Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell

[jpatrick]

I really hope we can do a 3 team sign and trade vs signing Russell outright. Scares the crap out of me the cost to trade Wiggins plus either Dieng or Teague into pure cap space.

The other name that has been associated with us is Tobias Harris. Would Rosas somehow try to get both? We can’t have 3 max guys I would think.

[wildvikeswolves]

I really hope we can do a 3 team sign and trade vs signing Russell outright. Scares the crap out of me the cost to trade Wiggins plus either Dieng or Teague into pure cap space.

The other name that has been associated with us is Tobias Harris. Would Rosas somehow try to get both? We can’t have 3 max guys I would think.

I’m hoping the rumors are true that there’s teams out there that may actually value Wiggs. Harrison Barnes getting 4 years 88-90 mill gives a little hope to that haha

[SO_MONEY]

I really hope we can do a 3 team sign and trade vs signing Russell outright. Scares the crap out of me the cost to trade Wiggins plus either Dieng or Teague into pure cap space.

The other name that has been associated with us is Tobias Harris. Would Rosas somehow try to get both? We can’t have 3 max guys I would think.

I’m hoping the rumors are true that there’s teams out there that may actually value Wiggs. Harrison Barnes getting 4 years 88-90 mill gives a little hope to that haha

Yup.

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[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I give away a 1st to get rid of Wiggins to get DLO. Chances are anyone at where we pick(late lotto) or in the teens isn't going to be better than DLO.

Plus we get rid of Wiggins.

[Worm Guts]

If you’re counting on Wiggins to be our primary scorer we’re not winning anything anything anyway. It’s better for the long term health of the team to have that contract gone.

If all we can get is other bad contracts (e.g. Batum), then it's better for the long term health of the team to rehabilitate Wiggins' trade value before we trade him.

I wouldn’t assume his trade value is ever going to get higher. That would require him to play better.

[KG_Wolves]

If you’re counting on Wiggins to be our primary scorer we’re not winning anything anything anyway. It’s better for the long term health of the team to have that contract gone.

If all we can get is other bad contracts (e.g. Batum), then it's better for the long term health of the team to rehabilitate Wiggins' trade value before we trade him.

I wouldn’t assume his trade value is ever going to get higher. That would require him to play better.

Yeah we are in year 6, you are what you are at this point.

[MrDollarBills]

Nets fan here.

Russell is a good kid who is very coachable and has a lot of talent and potential. It hurts me as a fan to see him go because he did everything that the Nets asked him to do and more.

Don't let people like bitter Laker fans muddy the water, this kid is a professional and a hard worker, and he is selfless and humble. I hope he lands with you guys so he can ball with this boy KAT.

[minimus]

It is madness, madness!!!

[theGreatRC]

Getting DLO while getting out of Wiggs contract would kill two birds with one stone.

If we don't have to give up any other asset other than picks, i'll cry

[Mattya]

Getting DLO while getting out of Wiggs contract would kill two birds with one stone.

If we don't have to give up any other asset other than picks, i'll cry

That deserves two statues at least.

[shangrila]

I think if we're counting on Culver and Nowell to be more efficient than Wiggins next season, then we're in trouble.

Why? As I showed, Wiggins is one of the least efficient players in the NBA, less efficient than the average rookie. It would be fair to assume both Culver and Nowell will be more efficient than Wiggins was this season, especially given their profiles (Culver's driving, Nowell's shooting).

A roster of Towns surrounded by the non-attacking and poor outside shooting of Teague, Covington, Okogie, Dieng, KDB plus some unproven rookies might see an improvement an efficiency only because every other possession results in a shot clock violation instead of a missed 2 pointer or missed free throws.

This is complete hyperbolic BS and you know it. Wiggins "attacking" is league worst ish bad and he's a main contributor of the poor outside shooting, so you're not making a convincing argument for why he's necessary or why this scenario is plausible.

If there was ever a perfect recipe to rehabilitate Wiggins' trade value, Rosas has done it. He is going to allow Wiggins to go back to being the primary scorer from the outside rather than play off the ball, which he really struggled with. He kept a coach that knows his strengths and weaknesses and believes in him. He brought in a developmental assistant from Portland that helped guys like Lillard and McCollum become leaders. And he's added to surrounding Wiggins with a glut of defensive wings that can take pressure off him on that side of the ball. So absent an offer that's too good to pass up, I think it makes more sense to gamble that Wiggins' stock will improve, rather than cut bait now when everyone has universally soured on him.

As I've said, multiple times now, the deal I do is one where it doesn't cost much if anything to move him. If it takes multiple 1sts and/or guys like Okogie, sure, you keep him and hope he improves. I don't have any faith it will happen but it's a sunk cost at this point.

And this kind of reasoning is giving me some disturbing Darko vibes. "Oh, he just hasn't been in the right situation. Now the stars have aligned and THIS is the year he breaks out!" The fact is he hasn't been good at anything his entire career. You say he struggled off ball? Well, he sucks on-ball too so why bother? He needs help defensively? Great, so not only is he a poor offensive player now we need to hide him on the other end too. Passing? Average. Rebounding? Below average, though credit that he did improve this last season. And if he does "rehabilitate", what does that even mean? This isn't like we're hoping he'll reach a point he's shown before, no we're hoping he's going to develop into a far superior player to justify the massive contract he's currently on.

[reignfire]

Getting DLO while getting out of Wiggs contract would kill two birds with one stone.

If we don't have to give up any other asset other than picks, i'll cry

The Nets aren't taking salary back. Maybe a 3 team trade?

Memphis seems like a good choice.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Im guessing Charlottes the team. theyre gonna be bad for a while, may as well see if AW figures it out for them

[KG_Wolves]

To be honest I am more excited about getting rid of Wiggs than I am for DLo

Getting DLO while getting out of Wiggs contract would kill two birds with one stone.

If we don't have to give up any other asset other than picks, i'll cry

The Nets aren't taking salary back. Maybe a 3 team trade?

Memphis seems like a good choice.

Sacramento as well

[CP1981]

At some point a guy is what he is. It's not like Wiggins was given inconsistent minutes or never had a clear role. Bringing up his age means little in this particular situation either.

Its always wait until next year, get him a different coach, he will improve in the summer, it's the system, it's his role, he needs a better supporting cast and etc.

At some point fans have to put the blame on the player and stop with all the damn excuses. He plays a ton of minutes and gets all the shots he wants. Dude just isn't what some continue to hope for. If he improves for the next team, then who cares. Get that awful contract off the books and build a better team.

[IceManBK1]

I think the chemistry b/w dlo and towns would be off the charts..can't wait to see the pick and roll and pop ran between them. hopefully dlo gets 30+mins of playing time and can fully utilize his full skillset with the wolves. posting up on smaller guards. turnarounds; fadeaways; attacking the rim. The Nets seem to only run pick and roll everytime down the court for dlo. Good luck, hope you guys get him.

[theGreatRC]

At some point a guy is what he is. It's not like Wiggins was given inconsistent minutes or never had a clear role. Bringing up his age means little in this particular situation either.

Its always wait until next year, get him a different coach, he will improve in the summer, it's the system, it's his role, he needs a better supporting cast and etc.

At some point fans have to put the blame on the player and stop with all the damn excuses. He plays a ton of minutes and gets all the shots he wants. Dude just isn't what some continue to hope for. If he improves for the next team, then who cares. Get that awful contract off the books and build a better team.

I almost fell into the trap of "He just needs a coach that needs to let him play his game" or "he just needs 1 more year" but you can't work on playing hard or having a heart; that part of you is just who you are.

KAT plays with that fire, RoCo, Josh, Teague (even though the life seemed sapped out of him since he became a Wolf), DRose, Jimmy, Taj, Tolliver, you name it.

Wiggins is just happy to be here, get his check and leave. I don't think he truly cares about the game

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I think the chemistry b/w dlo and towns would be off the charts..can't wait to see the pick and roll and pop ran between them. hopefully dlo gets 30+mins of playing time and can fully utilize his full skillset with the wolves. posting up on smaller guards. turnarounds; fadeaways; attacking the rim. The Nets seem to only run pick and roll everytime down the court for dlo. Good luck, hope you guys get him.

same. itd be a shot in the arm we need post Jimmy circus

[minimus]

It would be a dream to see Russell and KAT beasting in offense and RoCo and others killing in defense. If KAT-Russell duo can score efficiently it will be such a relief for defensive minded players. I hope KBD, Culver, RoCo, Okogie and Tyus all stay, because this group might have such an unbelievable chemistry.

At this point I would rather trade one our FRP and two SRPs to trade Wiggins and Dieng.

[theGreatRC]

A KAT/DLO duo would be so exciting, especially cause they're boys. The chemistry on PnR and pick n pops would be insane


Pretty sure they'd always be working out together, too.

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