The Heat and Tampering

[now and 4 life]

So, are you staying with the ''lj4mvp'' screen name?

I haven't decided what to change it to yet.

lj4finalsmvp

[heatwillbeback]

the free agent summit was not tampering. Players are allowed to talk about where they want to play, and if they want to play with one another

Any discussion at all of their joining together in Miami from the time they entered the league until July 1st, 2010 is tampering by Wade. Any involvement by Riley or Arison is also tampering.

There is no evidence of involvement by Riley until Riley's meeting

they got the hint in 2006. That wasnt tampering

Im sure they talked about NY and Chicago in the meeting as well. They probably talked about the options they had, and planned years on having.

[Slava]

I don't think players talking to players amounts to tampering. At the risk of opening up a can of worms, Pau and Kobe were in contact with each other in Barcelona the summer before Pau got traded to LA but if Riley was plotting this and using Wade as his pawn, this is something serious and definitely needs to be investigated by the NBA.

[J-Ville Smoke]

You can hate on these guys for a number of reasons, but I don't think tampering is one of them.

[5DOM]

I don't think players talking to players amounts to tampering. At the risk of opening up a can of worms, Pau and Kobe were in contact with each other in Barcelona the summer before Pau got traded to LA but if Riley was plotting this and using Wade as his pawn, this is something serious and definitely needs to be investigated by the NBA.

That's going to be so effective

[Hoops23]

I doubt the Heat tamper. The players maybe.
Three years ago, I open a thread at the Heat board about Wade and LeBron are planning to play together someday thats why they signed a 4 year contract instead. But a lot of Heat posters rip and bash me. Now it happens.

I believe these trio planned it in the past to play together, and the Heat has a better read to it than other teams thats why Riley cleared a lot of space for them.

I think Riley was ahead of everybody thats why he got the trio. Smart man.

Is there a player tampering if they planned it that way?

[Slava]

I don't think players talking to players amounts to tampering. At the risk of opening up a can of worms, Pau and Kobe were in contact with each other in Barcelona the summer before Pau got traded to LA but if Riley was plotting this and using Wade as his pawn, this is something serious and definitely needs to be investigated by the NBA.

That's going to be so effective

yeah knowing what we do, Stern is left with a perpetual boner ever since Lebron made his decision so why would he destroy something that just replaced his Viagra supply?

[Free Rider]

There's absolutely no evidence of tampering by the Heat organization. Players are permitted to talk to each other and discuss future opportunities to play with one another. Unless Riley was using Wade as his agent to orchestrate this entire deal (something that can never be proved) there's no way the league is going to punish them for tampering. More likely these three guys have been talking about playing together for a while and Wade let Riley know about it, thereby allowing Riley to clear up his roster to sign all three of them. None of that amounts to tampering, it's just a smart GM with inside info taking advantage of a golden opportunity.

[Harry Heinous]

There's absolutely no evidence of tampering by the Heat organization. Players are permitted to talk to each other and discuss future opportunities to play with one another. Unless Riley was using Wade as his agent to orchestrate this entire deal (something that can never be proved) there's no way the league is going to punish them for tampering. More likely these three guys have been talking about playing together for a while and Wade let Riley know about it, thereby allowing Riley to clear up his roster to sign all three of them. None of that amounts to tampering, it's just a smart GM with inside info taking advantage of a golden opportunity.

Exactly, very well said.

[Chester0]

You can hate on these guys for a number of reasons, but I don't think tampering is one of them.

Definitely not. But the issue is whether or not the Heat FO was in on it.

The fact of the matter is that no one has any idea who was involved precisely with what. If the Bosh, Wade, and James had been planning on this for years though, I find it hard to believe that Wade didn't slip a few clues to Riley. It is all speculation, but this whole thing just feels slimy.

[Chester0]

There's absolutely no evidence of tampering by the Heat organization. Players are permitted to talk to each other and discuss future opportunities to play with one another. Unless Riley was using Wade as his agent to orchestrate this entire deal (something that can never be proved) there's no way the league is going to punish them for tampering. More likely these three guys have been talking about playing together for a while and Wade let Riley know about it, thereby allowing Riley to clear up his roster to sign all three of them. None of that amounts to tampering, it's just a smart GM with inside info taking advantage of a golden opportunity.

Wait.. is.. that.. not.. tampering

[magicfan4life05]

Must read:

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... s_cou.html

[INKtastic]

There's absolutely no evidence of tampering by the Heat organization. Players are permitted to talk to each other and discuss future opportunities to play with one another. Unless Riley was using Wade as his agent to orchestrate this entire deal (something that can never be proved) there's no way the league is going to punish them for tampering. More likely these three guys have been talking about playing together for a while and Wade let Riley know about it, thereby allowing Riley to clear up his roster to sign all three of them. None of that amounts to tampering, it's just a smart GM with inside info taking advantage of a golden opportunity.

everything you just said is tampering.

95. What is tampering?

Tampering is when a player or team directly or indirectly entices, induces or persuades anybody (player, general manager, etc.) who is under contract with another team to negotiate for their services. The NBA takes tampering very seriously and may impose stiff penalties if it is discovered, however the league will not investigate unless another team files tampering charges. Here are some examples:

The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was still head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.

After Will Perdue left San Antonio in the 1999 offseason to sign with Chicago, he commented to the press about the possibility of the Bulls signing Tim Duncan and/or Grant Hill in 2000. The league considered this to be tampering, and issued Perdue a warning.

You may have noticed that when general managers and other team personnel talk to the press, they are careful to avoid talking about specific players who play for other teams. They do this in order to avoid tampering.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q95

What transpired is exactly what the tampering rules were designed to prevent.

I spent $16,000 on cavs season tickets next year not knowing before I made the first payment it had been prearranged that LeBron would leave the team to play for the heat. I spent thousands more for playoff tickets only to witness LeBron James flat out quit in game 5.

[TAI8]

Heat fans think this is fine

the rest of the fans think this is awful

end of thread

true, but if you guys think freedom is awful, just move to North Korea.

Thank you for proving my Heat point lol, to prove the all other teams will think this is awful point I will go ahead and say how could Bron concentrate on winning with Cleveland when he was already planning on the Miami three?

Very true it sort of validates Gilbert's claims that Bron somehow quit on them in the series against Boston.

[Joseph17]

So, are you staying with the ''lj4mvp'' screen name?

I haven't decided what to change it to yet.

Lets have a 1 hour special on realgm when you make your decision.

[boogydown]

It's only tampering if non player who is employed by another team attempts to discuss matters of contracts with them.

In this case, Riley spoke with Wade who spoke with Bosh/Lebron. It will be difficult to prove that Riley indirectly tried to recruit these two before free agency as Wade can simply say he was the one who tried to get them to Miami, not Riley.

That doesn't mean they can't find someone outside that may have inside sources and later depose Riley and Wade, but until they have some solid evidence, they can't even bring up a scandal case.

[BFRESH44]

Sig Check.

[Chester0]

WOW. After reading that definition of tampering in the NBA, the Heat are guilty as ****. lol @ miami fans acting like no wrongs have been done.

[Gus McCrae]

So, are you staying with the ''lj4mvp'' screen name?

lol, how LBJ4MVP became a mod is beyond me.

[INKtastic]

It's only tampering if non player who is employed by another team attempts to discuss matters of contracts with them.

In this case, Riley spoke with Wade who spoke with Bosh/Lebron. It will be difficult to prove that Riley indirectly tried to recruit these two before free agency as Wade can simply say he was the one who tried to get them to Miami, not Riley.

That doesn't mean they can't find someone outside that may have inside sources and later depose Riley and Wade, but until they have some solid evidence, they can't even bring up a scandal case.

please read the tampering definition I posted above, players can most certainly be guilty of tampering.