76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

[mjkvol]

Next season I want Joel on the kawhi plan. The NBA can go **** themselves with their fines too.

Yep, shut him down at this point, and let Morey focus on acquiring assets for the off season. And I agree totally - f***k Silver and his bullschiit regular season gimmicks and games played mandates, and come up with a plan for Embiid that gives him the best chance of being healthy and fresh come playoff time.

[sixers hoops]

A 60 day recovery to full clearance gives Jo the final 7 regular season games and about 20 days to get back into some sort of game shape for the playoffs. If it’s any longer than 70 days you just shelf him for the season. Out of shape Jo is an ugly sight and only asking for him to injure himself again somehow.

Completely changes the trade deadline narrative though…how do we get more picks now?

I was just googling the recovery time on the surgery. Shams deleted his tweet, so maybe there is a discrepancy between “injured” or “torn.”

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I hope he just gets the surgery and comes back in two months. My fear is they try to “manage” the pain, and then he is unavailable for big playoff games.

If they add a player next week, they could prob hang onto the six seed. So they would start the series on the road, but there is no reason they shouldn’t be able to beat the Knicks, Cavs, or Pacers with a healthy Embiid.

I'd say we'll know more on Monday whether or not he has the surgery or just tries to rehab it. Personally, I think surgery is probably his best route and he shuts it down until next season. You hate to see him try and come back only to re-aggravate it again or worse. I've seen that happen to a lot of athletes over the years.

I believe when he had meniscus surgery in 2017, he was out for the season. I am not sure if surgery would mean he is out for the season. An article referring to Kawhi’s meniscus, said surgery would require a 3-6 month recovery.

He's absolutely 100% done for the season at this point. There's no way they risk this getting any worse. This is a torn meniscus. He had a partial tear in 2021 against Atlanta, that was bad in its own right. Even if this is a partial tear, he's done for the season. There's no rehabbing this. If it's a tear he has to have surgery if he wants to keep playing basketball.

[sixers hoops]

I hope he just gets the surgery and comes back in two months. My fear is they try to “manage” the pain, and then he is unavailable for big playoff games.

If they add a player next week, they could prob hang onto the six seed. So they would start the series on the road, but there is no reason they shouldn’t be able to beat the Knicks, Cavs, or Pacers with a healthy Embiid.

I'd say we'll know more on Monday whether or not he has the surgery or just tries to rehab it. Personally, I think surgery is probably his best route and he shuts it down until next season. You hate to see him try and come back only to re-aggravate it again or worse. I've seen that happen to a lot of athletes over the years.

Agreed.

This is his third torn meniscus in 8 seasons. Even if he gets surgery, due to his knee arthritis, I feel like he will be just as susceptible to one next season.

I’ll say this, if the Sixers don’t have him on a workout plan to constantly strengthen his knee muscles, then they are part of the problem.

Also, I think Joel calls the shots regarding when he plays now, and it’s part of the problem. A year or two ago, he missed several games, yet he still played in the all-star game. Then he stayed in a blowout to get 30 points. I think after the criticism on Saturday, he forced himself into the Warriors game and got hurt.

To manage his knee issues are barely manageable, but Joel and the team are doing a horrible job making decisions to at least reduce the risk of injury.

[sixers hoops]

I'd say we'll know more on Monday whether or not he has the surgery or just tries to rehab it. Personally, I think surgery is probably his best route and he shuts it down until next season. You hate to see him try and come back only to re-aggravate it again or worse. I've seen that happen to a lot of athletes over the years.

I believe when he had meniscus surgery in 2017, he was out for the season. I am not sure if surgery would mean he is out for the season. An article referring to Kawhi’s meniscus, said surgery would require a 3-6 month recovery.

He's absolutely 100% done for the season at this point. There's no way they risk this getting any worse. This is a torn meniscus. He had a partial tear in 2021 against Atlanta, that was bad in its own right. Even if this is a partial tear, he's done for the season. There's no rehabbing this. If it's a tear he has to have surgery if he wants to keep playing basketball.

Shams said it was torn, then deleted. Woj said the meniscus is injured.

CBS has Joel likely out until March 14. I don’t know where they got that date.

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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I believe when he had meniscus surgery in 2017, he was out for the season. I am not sure if surgery would mean he is out for the season. An article referring to Kawhi’s meniscus, said surgery would require a 3-6 month recovery.

He's absolutely 100% done for the season at this point. There's no way they risk this getting any worse. This is a torn meniscus. He had a partial tear in 2021 against Atlanta, that was bad in its own right. Even if this is a partial tear, he's done for the season. There's no rehabbing this. If it's a tear he has to have surgery if he wants to keep playing basketball.

Shams said it was torn, then deleted. Woj said the meniscus is injured.

CBS has Joel likely out until March 14. I don’t know where they got that date.

Like I said, I think we'll know more on Monday. I'm not exactly sure what the difference is between "torn" and "injured." Woj and the rest of the media are being very vague as usual when they don't actually have the facts. The bottom line is he's done for a while anyway and this season is officially over even if we do somehow make the playoffs. I'm going to re-arrange my expectations once again. I'd like to see the young guys get some burn at this point.

[Mik317]

not as crushed as I would have been in years past (I do feel for Jo obviously).
Team wasn't as close as their record shows anyway IMO. Now you can make moves for the future instead of putting everything on this season anyway.

[76ciology]

Just enjoy the ride. It is what it is.

Tear or no tear, he has to only play 40 games max and stop chasing MVP in regular season every year.

[Negrodamus]

If Joel is shut down for the year, we absolutely need to trade Tobias immediately. Keeping him, in my mind, was about continuity. He is liked by everyone and there’s a rapport that would be invaluable come playoff time. Without Embiid, there’s no reason to compete for anything. Get value out if what’s left of his contract.

All that said, I’m fully expecting Embiid to play through the injury just like he has in years past when he got an injury that will eventually require surgery. It’s not like tearing an ACL.

[76ciology]

If Joel is shut down for the year, we absolutely need to trade Tobias immediately. Keeping him, in my mind, was about continuity. He is liked by everyone and there’s a rapport that would be invaluable come playoff time. Without Embiid, there’s no reason to compete for anything. Get value out if what’s left of his contract.

All that said, I’m fully expecting Embiid to play through the injury just like he has in years past when he got an injury that will eventually require surgery. It’s not like tearing an ACL.

I think thats the plan

[Mik317]

Just enjoy the ride. It is what it is.

Tear or no tear, he has to only play 40 games max and stop chasing MVP in regular season every year.

that requires the team around him to be able to win without him.

which requires the team to be better and able to exist without him....which would in terms also take a lot of responsibility off of him.

Him being one of the best creators on the roster and actually one of maybe two is nuts. Him having to cover up mistakes on defense because half of the roster is bad on that end is nuts. Him having to take alot of jumpers because only one dude knows how to throw entry passes is nuts. That all adds up. Thats on him too as I am sure he thinks he can do it all but he can't and this season was supposed to be about that and they trended back to it being a two man show as the season went on. I've said it for years, he needs to slim down and be more of a play finisher....that means he has to be willing to do so but mainly the FO has to build a team that doesn't require MVP level play to function as well....even if its just to save Jo from himself.

[SixthStreet]

I hope the entire braintrust and talent can come to an agreement to sell at the deadline and load up for the offseason. I don't expect it but that would be the best plan for the remainder of Embiid's career with the 76ers in terms of championship equity.

Assets for Harris, Melton, Oubre. Get a second rounder for Springer and see if you can get anything for Reed (although I don't really think he can be traded anywhere but the Jazz?)

[eyeatoma]

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[Negrodamus]

If Joel is shut down for the year, we absolutely need to trade Tobias immediately. Keeping him, in my mind, was about continuity. He is liked by everyone and there’s a rapport that would be invaluable come playoff time. Without Embiid, there’s no reason to compete for anything. Get value out if what’s left of his contract.

All that said, I’m fully expecting Embiid to play through the injury just like he has in years past when he got an injury that will eventually require surgery. It’s not like tearing an ACL.

I think thats the plan

If it is, I think the Warriors are our only real option. They are in such cap hell and struggling mightily. Tobias is a perfect guy to help them get back in it with the added benefit of being an expiring. Warriors could do the same with DeRozan too.

Kuminga, Moody, or 2026 first would be intriguing pieces to enter FA with.

[eyeatoma]

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Gauranteed Jo is saying he wants to come back, I'm sure others are saying just do the repair.

[Eyeamok]

Shut him down. Go full tank mode....trade everyone except Maxey retool for next season.

It just seemed like yesterday we were celebrating Embiid's historic 70 point game. Looking forward to maybe playing the Bucks and Doc in the 2nd round and in a blink of an eye we are back to process basketball. Damn !

[phillynative]

I'd say we'll know more on Monday whether or not he has the surgery or just tries to rehab it. Personally, I think surgery is probably his best route and he shuts it down until next season. You hate to see him try and come back only to re-aggravate it again or worse. I've seen that happen to a lot of athletes over the years.

Agreed.

This is his third torn meniscus in 8 seasons. Even if he gets surgery, due to his knee arthritis, I feel like he will be just as susceptible to one next season.

I’ll say this, if the Sixers don’t have him on a workout plan to constantly strengthen his knee muscles, then they are part of the problem.

Also, I think Joel calls the shots regarding when he plays now, and it’s part of the problem. A year or two ago, he missed several games, yet he still played in the all-star game. Then he stayed in a blowout to get 30 points. I think after the criticism on Saturday, he forced himself into the Warriors game and got hurt.

To manage his knee issues are barely manageable, but Joel and the team are doing a horrible job making decisions to at least reduce the risk of injury.

This is nothing new and has occurred since the beginning of his career. Their management of him have been less than competent.

[bebopdeluxe]

If Joel is shut down for the year, we absolutely need to trade Tobias immediately. Keeping him, in my mind, was about continuity. He is liked by everyone and there’s a rapport that would be invaluable come playoff time. Without Embiid, there’s no reason to compete for anything. Get value out if what’s left of his contract.

All that said, I’m fully expecting Embiid to play through the injury just like he has in years past when he got an injury that will eventually require surgery. It’s not like tearing an ACL.

I think thats the plan

Why?

We don't know the extent of the injury. While I don't trust the Sixers medical staff any more than you do, at least right now we have no idea of the extent of the tear. Obviously, if it is a significant tear, you have him get the surgery ASAP, but there are two other treatment options if it is not a significant team (rest and meniscectomy) that could have him back in April. And if he can come back this season safely - if the tear is not significant enough for full-blown surgery - then the Sixers must try to get everything they can out of this season...because every Embiid season is precious and should not be wasted.

And if he can come back in April, who cares if they are a 6 or 7 seed? Miami went to the Finals last season as a 7 seed. If Embiid can come back and play (without further damaging the knee), then the only difference between a 3 seed and a 6 seed is one home game.

And I also think that Morey should be aggressive at the deadline. Not doing anything major and letting all of those expired contracts go to waste makes no sense. You can say that they can have a 3rd max or near-max slot this summer, but that will require them to renounce virtually everybody, meaning 1) you have no shot at doing something like signing Harris to a 2-3 year price/value contract, and 2) you will be left with Embiid, Maxey, a 3rd guy, and a bunch of exception and vets minimum contracts - which won't be a lot of fun...especially if Embiid is on the 50-game plan starting next season.

If you can get Murray at the deadline, get him.

[Negrodamus]

If the Heat want a fresh start with their younger guys, they could do the funniest move ever: Jimmy Butler for Tobias.