Doc out!!!!!!!!!

[MartinToVaught]

Wosny Lambre had an interesting report on Doc in the latest Ringer podcast. To quote:

"Some of the Sixers aren't feeling Doc. I ran into somebody who's close to the Sixers when they were in LA. I told them I couldn't pick them to make the finals. They said, 'neither would I.'"

He then clarified that this was coming from players, not the front office.

Sounds like Doc alright. Everywhere he's gone, players have turned on him. I don't think it's a coincidence that this comes out while Sixers fans are complaining about Doc playing favorites with washed-up DJ and Millsap instead of giving playing time to Paul Reed or Charles Bassey. Nothing ruins a locker room faster than blatant favoritism by the coach.

[esqtvd]

same old same old
give the stars a pass
the G-Leaguers will save us

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/76-ers/stop-blaming-doc-rivers-for-sixers-stars-coming-up-short

No one with a brain would question the talent level of Embiid and career accolades of Harden. Both will be in the Hall of Fame one day. Embiid could win the NBA MVP this year. But there hasn’t been a single moment in their respective careers where they’ve shown true championship DNA.

When the game is on the line, I don’t trust either. Against Milwaukee, Harden and Embiid had three looks to tie or win the game.

All three were ugly.

We’re doing it again.

As the NBA playoffs get set to arrive, the stage has been set. It’s not hard to look into the future and see a blown Sixers lead in a playoff game and how the reaction will bubble over as soon as the buzzer sounds.


“Doc Rivers blew it!”

“Those rotations were terrible!”

“The bench is the reason the Sixers can’t beat great teams!”

This, of course, will likely overshadow Joel Embiid and James Harden coming up small in the clutch, just like they did a few nights ago against the Bucks and over the weekend against the Suns. It’s the same story, save for a different co-star. Philadelphia is the only NBA city in America that roasts the head coach and back-up bench players for the stars’ shortcomings.

It’s ridiculous, and this is coming from someone who doesn’t think Rivers is a good coach. He could get canned tomorrow and I wouldn’t mind. He’s not the reason the Sixers win. But he’s also not the reason they can’t finish games.

Tuesday night’s loss to Milwaukee was a dagger for any confidence the Sixers could have given this town heading into the postseason. It was a chance to take down the defending champs, just like Sunday was a chance to take down the defending Western Conference champions. Neither signature win occurred. The Harden-Embiid pairing has been spectacular beating up on bad teams, but not close to championship worthy against real teams.


When the game is on the line, I don’t trust either. Against Milwaukee, Harden and Embiid had three looks to tie or win the game.

All three were ugly.

Harden, likely still nursing a hamstring issue, seemed disinterested in driving or shooting with 30 seconds to go. His pass to Embiid seemed to catch the big man off guard, who then awkwardly dribbled and seemed to rush a contested off-balanced jumper from the wing. Clank.

Then there was the game-ending sequence, which showed the difference between true greatness (Giannis Antetokounmpo) and whatever it is we are watching at the Wells Fargo Center right now. Harden passed up the chance to take a seven footer off the dribble, settled for a contested step-back three, and predictably missed. Embiid, who made a great read and play to crash the glass, corralled the rebound with just under four seconds left. Enough time was on the clock to rise up for a strong dunk, likely setting the stage for a foul and three-point play to win the game. At worst, Embiid should have been guaranteed a trip to the free-throw line.

But Antetokounmpo, the best player and athlete on the floor, swatted away a weak layup attempt by Embiid.

That’s how and why the Sixers lost, not because of Rivers’ rotations that occurred 35 minutes (in real time) prior.


Now we’ll make it about Paul Reed or Charles Bassey or Paul Millsap or some other guy half the fan base wouldn’t recognize if they walked in the room right now.


The NBA isn’t rocket science, especially in close games late against other superstars. Get a stop, get a bucket.

Every NBA era has great players. Most take time to learn how to win a title. But not every great wakes up one day with championship DNA and the ability to rise to the moment in the clutch. We can keep telling ourselves that Harden and Embiid will be the former, and have their moments like Michael Jordan and LeBron James did. But a part of me truly believes the Sixers' hopes lie in two stars more like Karl Malone and Patrick Ewing: Future Hall of Famers without true championship DNA.

Give it about six weeks and re-read this column. I doubt much will change, including the outrage for another lost season being pointed in the wrong direction.

Stop blaming the coach. Start looking at the stars, including the one that’s been the common denominator for years.

[MartinToVaught]

I remember seven seasons' worth of the exact same excuses being made for Doc here, and the results never improved no matter how many times we kept running it back with him. No excuses in the world could get that man past the second round of the playoffs.

Yes, Harden and Embiid are huge choke artists in their own right... but this is team #4 for Doc and he's still doing the exact same things he did in Orlando, Boston and LA. At some point, it's just silly to keep placing all of the blame on the players for Doc's ineptitude when he's failed the exact same way with many different stars, across eras, and in both conferences.

[esqtvd]

Lob City star championships after Doc = 0

Pandemic P got his sh*t together and maybe at age 36--37 in May-- CP3 does too, but

No one with a brain would question the talent level of Embiid and career accolades of Harden. Both will be in the Hall of Fame one day. Embiid could win the NBA MVP this year. But there hasn’t been a single moment in their respective careers where they’ve shown true championship DNA.

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/76-ers/stop-blaming-doc-rivers-for-sixers-stars-coming-up-short

Blake, DJ and all the rest either

[NickP]

Doc is a snake who has always managed to slither his way out of criticism. Thanks to his friends in the media who refuse to call it out for what it really is.
Instead of taking it like a man, he threw Ben Simmons under the bus. This too right after they lost.
Doc is pathetic.

[esqtvd]

Fronting for Ben Simmons? Seriously? The perfect example of the punk loser biotch that Doc gets blamed for lol

Read on Twitter

?lang=zh-Hant

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/15/report-some-76ers-suspected-ben-simmons-faked-potential-coronavirus-exposure-to-dodge-game-7-vs-hawks/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/76ers-star-joel-embiid-says-winning-was-secondary-ben-simmons/te6zgzoedys0usmsxerwhiqo

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/shaq-goes-off-on-ben-simmons-after-5-point-game-7-performance-news.134265.html

Watch on YouTube

[Kelphus]

Doc has been gone for 3 seasons and we're STILL talking about him?
Yeesh.

[MartinToVaught]

Ben is a lot like Doc, oddly enough. Historically awful playoff performer, arrogant despite having a terrible resume, will never acknowledge his own shortcomings and work to fix them because it's always everybody else's fault.

[MartinToVaught]

Lob City star championships after Doc = 0

How many rings has Doc won without one of the most stacked teams in NBA history dragging him kicking and screaming every step of the way?

[nickhx2]

can't grasp that people have a right to talk about doc because of recent history and the fact that he brought us up first to begin with?

yeesh, yourself

[esqtvd]

weak

hundreds of other coaches have zero rings

Lob City star championships after Doc = 0

Pandemic P got his sh*t together and maybe at age 36--37 in May-- CP3 does too, but

No one with a brain would question the talent level of Embiid and career accolades of Harden. Both will be in the Hall of Fame one day. Embiid could win the NBA MVP this year. But there hasn’t been a single moment in their respective careers where they’ve shown true championship DNA.

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/76-ers/stop-blaming-doc-rivers-for-sixers-stars-coming-up-short

Blake, DJ and all the rest either

[esqtvd]

can't grasp that people have a right to talk about doc because of recent history and the fact that he brought us up first to begin with?

yeesh, yourself

no need to shout me down bro
bring your proof I got mine

Ben Simmons? Seriously? The perfect example of the punk loser biotch that Doc gets blamed for lol


https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/10/15/report-some-76ers-suspected-ben-simmons-faked-potential-coronavirus-exposure-to-dodge-game-7-vs-hawks/

Some 76ers suspected Ben Simmons faked potential coronavirus exposure to dodge Game 7 vs. Hawks

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/76ers-star-joel-embiid-says-winning-was-secondary-ben-simmons/te6zgzoedys0usmsxerwhiqo

76ers star Joel Embiid says winning was secondary to Ben Simmons

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/shaq-goes-off-on-ben-simmons-after-5-point-game-7-performance-news.134265.html

Shaq Goes Off On Ben Simmons After 5-Point Game 7 Performance

Read on Twitter

[MartinToVaught]

weak

hundreds of other coaches have zero rings

And most of them would have had at least two rings with that Celtics roster.

[esqtvd]

Celtics? 2008? 14 years ago
not Clipper related

mercy

I'm still not convinced that any coach was the answer for the immaturity and selfishness of the Lob City players--especially thrown into the milieu of the worst organization in sports, that of the historically rapacious and perverse Donald T. Sterling.

And please don't make me rehash the Pandemic P humiliation, and Kawhi perpetually showing up late and PG and Kawhi's private dressing room yada yada yada. And Lou going off the COVID reservation for lemon fkn chicken wings at the strip club and Trezz becoming clinically depressed at the death of his grandmother. Doc took the fall for all that--and hey, the org needed to let him be the fall guy--

If PG doesn't re-sign in the fall of 2020, Kawhi doesn't either in 2021, and the org is completely *fked* until like 2027--when Ballmer turns 70.

Doc HAD to go--guilty or not.

_________________________

As a point of order, this rehash of the rehash of the rehashrehashrehash was about Doc was ACTUALLY talking about--his part in making the Clippers org--especially [!] after the collapse of the Lob City dream--an NBA destination.

Kawhi came to Doc's HOUSE! Not Clipper HQ or a hotel room with Ballmer and Lawrence Frank and a bunch of front office suits pitching him with corporate bullsh*it. Doc had remade the entire organization and just fashioned a playoff team out of NOTHING but the ashes of Lob City.

[Clemenza]

Doc just blamed Harden publicly for their loss at Detroit last night. Its going downhill fast for him yet again

Read on Twitter

[clipperlover]

Doc is truly one of the most overrated coaches of all time.

He is living off of one title that had a starting line-up of 3 HoF players. That line-up needed a 41 pt performance from Paul Pierce to win in Game 7 @ home vs a LeBron James team that had Delonte West and Wally Szerbiak starting. A game where the Cavs were down 1 with 2:20 remaining. A game 7 closeout game where Garnett had 13 and Ray Allen 4 (1 basket in the late 2nd and 2 fts at the end).

Doc was the HC when the Magic traded away Ben Wallace for the sole purpose of being able to give Grant Hill a 7th year at 12.5% raises instead of 6 years at 10%. If Doc understood a player's potential, Ben Wallace would have stayed in Orlando. We all know what Wallace went on to do. Doc's dream of McGrady and Hill. We were able to get Keyon Dooling and Corey Maggette in their salary dump to get 2 stars.

That said. Why do we even keep this thread up. The guy is proving in Philly he is overrated. His son is proving he was never anything more than a 10 day contract pick-up player and not someone you open the checkbook for.

[og15]

Doc has been gone for 3 seasons and we're STILL talking about him?
Yeesh.

This thread came back because of this:

Read on Twitter

?t=UB8uDIwtTacskou0uFnMZg&s=19

Seems pretty relevant to Clippers fans when someone is cited as saying he put the team on the map (media titles of course always to be examined).

[og15]

Doc is truly one of the most overrated coaches of all time.

He is living off of one title that had a starting line-up of 3 HoF players. That line-up needed a 41 pt performance from Paul Pierce to win in Game 7 @ home vs a LeBron James team that had Delonte West and Wally Szerbiak starting. A game where the Cavs were down 1 with 2:20 remaining. A game 7 closeout game where Garnett had 13 and Ray Allen 4 (1 basket in the late 2nd and 2 fts at the end).

Doc was the HC when the Magic traded away Ben Wallace for the sole purpose of being able to give Grant Hill a 7th year at 12.5% raises instead of 6 years at 10%. If Doc understood a player's potential, Ben Wallace would have stayed in Orlando. We all know what Wallace went on to do. Doc's dream of McGrady and Hill. We were able to get Keyon Dooling and Corey Maggette in their salary dump to get 2 stars.

That said. Why do we even keep this thread up. The guy is proving in Philly he is overrated. His son is proving he was never anything more than a 10 day contract pick-up player and not someone you open the checkbook for.

Unless Doc was the GM or in a basketball operations role, why would this pinned to him?

[nickhx2]

i'll give doc whatever credit he deserves for malfeasance but missing out on ben wallace isn't on that list

[esqtvd]

Doc is truly one of the most overrated coaches of all time.

He is living off of one title that had a starting line-up of 3 HoF players. That line-up needed a 41 pt performance from Paul Pierce to win in Game 7 @ home vs a LeBron James team that had Delonte West and Wally Szerbiak starting. A game where the Cavs were down 1 with 2:20 remaining. A game 7 closeout game where Garnett had 13 and Ray Allen 4 (1 basket in the late 2nd and 2 fts at the end).

Doc was the HC when the Magic traded away Ben Wallace for the sole purpose of being able to give Grant Hill a 7th year at 12.5% raises instead of 6 years at 10%. If Doc understood a player's potential, Ben Wallace would have stayed in Orlando. We all know what Wallace went on to do. Doc's dream of McGrady and Hill. We were able to get Keyon Dooling and Corey Maggette in their salary dump to get 2 stars.

That said. Why do we even keep this thread up. The guy is proving in Philly he is overrated. His son is proving he was never anything more than a 10 day contract pick-up player and not someone you open the checkbook for.

Unless Doc was the GM or in a basketball operations role, why would this pinned to him?

mental illness lol