2018 Offseason Thread

[Pillendreher]

was patrick patterson healthy last season?

Yes.

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perhaps you need to refresh yourself and listen to patrick patterson's exit interview where he says he was not healthy last season. or the myriad of articles coming out now hyping him up (deservingly!) because he's healthy coming into this year (v. last year).

you're making no sense and your entire position on this is a contradiction.

There's a vast difference between being in worse shape body-wise and being injured. But you of course know this. That's why you're pushing this nonsense - it's important for your conspiracy theory. If Thunder players rarely miss games because of injuries, they gotta play injured to fit your agenda driven take.

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[slick_watts]

Yes.

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perhaps you need to refresh yourself and listen to patrick patterson's exit interview where he says he was not healthy last season. or the myriad of articles coming out now hyping him up (deservingly!) because he's healthy coming into this year (v. last year).

you're making no sense and your entire position on this is a contradiction.

There's a vast difference between being in worse shape body-wise and being injured. But you of course know this. That's why you're pushing this nonsense - it's important for your conspiracy theory. If Thunder players rarely miss games because of injuries, they gotta play injured to fit your agenda driven take.

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we can disagree on whether or not kevin durant played hurt, cameron payne played hurt, kendrick perkins played hurt, andre roberson played hurt, etc. that's all up for debate to some degree, especially insofar as it played into their long term injury status. i'm questioning your dogmatic and contradictory definition for team and player health, namely that if players are in the game they are healthy. when you and i and everyone knows that's not true. you're trying to dance around this by making a thin distinction between 'injured' and 'being in worse shape body-wise' (what?) that does not exist in the real world. if i had asked you a week ago if patrick patterson had a healthy season, you would say no, and you've said as much before when questions arose about his performance. but in the context of this discussion, you are defining health as merely playing in the game or not. i'm not the one with the narrative or agenda here, you are.

there's no conspiracy theory, only events. draw the conclusion you want from the events but you can't change the events. and the commonplace interpretation of the events is that the thunder are cagey, difficult, and misleading when it comes to reporting player injuries and prognoses. like i said, compare the reporting on jeremy lin's injury and andre roberson's for just one example.

[spearsy23]

i mean, we're defining healthy as playing. i don't think that's an acceptable, inclusive definition of healthy within the context of this conversation. for reasons i stated above. patrick patterson played 82 games last year. did he have a 'healthy' season?

You prefer to define healthy in some vague, unknown, only determined by Slick's untrained medical diagnosis way?

i think patrick patterson is an apt example of what i mean. by pille's definition he had a healthy year. would anyone really agree with that? paul george only missed three games last season however complained numerous times about a nagging injury to his shooting wrist that may have played a role in his inconsistency. did he have a healthy year?

this isn't some nebulous idea i am proposing, these are issues that were brought up (re: patterson and george) by everyone here and by the players themselves regarding their health. but i guess we will ignore that and take the most narrow definition of health possible because sunshine or oklaHOME or whatever.

You're attempting to bog the conversation down in semantics to distract from the invalidity of your presumption that the Thunder are more injury prone than other teams.

If you want to continue this line of conversation then you need to prove that the Thunder have an inordinate amount of nagging health issues to a point that it completely invalidates the fact that they're missing fewer games than almost anyone.

[slick_watts]

You're attempting to bog the conversation down in semantics to distract from the invalidity of your presumption that the Thunder are more injury prone than other teams.

where did i make such a presumption? this is not an argument about semantics, it's about the thunder being either dishonest or incompetent or both when it comes to injury prognoses. not whether or not the thunder are injury prone.

Pillendreher and Krstnz and i assume you are trying to claim that since the thunder players do not miss many games that they are relatively healthy, and my argument about their handling of injuries is somehow invalid. which is ridiculous because a) it has nothing to do with that and b) playing in a game doesn't mean a player is healthy. i'm not the one playing semantics here.

If you want to continue this line of conversation then you need to prove that the Thunder have an inordinate amount of nagging health issues to a point that it completely invalidates the fact that they're missing fewer games than almost anyone.

was patrick patterson healthy last season? he was not. and like i said above, this isn't even part of the debate, it's a straw man. if andre roberson is out until december or january it makes the thunder's press release in may yet another idiotic injury prognosis in a very long line of them.

[bondom34]

[retrobro90]

Caught the second half of our skeleton squad against Detroit tonight. I have no idea why Burton did not play so hopefully someone has some insight. Our young fellas look young but damn are they long and athletic. I like guards that make rebounds look exciting. The Ferguson/Diallo/Grant/Noel lineup is just merciless getting their hands in the passing lanes.

Diallo is very much a project. Decision making and the J are about an F+ at the moment.

Schroder getting calls is important and I guess Billy got T'd for saying "we've been getting a **** whistle all night!". 9 FT attempts (and makes) is huge in the minutes he played. That's gonna be key for our 2nd unit offense to have a guy who can efficiently create and make his charity points.

Abrines looked brutal on D in the 3rd. Lost off the ball and not able to close out or contain. Not sure how he looked early on but not encouraging that he was so bad defensively and not crazy active/available on offense.

Raymond Felton will and should play this year even if OKC is at full health. Even in his weird isos he's such a better decision maker/passer than almost everyone in our 2 guard rotation. And he can space it.

Grant has a total green light this preseason and he hasn't delivered the way he probably should but I get impressed with his tough angle finishes and the types of things he's willing to try as a scorer off the dribble. It's wild to think about how poor of a ball handler he was two years ago and how adept he is now.

Nerlens must have had 3 missed dunks in that second half. Kinda weird game for him. Spent most of the 3rd and 4th matched up with Drummond who feasted on him. Nerlens also looks like a parasaurolophus.

[Pillendreher]

Raymond Felton will and should play this year even if OKC is at full health. Even in his weird isos he's such a better decision maker/passer than almost everyone in our 2 guard rotation. And he can space it.

I disagree completely. Felton should be the 3rd guard that's restricted to garbage time. The difference in the offense was insane. Schröder wasn't exactly surrounded by offensive stalwarts all the time, but he always found a way to get the team moving and to create a decent opportunity at a made basket. With Felton, there is no such thing. He was better than Christon last year, but he can't run an offense by himself. If they really want to stay competitive all the time offensively, one of Russ or Schröder has to be out there at all times. Felton is not making up for his lack of creation by hitting trash iso shots.

Grant has a total green light this preseason and he hasn't delivered the way he probably should but I get impressed with his tough angle finishes and the types of things he's willing to try as a scorer off the dribble. It's wild to think about how poor of a ball handler he was two years ago and how adept he is now.

He looks a hell of a lot rougher when he doesn't get his superstar calls. They need to reign him in and make him do the things he actually can do.

[slick_watts]

I like guards that make rebounds look exciting.

[retrobro90]

Raymond Felton will and should play this year even if OKC is at full health. Even in his weird isos he's such a better decision maker/passer than almost everyone in our 2 guard rotation. And he can space it.

I disagree completely. Felton should be the 3rd guard that's restricted to garbage time. The difference in the offense was insane. Schröder wasn't exactly surrounded by offensive stalwarts all the time, but he always found a way to get the team moving and to create a decent opportunity at a made basket. With Felton, there is no such thing. He was better than Christon last year, but he can't run an offense by himself. If they really want to stay competitive all the time offensively, one of Russ or Schröder has to be out there at all times. Felton is not making up for his lack of creation by hitting trash iso shots.

Grant has a total green light this preseason and he hasn't delivered the way he probably should but I get impressed with his tough angle finishes and the types of things he's willing to try as a scorer off the dribble. It's wild to think about how poor of a ball handler he was two years ago and how adept he is now.

He looks a hell of a lot rougher when he doesn't get his superstar calls. They need to reign him in and make him do the things he actually can do.

Oh I agree there should never be a lineup without either Russ or Schroder. I just think Ray should get some minutes in the two guard slot. Between Abrines/TLC/Ferg/Diallo that's four guys who don't really know what to do or can't do much with the ball in their hands if they're not shooting or finishing. The minutes data from last year with lineups featuring Russ+Felton together aren't encouraging but maybe subbing Patterson in for Melo makes a difference (I think it will).

It's just so obvious at this point that Grant should be playing off the bench. If he wants to continue playing like ultra long and springy shabazz muhammad I'd rather him self create alongside schroder than Russ/PG/Adams.

[retrobro90]

I like guards that make rebounds look exciting.

I'm sorry slick. Here, this might help.

Exciting (ikˈsīdiNG) adjective -- causing great enthusiasm and eagerness.

It's a feeling I sometimes get when I watch basketball. Much different than bitterness or mistrust.

[slick_watts]

I like guards that make rebounds look exciting.

I'm sorry slick. Here, this might help.

Exciting (ikˈsīdiNG) adjective -- causing great enthusiasm and eagerness.

It's a feeling I sometimes get when I watch basketball. Much different than bitterness or mistrust.

does not compute.

[Pillendreher]

Erik Horne said that Donovan wants to play both Noel and Adams together. I don't know how I feel about that. It could be great defensively, but man, it can't just be "playing fast". Somebody needs to shoot it.

[retrobro90]

Erik Horne said that Donovan wants to play both Noel and Adams together. I don't know how I feel about that. It could be great defensively, but man, it can't just be "playing fast". Somebody needs to shoot it.

Can't see that working outside of late game situations where we need a stop at the basket. I don't trust nerlens' mid-range J. I know one of them went in yesterday but he's still real tentative releasing.

Donovan will throw out every awful combination though. Probably see that lineup way more than we should

[bondom34]

PG playing tomorrow.

[ThunderBolt]

PG playing tomorrow.

hmm that seems mighty suspicious that his “personal reasons” are all resolved. were they ever really there? did he have an emergency colonoscopy that the thunder aren’t telling us? i can’t put my finger on it yet, but something is seriously wrong and it’s going to trace back to sam.

[bondom34]

PG playing tomorrow.

hmm that seems mighty suspicious that his “personal reasons” are all resolved. were they ever really there? did he have an emergency colonoscopy that the thunder aren’t telling us? i can’t put my finger on it yet, but something is seriously wrong and it’s going to trace back to sam.

It was reported, his father in law died.

And yes I know it was a joke lol

[slick_watts]

PG playing tomorrow.

hmm that seems mighty suspicious that his “personal reasons” are all resolved. were they ever really there? did he have an emergency colonoscopy that the thunder aren’t telling us? i can’t put my finger on it yet, but something is seriously wrong and it’s going to trace back to sam.

you're smarter than this. your track record of skepticism on this board hasn't gone unnoticed. don't let the feelies take away your edge.

[ThunderBolt]

PG playing tomorrow.

hmm that seems mighty suspicious that his “personal reasons” are all resolved. were they ever really there? did he have an emergency colonoscopy that the thunder aren’t telling us? i can’t put my finger on it yet, but something is seriously wrong and it’s going to trace back to sam.

you're smarter than this. your track record of skepticism on this board hasn't gone unnoticed. don't let the feelies take away your edge.

And you’re skin should be thicker than this. Lighten up. It’s all in good fun.

I’m pretty open that I get pissed and say things I don’t mean in game threads....and yes I’m skeptical too but that doesn’t mean I’m angry with all things thunder.

[Thundershock88]

Cringing at the thought of Noel and Adams floor spacing. Especially with Roberson.

[Jstock12]

Anyone going to watch the ex-Thunder showdown? Harden/Melo vs Dipo/Domas/Doug