Gasol is far better than Dwight Howard

[thegreatblaze]

Howard never got the critics Gasol had received in his career. Howard's still known as the best big man in the game, when he has done nothing to prove it

How about getting to the finals as the best player on the team, when Gasol's best tries ended unanimously in 1st round sweeps. How about that.

Gasol is much better now than he was then.

[thegreatblaze]

Don't feed the troll. OP is a sad Blazer fan, mad that Oden was supposed to compete with Dwight, but is not anywhere near his level.

Yeah I'm sure that's it

[etopn23]

Howard never got the critics Gasol had received in his career. Howard's still known as the best big man in the game, when he has done nothing to prove it

How about getting to the finals as the best player on the team, when Gasol's best tries ended unanimously in 1st round sweeps. How about that.

Thank God someone is still sane around here.

[kookie_819]

Howard never got the critics Gasol had received in his career. Howard's still known as the best big man in the game, when he has done nothing to prove it

How about getting to the finals as the best player on the team, when Gasol's best tries ended unanimously in 1st round sweeps. How about that.

Gasol is much better now than he was then.

I don't know about "much better". I think Gasol is similar to Tim Duncan in that he came into the league already highly skilled. Looking back at Gasol in his Grizzlies days, he still had the great touch in the post, the great passing, etc. I think if he really got "much better" at one thing, it would have to be his rebounding.

Don't feed the troll. OP is a sad Blazer fan, mad that Oden was supposed to compete with Dwight, but is not anywhere near his level.

Yeah I'm sure that's it

It's the only legitimate reason as to why the OP is like this, calling Dwight out for having "zero skills" (absolutely untrue, in terms of both offense and defense) and basically a prime Ben Wallace (an insulting comparison for Dwight).

I mean, would you really take Gasol over Dwight? As a Magic fan I'm probably more biased towards Dwight than you are to Pau, but I'll give you the fact that Gasol is more polished on offense, although I'd still take Dwight over him due to the fact that 1. Dwight draws FAR more attention from opposing defenses than does Pau and 2. Dwight is much more efficient in getting his points, despite the fact that Dwight gets more attention and that Pau plays with a more talented team with a top 5 player in Kobe.

But still, is the gap between Gasol and Howard on offense (which, I repeat, is minimal if there's any gap) THAT much bigger than Dwight's advantage on defense and rebounding? I think it's pretty simple if you think about it that way. Plus, Gasol's at least 5 years older than Dwight. To be honest, if we had the same expectations for Gasol like we do for Dwight, we'd be bashing Gasol for not being the uncontested best big man in the game today, considering the fact that Gasol's in his prime while Dwight's still a few years away from his.

[kookie_819]

and its far from a fact that dwights offense > gasol's vs boston.. it is very close:

gasol: 7gms 18.6ppg 11.6rpg 5off.rpg 3.7apg 1.9to/g 48%fg 72%ft
dwight: 6gms 21.8ppg 10.8rpg 2.7off.rpg .7apg 3.5to/g 57%fg 55%ft

gasol averaged TWICE as many offensive rebounds per game and had a ~2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio while dwight sported a ONE TO FIVE assist to turnover ratio.. dwight was way more efficient from the field, gasol was way more efficient from the line.. idk about anyone else, but im taking gasol here easily.. between the offense rebounds and turnovers, he gave his team 4 more possessions a game than dwight.. please tell me how after all that, dwight had a superior offensive performance vs the celtics?

ok so i broke down your entire post, and literally every single line/statement you made was extremely flawed or flat out false, please think and do research before you fry the brains of others on here, there's enough wackos on here as it is..

I don't know about you, but I think it's absolutely foolish to judge two players based on a sample size as small as 7 and 6 games, respectively.

[DrunkOnMystery]

Here's a serious question I"ve had for a while now:

Given that Hedo Turkoglu was considered overpaid at the MLE when the Magic initially signed him, and given that he's underperformed everywhere he's played that DIDN'T include an all-star level Dwight Howard, how many more seasons does he have to underwhelm before people start thinking that maybe Dwight just made him look much better than he was?

[Dr Positivity]

The thing about Gasol that's special is the versatility. You can play him in basically any role and any lineup. He can score inside and midrange, he passes, he can anchor great defenses, he can be the go-to guy or clear second option, he can create his own shot or be a catch and score guy, he's a PF and a C. IMO this is a very underrated aspect when ranking players. For example look at how the Lakers have been able to respond without Bynum the last three years. Gasol is able to shift to C beside Odom and anchor the defense and they're fine. When Bynum's back Gasol plays PF and they're fine. In the 4th quarter of Game 7 the Celtics were in foul trouble and in the penalty so Gasol is there to hit the post and take advantage of it. If the Lakers get Bosh next year Gasol will fit fine with him too. You can take players all around the league and basically every single one of them could fit well with Gasol because he can mold his game to fit them.

Dwight is different in that he's the best in the league at defending, rebounding, and finishing at the rim, but that's what he does, no more, no less. Now this is fine. But for example against the Celtics this year - they had the plan of covering the 3pt shooters to stop the Magic offense... and he couldn't do anything about it. Didn't have the post game to fully utilize the single coverage. Didn't have the passing to create shots out of his inside presence. They needed playmaking out of the post to free up the offense and he didn't have it. Dwight is not a guy where he can adapt to give whatever his team needs. He excels at d, rebounding, and finishing, if you need more than that to win he won't give it to you.

I still consider Dwight a better player than Gasol. But I don't think it's a joke of a question just because Dwight has led 60 win teams.

[shawngoat23]

Dwight easily, but I'll take Gasol over big besides Dwight and DIrk.

[bringinhinkie]

and its far from a fact that dwights offense > gasol's vs boston.. it is very close:

gasol: 7gms 18.6ppg 11.6rpg 5off.rpg 3.7apg 1.9to/g 48%fg 72%ft
dwight: 6gms 21.8ppg 10.8rpg 2.7off.rpg .7apg 3.5to/g 57%fg 55%ft

gasol averaged TWICE as many offensive rebounds per game and had a ~2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio while dwight sported a ONE TO FIVE assist to turnover ratio.. dwight was way more efficient from the field, gasol was way more efficient from the line.. idk about anyone else, but im taking gasol here easily.. between the offense rebounds and turnovers, he gave his team 4 more possessions a game than dwight.. please tell me how after all that, dwight had a superior offensive performance vs the celtics?

ok so i broke down your entire post, and literally every single line/statement you made was extremely flawed or flat out false, please think and do research before you fry the brains of others on here, there's enough wackos on here as it is..

I don't know about you, but I think it's absolutely foolish to judge two players based on a sample size as small as 7 and 6 games, respectively.

uhh did you bother to read the post i quoted? HE is the one that brought up dwight performing better offensively against boston than gasol which is a flawed statement just like his entire post.. and anyone with half a brain knows gasols offense is lightyears ahead of dwights

[RipCityLives]

Howard never got the critics Gasol had received in his career. Howard's still known as the best big man in the game, when he has done nothing to prove it

How about getting to the finals as the best player on the team, when Gasol's best tries ended unanimously in 1st round sweeps. How about that.

Thank God someone is still sane around here.

PG-Jason williams
SG-Mike Miller
SF- Shane Battier
PF- Stromile Swift
C- Dwight Howard

PG- Chucky Atkins
SG-Mike Miller
SF- James Posey
PF- Jake Tsakalidis
C- Dwight Howard

PG- Damon Stoudamire
SG- Eddie Jones
SF- Shane Battier
PF-Lorenzen Wright
C- Dwight Howard

Good luck to play finals beating the early 2000s Western Conference.

[DrunkOnMystery]

and anyone with half a brain knows gasols offense is lightyears ahead of dwights

That makes sense given that Dwight averages more points on better efficiency.

[DrunkOnMystery]

PG-Jason williams
SG-Mike Miller
SF- Shane Battier
PG- Stromile Swift
C- Dwight Howard

PG- Chucky Atkins
SG-Mike Miller
SF- James Posey
PG- Jake Tsakalidis
C- Dwight Howard

PG- Damon Stoudamire
SG- Eddie Jones
SF- Shane Battier
PG- Lorenzen Wright
C- Dwight Howard

Good luck to play finals beating the early 2000s Western Conference.

Well, clearly Memphis's biggest problem was that they were running Stromile Swift, Jake Tsakalidis and Lorenzen Wright at point guard.

[RipCityLives]

^^Ok, edit. But you know what I tried to say.

[now and 4 life]

Dwight Howard doesn't show up against actual big men. He pads his stats against the Bargnani's of the world.

[Hilltop]

The fact that the OP thinks Hedo and Rashard were the key pieces for the Magic's Finals run is proof of his knowledge on the subject.

[j-ragg]

Dwight Howard doesn't show up against actual big men. He pads his stats against the Bargnani's of the world.

21 ppg on 57% against Perkins is showing up quite nicely.

[farzi]

Don't feed the troll. OP is a sad Blazer fan, mad that Oden was supposed to compete with Dwight, but is not anywhere near his level.

He's most definitely not a Blazer fan

[Dupp]

Gimme Dwight over everybody in the league except LeBron

Really?

thats not a stupid statement at all. if you take in account age and health its pretty on the money

[Dupp]

this topics been done a bit. howard is most definantly better than gasol. op's making alot of stupid statements

[bringinhinkie]

and anyone with half a brain knows gasols offense is lightyears ahead of dwights

That makes sense given that Dwight averages more points on better efficiency.

yes b/c ppg and fg% are the only aspects of offense

not to mention gasol playing alongside a man with a ~32% usage % year in and year out

again, anyone with half a brain knows gasols offense is lightyears ahead of dwights.. dwights strength is his d and rebounding which are superb, to say he is superior to gasol on offense is just asinine