the pandering and misinformation from the left side

[Diop]

so there can't be a middle ground?

[yosemiteben]

The Dems aren't trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment and outlaw guns. I think that is fat lever's point.

I would have zero problem with guns being illegal just like I'd have zero problem with marijuana being legal, but there is no serious partisan attempt to do either.

[SWedd523]

so there can't be a middle ground?

1. I never make any remark whatsoever regarding a middle ground. Please don't put words in my mouth.

2. You assume any proverbial middle ground hasn't already been reached.

[Diop]

so there can't be a middle ground?

1. I never make any remark whatsoever regarding a middle ground. Please don't put words in my mouth.

2. You assume any proverbial middle ground hasn't already been reached.

I can see you're passionate about this, I know little about it myself.

It just seemed that both sides were so far apart, I hope there is a middle ground that has been reached.

[SWedd523]

The Dems aren't trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment and outlaw guns. I think that is fat lever's point.

I would have zero problem with guns being illegal just like I'd have zero problem with marijuana being legal, but there is no serious partisan attempt to do either.

Willing or not, that's plain ignorance. The democratic nominee for President herself stated she wants an "Assault Weapons Ban" and various other leading democrats (from Feinstein to Pelosi and more) have said (and instituted at the local, state, and federal levels) similar bans on certain types of guns, ammunition, magazines, and other paraphernalia.

Also, I may just be a "gun nut" but I find it sad how flippantly you can say you'd have no issues with guns being illegal, full stop. Just an indictment on the current state of affairs

[SWedd523]

so there can't be a middle ground?

1. I never make any remark whatsoever regarding a middle ground. Please don't put words in my mouth.

2. You assume any proverbial middle ground hasn't already been reached.

I can see you're passionate about this, I know little about it myself.

It just seemed that both sides were so far apart, I hope there is a middle ground that has been reached.

The problem is that the Right uses scare tactics to make it seem like the left is evil and planning on going door-to-door to take guns away while the left continues to institute progressively stricter and more arbitrary gun control measures that have little to no effect on the people who actually break the laws, regardless of what they are. All while the millions of legitimate and law abiding gun owners who have caused no problems for literally hundreds of years, are caught in the crossfire. Pun intended.

[yosemiteben]

The Dems aren't trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment and outlaw guns. I think that is fat lever's point.

I would have zero problem with guns being illegal just like I'd have zero problem with marijuana being legal, but there is no serious partisan attempt to do either.

Willing or not, that's plain ignorance. The democratic nominee for President herself stated she wants an "Assault Weapons Ban" and various other leading democrats (from Feinstein to Pelosi and more) have said (and instituted at the local, state, and federal levels) similar bans on certain types of guns, ammunition, magazines, and other paraphernalia.

Also, I may just be a "gun nut" but I find it sad how flippantly you can say you'd have no issues with guns being illegal, full stop. Just an indictment on the current state of affairs

It's not ignorance at all. Regulation does not equate to a desire to make all forms of firearms illegal, and none of the examples you provided demonstrate a desire to repeal the 2nd Amendment or outlaw guns generally. Not sure why you think it's ignorant to think that.

As far as my statement about not caring if guns are illegal, it's because I don't care about guns, they weren't a part of my personal experience or culture. I think the whole justification of keeping them as a check on the government is absurd, but I'm sympathetic to folks that have a peaceful history and appropriate respect for firearms so I don't feel strongly about completely getting rid of them. With that said, I personally would be fine with extremely strict gun regulations.

[SWedd523]

The Dems aren't trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment and outlaw guns. I think that is fat lever's point.

I would have zero problem with guns being illegal just like I'd have zero problem with marijuana being legal, but there is no serious partisan attempt to do either.

Willing or not, that's plain ignorance. The democratic nominee for President herself stated she wants an "Assault Weapons Ban" and various other leading democrats (from Feinstein to Pelosi and more) have said (and instituted at the local, state, and federal levels) similar bans on certain types of guns, ammunition, magazines, and other paraphernalia.

Also, I may just be a "gun nut" but I find it sad how flippantly you can say you'd have no issues with guns being illegal, full stop. Just an indictment on the current state of affairs

It's not ignorance at all. Regulation does not equate to a desire to make all forms of firearms illegal, and none of the examples you provided demonstrate a desire to repeal the 2nd Amendment or outlaw guns generally. Not sure why you think it's ignorant to think that.

So are you saying that an outright ban on the AR-15, AK-47, etc. style rifles isn't a clear example of outlawing guns?

As far as my statement about not caring if guns are illegal, it's because I don't care about guns, they weren't a part of my personal experience or culture. I think the whole justification of keeping them as a check on the government is absurd, but I'm sympathetic to folks that have a peaceful history and appropriate respect for firearms so I don't feel strongly about completely getting rid of them. With that said, I personally would be fine with extremely strict gun regulations.

For the sake of drawing a comparison, I'm curious what your thoughts are about a straight person making a similar statement on gay marriage, or anyone else on the opposite side of your viewpoint towards any major social issue.

[yosemiteben]

When I said Dems don't want to outlaw guns, I meant generally. Yes they want to restrict the scope of the types of weapons that are available, didn't mean to imply otherwise. They don't want to abolish the second amendment.

Fair question as to your point about me caring about laws related to other issues that I don't feel strongly about. To me there is a big difference between marriage and owning a gun. I would weigh the social utility of the particular activity when deciding the impact of regulation. I see owning guns as a hobby, one that coincidentally or not has resulted in many deaths, so I don't see much harm in regulating it.

[JDR720]

I dont think an assault weapon ban/banning certain types of ammo/mags etc. = wanting to get rid of the 2nd amendment.


a lot of people use guns for hobbies like target shooting,collecting, sport hunting etc. i dont think those people "need" to own guns, but its fine if they do. a lot of people do need guns for legitimate reasons, like people that live up in Alaska need to own a gun to hunt for food and protection from bears/wolves.



hopefully some new technology will be made that will finally end this debate. perhaps guns that only fire for the person it is registered to? guns that are built with a tracking system so you can see where it is and who has it? guns that are used by civilians only shoot non-lethal ammo?

[amcoolio]

Swedd, I'm not trying to start anything, we are all Hornets fans here and that comes first, but can you tell me reasons why assault rifles like the ones you listed need to be legal in America?

[fatlever]

Huge difference between trying limit certain types of guns and/or ammo vs completely taking away the 2nd amendment,which is what he is implying. That's the point. Nobody is going to ever completely take guns away from people in the US, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Right wing politicians trying to convince people that the left wing politicians are going to do that is where I get annoyed. Its a easy way to get the masses riled up because its such a hot button topic. It's not much different than the left wing trying to convince people that the evil right wing is going to deport all Muslims and Mexicans. Obviously that will never happen and they are using cheap scare tactics to get votes. I hate this time of year because both sides resort to the lowest denominator of praying on the fear of the far right and far left morons in an attempt to get votes. I wish both sides would spend their time trying to lure votes from people like myself who are not really attached to either side. Men are dressing up as transgenders to rape your kids. Hilary is going to take all your guns. Even if your drunk husband rapes your kid and gets her pregnant, she can't have an abortion because the religious nuts are going to make it illegal. I can go on and on with ridiculous examples of both sides trying to do this garbage.