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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#381 » by dshearn » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:55 am

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oreon wrote:I love how Jovic always ready to scrap in these situations. I really hope he figures it out. If he can, he's a lifer

I agree. He’s got serbian bull in him


Serbs are on another level.


We had an exchange student when I was in HS (it was around their civil war)....He was a mild manner dude with some of the best folk lore stories. I swear he had every girl he came into contact with hanging on is every word. Anyway....some dude took offense to his GF talking to the Serb, and the Serb being his normal charming self. Things got escalated and it ended up with the BF talking about meeting in the parking lot after school so he could straighten him up. The Serb, responded something to the effect..."how about, I end you, your family, and everyone that looks like you and never spend another day thinking about you...."

The German exchange student supposedly spent the rest of the day explaining the Chechen genocide and how Europeans just don't mess with Serbians to the BF. How Germany just deports them, and you can't extradite them back when they commit crimes ..etc..etc...etc...basically they can get away with murder, go back to home and never face the law.

Dude....I knew the Serb, he was not all that...he really wasn't....but between the two exchange students they ran one hell of. mind game on the dude....at the end of that day...the BF...never showed up.


That area of the world has spent 100s if not 1000s of years building a reputation for craziness...you never know what you're going to get from them.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#382 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Dec 30, 2024 5:04 am

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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#383 » by wade44 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 5:10 am

Moral of the story: team is better without defensive sieve Duncan Robinson. Been saying this for many years
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#385 » by Pokuokic » Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:49 am

Run the 2nd unit offense through Jovic hes the only player other than Jimmy who can skip pass out of a double and draw fouls going to the rim, I have been saying this the last 2 seasons hes not a spot up shooter.

Also as much as I hate Terry and his game the fact he went in that hard to scrap for Herro after not playing well shows hes got heart and wants to win but probably due to low IQ does not really know how. Houston shook by the hardest White Boys in the Association.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#386 » by Pokuokic » Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:14 am

dshearn wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
oreon wrote:I love how Jovic always ready to scrap in these situations. I really hope he figures it out. If he can, he's a lifer

I agree. He’s got serbian bull in him


Serbs are on another level.


We had an exchange student when I was in HS (it was around their civil war)....He was a mild manner dude with some of the best folk lore stories. I swear he had every girl he came into contact with hanging on is every word. Anyway....some dude took offense to his GF talking to the Serb, and the Serb being his normal charming self. Things got escalated and it ended up with the BF talking about meeting in the parking lot after school so he could straighten him up. The Serb, responded something to the effect..."how about, I end you, your family, and everyone that looks like you and never spend another day thinking about you...."

The German exchange student supposedly spent the rest of the day explaining the Chechen genocide and how Europeans just don't mess with Serbians to the BF. How Germany just deports them, and you can't extradite them back when they commit crimes ..etc..etc...etc...basically they can get away with murder, go back to home and never face the law.

Dude....I knew the Serb, he was not all that...he really wasn't....but between the two exchange students they ran one hell of. mind game on the dude....at the end of that day...the BF...never showed up.


That area of the world has spent 100s if not 1000s of years building a reputation for craziness...you never know what you're going to get from them.

Its a certain phenotype in the Balkans you pretty much stay away from if they have a square head (block head) with brown/dark hair they tend to be pretty tanky build as well (think Mirko Cro Cop he's Croat or the GSW assistant who passed away Dejan (rip) you do not anger them), the rectangle/circular head with light/light brown hair like Jovic/Jokic are pretty much jokey/happy/chill unless you really go out of your way to piss them off.

It terms of craziness Balkans are well below the Kavkaz/Mountain People south of Russia (Chechnya/Dagestan/Georgia/Armenia and some others they are crazy on a different level there's a reason why for the past 10 years they have began dominating the crap of combat sports despite a smallish population.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#387 » by Jstock12 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:43 am

Pokuokic wrote:
dshearn wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:I agree. He’s got serbian bull in him


Serbs are on another level.


We had an exchange student when I was in HS (it was around their civil war)....He was a mild manner dude with some of the best folk lore stories. I swear he had every girl he came into contact with hanging on is every word. Anyway....some dude took offense to his GF talking to the Serb, and the Serb being his normal charming self. Things got escalated and it ended up with the BF talking about meeting in the parking lot after school so he could straighten him up. The Serb, responded something to the effect..."how about, I end you, your family, and everyone that looks like you and never spend another day thinking about you...."

The German exchange student supposedly spent the rest of the day explaining the Chechen genocide and how Europeans just don't mess with Serbians to the BF. How Germany just deports them, and you can't extradite them back when they commit crimes ..etc..etc...etc...basically they can get away with murder, go back to home and never face the law.

Dude....I knew the Serb, he was not all that...he really wasn't....but between the two exchange students they ran one hell of. mind game on the dude....at the end of that day...the BF...never showed up.


That area of the world has spent 100s if not 1000s of years building a reputation for craziness...you never know what you're going to get from them.

Its a certain phenotype in the Balkans you pretty much stay away from if they have a square head (block head) with brown/dark hair they tend to be pretty tanky build as well (think Mirko Cro Cop he's Croat or the GSW assistant who passed away Dejan (rip) you do not anger them), the rectangle/circular head with light/light brown hair like Jovic/Jokic are pretty much jokey/happy/chill unless you really go out of your way to piss them off.

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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#389 » by Shootit » Mon Dec 30, 2024 1:06 pm

Nice to see the team come back and hold onto a tight lead.

Not sure where this team is really headed though as an unit. Even if Jimmy stays, just feels like they are still a 2nd/3rd tier team to the Celtics.

Just want to see more growth out of guys like Ware, Jovic and other young guys to see who is worth building for the next core.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#390 » by greg4012 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:08 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Ware has unlocked Niko lol. We have a secret weapon bench front court. We do need another complimentary vet big so Jovic can continue his super sub role.


Modern Parish-McHale

Really happy for Niko. I’ve been a harsh critic but this is what i’ve been wanting out of him all along. He plays well off Ware and surely working his way with Bam but if we can just get that one more physical vet PF piece like a Tucker or Crowder i could see us really taking off. Ware is just a special game changing talent in the front court who hasn’t even scratched the surface.


Glad to see you coming around! We all know you would've traded Niko for spare parts a dozen times by now if you had it your way
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#391 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:10 pm

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B…b..b…..buT hE oNlY hAd 12 PoINts

Rockets scored 8 points in the first 2:30 minutes of the 4th, Bam checked in and Houston scored 4 points the rest of the quarter outside of the 2 back to back garbage time 3s that weren’t being defended.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#392 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:11 pm

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Modern Parish-McHale

Really happy for Niko. I’ve been a harsh critic but this is what i’ve been wanting out of him all along. He plays well off Ware and surely working his way with Bam but if we can just get that one more physical vet PF piece like a Tucker or Crowder i could see us really taking off. Ware is just a special game changing talent in the front court who hasn’t even scratched the surface.


Glad to see you coming around! We all know you would've traded Niko for spare parts a dozen times by now if you had it your way

Yes i would have. Glad it’s turning out well in our favor. This instance 100% glad to be wrong in the assessment
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#393 » by Enso » Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:30 pm

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This video ain’t doing herro any favours hide it lol
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#394 » by greg4012 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 3:30 pm

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Ware was always going to take time and require patience. I've been harping on that since we drafted him. The fact that he's already providing some of the force multiplier effects in competitive games while limiting the sort of mistakes that would be expected from a raw center prospect is super encouraging.

I want to reference back to a breakdown I did when we drafted Ware from watching most of his college tape--see Spoiler below--bc I believe we're seeing a lot of it play out in real time as he gets more minutes. If Ware is already proving to fit in the NBA rotation, then we are in REALLY good shape with him because I believe his 3-ball will come around and I believe he still has A LOT more to learn and develop in terms of harnessing his talent within a team scheme.

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Just finished up watching the 2.5 hours of Ware game tape linked above. Took some scattered notes. Nothing groundbreaking. Ware's length and athleticism are real gamechangers on the court. He's thin and light in the a** and needs to add strength/weight.

When he knows where he's going and what he wants to do, he can do it in an elite way. Oftentimes, he's a step delayed or lost while processing things and that's where the lapses come from. My biggest takeaway is that I did not see any motor or attitude issues. He goes hard and seems to care. This only further validates that he has the "want to" to improve and compete on the court. THat was the hope in seeing the Heat draft him after working him out, interviewing him, and doing their due diligence. I feel even better about his attitude concerns being a bit of a false flag after watching the game tape.

OFFENSE:

- His touch is legit and he looks natural getting up shots on all 3 levels of the court.

- Doesn’t really seem to have any go-to offensive moves--freestyling everything but looks comfortable/natural doing a lot of things on offense. He needs to develop 1 or 2 go-to rhythm moves where when he unexpectedly gets the ball or needs to be the source offense in a bind, he can get into his rhythm shots.

- I’m encouraged by him working as a connective passer. Showed general awareness to move the ball to open guys. I don’t expect him to ever be a creator. He’s a connective passer and a play finisher IMO. Not a blackhole with tunnel vision. Capable passer—showed range in the type of passes he made and difficulty level.

- He would work as a zone buster in middle of court; good at finding cutters; looks natural passing from the perimeter and moving the ball

- His assist numbers probably would have been better if he had capable shooters around him. Indiana's spacing was abysmal. Indiana ranked 265th in the nation in team 3pt% (32%) and 344th in team 3PA per game (out of 351 teams). Ware was constantly dealing with a lot of bodies/traffic around him in the paint on offense.

- Ware is not currently a people mover (boxing out or screening), but he seemed to be a much more willing screener than I was expecting. Between working on his technique and strength, I think he'll be a positive on that front sooner rather than later (just look at Niko's progression on that front in 1 year).

- He needs to "find work" more often when off the ball. A lot of this falls on coaching IMO and my general takeaway overall--Ware needs to have defined specialized roles early on that he can focus on executing with full confidence.

- Most of his turnovers seemed to come when the offense is stuck and he's trying to create offense (no reliable go-to move). I did not see a ton of errant passes/bad decisions. As noted, he dealt with A LOT of traffic/bodies in the paint.

- Some ball security issues arose from Ware not being strong enough in the paint. Ware would often get stripped by a 2nd or 3rd body in the paint when he brings the ball down to get into a move to try to score/create.

- A few turnovers were from moving screen calls on offense--I can dig it because it showed his desire to move people instead of slipping screens and avoiding contact.

- He showed no signs of a functional handle at Indiana. Would almost never even dribble the ball up after a rebound in transition. It seemed like he was specifically told not to do so. A few of his turnovers were the result of him putting the ball on the floor. I wouldn't bank on Ware being much of an off the dribble driver early on.

DEFENSE:

- Ware's combination of length and movement ability is rare. It shows up on the court well beyond his block numbers. It impacts how drivers approach the paint and put up shots.

- From the tape I saw, Ware is not a shut down defender today. He's inconsistent with elite tools. He also clearly was not in a system or context to be a shut down defender.

- Ware didn't have good defensive teammates around him to make his job any easier. Indiana ranked 234th in defensive efficiency this season. Indiana had 4 of 5 new starters this season. The 1 returning starter was Trey Galloway (Senior). He was the worst defensive starter on last year's Indiana team that tanked 102nd defensively. The other 3 starters along Ware were 2 freshman and a Sophomore transfer (so 4 of 5 starters weren't with the program last year).

- Ware's full extended length shows up a lot and makes things difficult for the opposition. He highpoints rebounds and alters a lot of shots by extending and being a long wall defensively.

- Ware's length and coordination consistently show up defensively--including getting hands on balls that appear to be going through clean passing lanes (deflections). He's not lumbering defensively--he looks natural moving on defense even when he's out in space.

- He looks engaged defensively, but sometimes appears a step slow processing or being certain what action to take in team defense (sometimes he's ball watching too much as a result).

- Ware needs to work on his body positioning and footwork mirroring defensively. With his physical skills, there is a A LOT of upside if he can get more consistent with his footwork and use of body positioning for team defense. Indiana's defensive rotations were poor as a whole (see defensive efficiency rating).

- Ware looks good sliding his feet when guarding along the perimeter. Often times you see drivers spazz out as they expect to be able to blow by Ware off a switch but he stays with them stride for stride. Perimeter players aren't going to just walk past him. Ware was susceptible to getting put on skates with craft double moves, though.

- Ware uses his length well, but his weaker base consistently shows up when battling for positioning in the paint.

- Ware is more of a reactionary defender than he is an anticipatory defender at this point. He shows discipline by not jumping at every shot fake. He actually looked too delayed at times in reacting. I wonder if some of this was him being coached to not overreact.

- Ware is a very good shotblocker and rim deterrent. But, I can't place him in the elite category as a shotblocker.

- Ware faced Zach Edey twice this season. Edey got his against Indiana. Refs called A LOT of tick tack fouls against Ware vs Edey. Interestingly, when you dig a little deeper, you find that Edey's 3rd and 4th least efficient games of the season were in the matchup against Ware. Ware battled and made it hard for Edey on a possession by possession basis in the paint. Very encouraging IMO. He blocked Edey numerous times (more than accounted for in the official stats).

FINAL THOUGHTS:

- Ware will benefit GREATLY from quality coaching, working within defined systems, NBA spacing, and operating as a supporting piece rather than the primary offensive option and defensive anchor.

- The 2 biggest boosts to Ware's impact will come from gaining functional strength and operating within a clearly defined role.

- When Ware knows where he wants to go, his athleticism and length are impressive to see on display.

- I believe his shooting touch is for real and Miami should have him working as a floor spacer from the jump.

I'm excited to watch Ware play. I believe and hope he should get some rotation minutes from the get-go as a backup center, but Miami will need to be patient with his development. I expect Ware to follow a similar trajectory to Jovic with regards to weight gain and developing the toolkit to bump with bigs (screening, boxing out, etc). I think Ware's natural physical gifts and shooting touch should allow him to slot into a low usage off-ball role from the jump where he's solely a play finisher and not hunting for his own offense. Defensively, he'll need developmental time to defend the stronger frontcourt players. He can have his greatest impact in a limited role where he "hides" on corner 3 pt shooters and doubles as the weakside rim protector.

If Ware fills out his frame to eventually be a 245+ pound big and can play confidently within his specifically designated role, then skies the limit as a force multiplier for Miami on both sides of the ball. It will take a couple years to get there. He's not a Derrick Lively level defensive player today. But he has more offensive upside IMO.


Also, I want to pair this with a prior post you shared:

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Mentioned this action a week or 2 ago, more of this please.



I believe the 2 things that will accelerate the path to having Bam and Ware share the court for extended time are (1) using Bam more in the above-referenced facilitator role--see Draymond Green playing with centers throughout his career and (2) the continued development of Ware and Bam as off-ball floor spacers.

#1 has potential to ramp up this season IMO. #2 is a bit of a longer lead time for it to be fully functional in high level game play IMO, but it is progressing.

As always with this build, the fact that neither Jimmy nor Bam are true floor spacers adds another wrench of complexity to this dynamic as going BIG in the frontcourt without one of the 2 being a true pure shooter requires the 1-3 spots to all be reliable and willing 3 pt shooters.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#395 » by greg4012 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:32 pm

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Nice to have you back on the train, MWP.

Games like tonight show why we need to persist with Jovic. He has raw talent, like Ware, just in a different package. He’s gonna have good games and bad, but we need to see if there’s a real player there. He’s building.


And his inconsistency can hopefully result in a team-friendly extension after this season
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#396 » by Voltron914 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 5:04 pm

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this altercation ended the potential houston trade. jimmy will have to opt and go in the summer :lol: Jovic and Rozier wanted all the smoke with Highsmith coming with the back up. i love it
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#397 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Dec 30, 2024 5:07 pm

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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

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this altercation ended the potential houston trade. jimmy will have to opt and go in the summer :lol: Jovic and Rozier wanted all the smoke with Highsmith coming with the back up. i love it


Nah. It ain't that serious. Both FO don't care one iota about that fight. If Rockets loose interest in Jimmy its cuz they prefer a younger star in Fox than anything else
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#399 » by SerialChiller » Mon Dec 30, 2024 5:58 pm

Whoa I left at halftime to watch the football game and it looks like all hell broke loose!
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#400 » by SerialChiller » Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:01 pm

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Run it up in the locker room if it’s like that “Amen”


This video ain’t doing herro any favours hide it lol


He looks like a horrible boxer :lol:

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