2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[ThunderBolt]

I think Adams and Robes defense is offset by their offensive struggles. Especially robes. Adams really isn't able to score on his own. I'll give him credit for catching some very difficult passes. TBH, I love Adams. I just don't see how we can get a second scoring option without moving him. He doesn't have to give us 25/10 but he does need to generate more offense on his own. I'm of the mindset that we need to do major moves if we want to win now. I'm not saying it will work but don't see how it will work if we stay as we are now. Can you get a guy like Mccolum for anything less? I doubt it.

It's tough. I never really thought it would be that difficult until I went through an offseason with this team in 2K17 (:D). We just don't have that many ways to improve, especially since Russ doesn't get any younger. How long will he be able to play at this pace? 2 more years? 3 more years?

I agree. If we keep Russ we basically have very few options. Either we hope the guys we have get significantly better. We trade those guys and also hope it works out. Or we hope Russ and Paul George are secretly bff's. I feel like I've seen enough of option one to know it won't work. Option two is more of a , "why not?" option. Option three is the same option pacer fans are hoping that brings Russ to Indiana.

[Old Man Game]

I think Adams and Robes defense is offset by their offensive struggles. Especially robes. Adams really isn't able to score on his own. I'll give him credit for catching some very difficult passes. TBH, I love Adams. I just don't see how we can get a second scoring option without moving him. He doesn't have to give us 25/10 but he does need to generate more offense on his own. I'm of the mindset that we need to do major moves if we want to win now. I'm not saying it will work but don't see how it will work if we stay as we are now. Can you get a guy like Mccolum for anything less? I doubt it.

It's tough. I never really thought it would be that difficult until I went through an offseason with this team in 2K17 (:D). We just don't have that many ways to improve, especially since Russ doesn't get any younger. How long will he be able to play at this pace? 2 more years? 3 more years?

This all comes back to the tank or not to tank strategy discussion. Realistically we're stuck we don't have a lot of good options I know a lot of people hate the idea of tanking but at this point you're not really losing a whole lot of potential like you said maybe two or three more years of clinging to a middle-tier playoff spot then what? It's why, as sad as it is to contemplate that our run really is over, maybe we should just start the rebuild and get on with it. I mean for goodness sakes, Russ is playing like one if the best players of all time and we're in the 7th shoot as we approach the all star break. What's the path where this team improves to give him the support he deserves?

[bondom34]

Because theres about a 95 percent chance you never see a Russell Westbrook again. You're already part way there. Again, how many teams in this situation tank, and why don't they? Because when you have a star, you have the hard part done. Why are we using 2K as the measure of improvement lol

[bondom34]

People really gotta look around the league. Man it's weird to me that people can't enjoy this team at all and are miserable with it. Sometimes you have to just roll with the punches and see what comes of it. I don't know what is available exactly, nobody does. But having a bad team with a high pick makes that even tougher to accomplish and way more uncertain.

[Old Man Game]

Because theres about a 95 percent chance you never see a Russell Westbrook again. You're already part way there. Again, how many teams in this situation tank, and why don't they? Because when you have a star, you have the hard part done. Why are we using 2K as the measure of improvement lol

Think of Russ and his career. He's to stubborn and too good a dude to ask for help.

[bondom34]

Because theres about a 95 percent chance you never see a Russell Westbrook again. You're already part way there. Again, how many teams in this situation tank, and why don't they? Because when you have a star, you have the hard part done. Why are we using 2K as the measure of improvement lol

Think of Russ and his career. He's to stubborn and too good a dude to ask for help.

Thing is he seems happy. 99 percent of players don't win rings. He knows the timeline of the team, he signed up for this. Could have left if he wanted to aready.

We all celebrated 6 months ago now people want to ship out the best chance we'll ever have to see a talent like him again. Why? Because it's hard. Sometimes things aren't easy.

Should PDX trade Lillard? NOLA AD?

[Old Man Game]

Because theres about a 95 percent chance you never see a Russell Westbrook again. You're already part way there. Again, how many teams in this situation tank, and why don't they? Because when you have a star, you have the hard part done. Why are we using 2K as the measure of improvement lol

Think of Russ and his career. He's to stubborn and too good a dude to ask for help.

Thing is he seems happy. 99 percent of players don't win rings. He knows the timeline of the team, he signed up for this. Could have left if he wanted to aready.

We all celebrated 6 months ago now people want to ship out the best chance we'll ever have to see a talent like him again. Why? Because it's hard. Sometimes things aren't easy.

Should PDX trade Lillard? NOLA AD?

Are you telling me if we wake up one day and Russ is past his Prime and during all that time all we did was make the playoffs, are you telling me you aren't going to regret the fact that Russell Westbrook gave all that to us and we didn't get anything back to him?

[Thundershock88]

Keep in mind this is the 2nd youngest team in the NBA. It's not a finished product. What did people really expect? This team was built around cupcake. We've seen some flashes from every one of these guys. It's just a matter of becoming consistent. I'm proud of the way they have fought all year long. Think we're bad? Try being a fan of the majority of the rest of the league. It's going to take some time, but this team is enjoyable to watch on a nightly basis and that's promising.

[Pillendreher]

We all celebrated 6 months ago

6 months ago we were planning on going after FAs, not being stuck with this core for the next four years. It was always clear that we needed additional talent. And there just may no way to get it.

[bondom34]

We all celebrated 6 months ago

6 months ago we were planning on going after FAs, not being stuck with this core for the next four years. It was always clear that we needed additional talent. And there just may no way to get it.

I knew 6 months ago nobody was coming to OKC. THey never were.

[Thundershock88]

We all celebrated 6 months ago

6 months ago we were planning on going after FAs, not being stuck with this core for the next four years. It was always clear that we needed additional talent. And there just may no way to get it.

Welcome to being a normal team. This was a result of cupcake giving us no indication that he was leaving.

[bondom34]

Think of Russ and his career. He's to stubborn and too good a dude to ask for help.

Thing is he seems happy. 99 percent of players don't win rings. He knows the timeline of the team, he signed up for this. Could have left if he wanted to aready.

We all celebrated 6 months ago now people want to ship out the best chance we'll ever have to see a talent like him again. Why? Because it's hard. Sometimes things aren't easy.

Should PDX trade Lillard? NOLA AD?

Are you telling me if we wake up one day and Russ is past his Prime and during all that time all we did was make the playoffs, are you telling me you aren't going to regret the fact that Russell Westbrook gave all that to us and we didn't get anything back to him?

If he wanted to be there? Are you telling me if he's happy he should be shipped off because someone else thinks it's better for him?

Again, look across the league. By you guys standards every star not on GSW, the Cavs, or Spurs should be dealt today.

[Pillendreher]

We all celebrated 6 months ago

6 months ago we were planning on going after FAs, not being stuck with this core for the next four years. It was always clear that we needed additional talent. And there just may no way to get it.

I knew 6 months ago nobody was coming to OKC. THey never were.

So what's the plan? Does it really just come down to getting incredibly lucky multiple times?

[bondom34]

6 months ago we were planning on going after FAs, not being stuck with this core for the next four years. It was always clear that we needed additional talent. And there just may no way to get it.

I knew 6 months ago nobody was coming to OKC. THey never were.

So what's the plan? Does it really just come down to getting incredibly lucky multiple times?

When I get a crystal ball I'll let you all know.

I have no inside sources. Nobody here does I know of. Sometimes you need more than half a season to build a team. Look around, look at teams who are in a similar spot to OKC. You're not smart to sell a star because tanking. You're just hoping to get luckier than you did the first time.

Read your sig, if you think it's true, I guess I don't know what we're debating. If you don't, then OK. But for me, I'd rather know that if some things break right this team can jump back to a top 3 west team in a year or so. The alternative is waiting a decade and maybe you're there then, if you get as lucky as you did the first time.

[ThunderBolt]

People really gotta look around the league. Man it's weird to me that people can't enjoy this team at all and are miserable with it. Sometimes you have to just roll with the punches and see what comes of it. I don't know what is available exactly, nobody does. But having a bad team with a high pick makes that even tougher to accomplish and way more uncertain.

I love watching Russ, but sports is about competition. If never want to feel my team is stuck. That's pretty much where we are at right now. I am of the mindset that we invest heavily to get a second star through trades. Then try to get roleplayers around that. I like the chances of that more than I like gettting roleplayers and hoping/waiting for them to become stars.

[bondom34]

People really gotta look around the league. Man it's weird to me that people can't enjoy this team at all and are miserable with it. Sometimes you have to just roll with the punches and see what comes of it. I don't know what is available exactly, nobody does. But having a bad team with a high pick makes that even tougher to accomplish and way more uncertain.

I love watching Russ, but sports is about competition. If never want to feel my team is stuck. That's pretty much where we are at right now,

So the whole league is stuck? Because look around. This is called being a normal team. People aren't used to it, but it is.

[Pillendreher]

I knew 6 months ago nobody was coming to OKC. THey never were.

So what's the plan? Does it really just come down to getting incredibly lucky multiple times?

When I get a crystal ball I'll let you all know.

I have no inside sources. Nobody here does I know of. Sometimes you need more than half a season to build a team. Look around, look at teams who are in a similar spot to OKC. You're not smart to sell a star because tanking. You're just hoping to get luckier than you did the first time.

Read your sig, if you think it's true, I guess I don't know what we're debating. If you don't, then OK. But for me, I'd rather know that if some things break right this team can jump back to a top 3 west team in a year or so. The alternative is waiting a decade and maybe you're there then, if you get as lucky as you did the first time.

I'm not arguing we should blow it up just for the sake of it. All I'm saying is that the road contention won't be as easy as anticipated.

[bondom34]

So what's the plan? Does it really just come down to getting incredibly lucky multiple times?

When I get a crystal ball I'll let you all know.

I have no inside sources. Nobody here does I know of. Sometimes you need more than half a season to build a team. Look around, look at teams who are in a similar spot to OKC. You're not smart to sell a star because tanking. You're just hoping to get luckier than you did the first time.

Read your sig, if you think it's true, I guess I don't know what we're debating. If you don't, then OK. But for me, I'd rather know that if some things break right this team can jump back to a top 3 west team in a year or so. The alternative is waiting a decade and maybe you're there then, if you get as lucky as you did the first time.

I'm not arguing we should blow it up just for the sake of it. All I'm saying is that the road contention won't be as easy as anticipated.

I don't know why people assumed it would be. It won't, it usually isn't. Actually it rarely is.

Seems a bit early to deem it time to trade Russ for the sake of it, when we've had 6 months to work with the team as is. It takes years most times, people need to chill. Seriously, just a deep breath and play out the season. I know it's boring, but sometimes you just ride with it for a while. Especially if you know Russ is OK with it, which seems the case, if it's not then Presti likely knows as much.

[ThunderBolt]

People really gotta look around the league. Man it's weird to me that people can't enjoy this team at all and are miserable with it. Sometimes you have to just roll with the punches and see what comes of it. I don't know what is available exactly, nobody does. But having a bad team with a high pick makes that even tougher to accomplish and way more uncertain.

I love watching Russ, but sports is about competition. If never want to feel my team is stuck. That's pretty much where we are at right now,

So the whole league is stuck? Because look around. This is called being a normal team. People aren't used to it, but it is.

I don't think we're stuck. I think we need to take risks to get better.

[bondom34]

I love watching Russ, but sports is about competition. If never want to feel my team is stuck. That's pretty much where we are at right now,

So the whole league is stuck? Because look around. This is called being a normal team. People aren't used to it, but it is.

I don't think we're stuck. I think we need to take risks to get better.

Welp, then I agree lol. I don't think trading Russ is one of those. Personally I feel the same for Steven, some don't there. Everyone else to me is available.