Hi guys, VC fan here.

[lilfishi22]

I'm pretty 50/50 on VC. He's good in that he's a better off-the-ball player than Hedo and probably will be a better fit next to Nash. I just didn't like JRich going out though. He was perfect for our system and VC is like 3-4 years older than JRich. Wish it was just a Hedo for Gortat +filler trade.

[DRK]

I dont know too much about VC, so I'll hold my stance on him until after I've seen him play.

[Cigamodnalro]

Vince is still a very good passer, he just wasn't allowed to accentuate that skill in Orlando's offense. TBH, I'm not sure that we'll get to see much of it in PHO either though, as there is little reason for anyone to really handle the ball outside of Nash.

[Happyfoosball]

He can be a very good role player with a good team but i'm afraid that won't happen until after his large contract runs out. He has a Grant Hill type run left in him. Especially because he can still create his own shot.

[The-Joker]

Just a heads up. Don't believe anything about Carter being a good passer or defender. He is horrible in both these areas.

while carter may not be the lock down defender most of us wish he was, he is a very underrated passer..

[MickaelPietrus]

I'm pretty 50/50 on VC. He's good in that he's a better off-the-ball player than Hedo and probably will be a better fit next to Nash. I just didn't like JRich going out though. He was perfect for our system and VC is like 3-4 years older than JRich. Wish it was just a Hedo for Gortat +filler trade.

Orlando says no. JRich is beast and we all know it. No chance we`d take back Turk without him.

[lilfishi22]

I would say Orlando says no too.

[Velociraptor]

If the Suns do keep Carter for the rest of the season then I think this is what you should expect from his game:

- Carter IS a good passer even though it never really shined in his time with the Magic. But it did with the Nets when he had a bigger role in the offense. He ran the pick and pop well with jump shooting bigs like Nenad Krstic, Bostjan Nachbar and Mikki Moore who got a nice contract out of it in the following season. So there might be a few Carter-Frye connections. He ran the pick and roll reasonably well with guys like Josh Boone and Brook Lopez. In case of an injury to either Nash or Drajic, Carter can be used as a backup PG in those kinds of situations.

- Carter is a good post up and isolation player, so the Suns might want to consider running the offense through Vince in the half court when Nash is not on the floor. Throw the ball into the post when a smaller guard is on Carter. Or run an isolation play from mid range allowing Carter to get to the rim in 3-4 steps.

- Carter has DEEP range on his jumper. In the Suns run and gun offense expect some long 3's, like 2-3 steps from behind the 3 point line.

- One thing that you guys should be prepared for is Carter doesn't really run the fast break to the hoop frequently. He often lags behind and sets up at the 3 point line on the fast break. So just be prepared for that. He'll leak out from time to time and he'll run when he's bringing the ball up the court, but more often then not he'll set up for a transition 3.

- On defense sometimes Carter can be solid and other times he makes silly plays or picks up silly fouls. Don't expect anything game changing on this end.

Carter was a major factor when the Nets made it to the playoffs in 04-05, 05-06, 06-07, so I hope to see flash back to those days when he helped carry his team into the playoffs. He did it with Kidd so hopefully he can still do it with Nash.

[Ru_Paul]

Just a heads up. Don't believe anything about Carter being a good passer or defender. He is horrible in both these areas.

Don't believe anything "now and 4 life" says. He's an habitual liar.

[JohnVancouver]

I'm in Vancouver so I've had a weird relationship with Vince - first I hated that TO got him, so it hurt to watch the guy play in his prime. Then it was hard not to hate on him for how he left the Raps, and the whole "owww, I stubbed my toe" thing

but the guy was a legit monster of a player and it couldn't have been easy to deal with that "the new MJ" stuff. Even now I've seen him play really well, and a much more well-rounded game than he had in TO, which I imagine he had to develop - the way Sinatra became a better, more affecting singer after his voice went in the late '40s.

So I'm glad he's here for however long

[G_MoNeY]

Another VC fan here, I own and operate vincecarteronline. I've watched every VC game since his UNC days, as well, and I'd have to argue I'm probably the "biggest VC fan" with the exception of Maxamillion maybe..

I'm more of a NBA fan, in general though... Been following the NBA since I was 7 years old and got hooked on the Bad Boys Pistons era. Clearly people here have already chimed in about VC's game and what to expect, I don't post too often on the boards; but like to read what people have to say. I find time to read and comment when I'm not busy with work and coaching my high school team.

Just wanted to introduce myself and I hope VC can prove to all of you, as well as the other NBA fans that he still has a lot left, just was in the wrong system in Orlando regardless of the stats he put up and the production he attained while not having the ball in his hands enough.

[WillyJakkz]

Between his headband (now that he's allowed to wear it), Steve Nash, his contract status, and the Suns training staff Vince Carter will be back to his "Half Man Half Amazing" days.

Please believe.

[rsavaj]

Another VC fan here, I own and operate vincecarteronline. I've watched every VC game since his UNC days, as well, and I'd have to argue I'm probably the "biggest VC fan" with the exception of Maxamillion maybe..

I'm more of a NBA fan, in general though... Been following the NBA since I was 7 years old and got hooked on the Bad Boys Pistons era. Clearly people here have already chimed in about VC's game and what to expect, I don't post too often on the boards; but like to read what people have to say. I find time to read and comment when I'm not busy with work and coaching my high school team.

Just wanted to introduce myself and I hope VC can prove to all of you, as well as the other NBA fans that he still has a lot left, just was in the wrong system in Orlando regardless of the stats he put up and the production he attained while not having the ball in his hands enough.

ORL fans are saying that he didn't fit well with Jameer since he's not very good off-ball. What's your take? That's worrisome to me since Nash is the system here. He produced next to Kidd, but I don't actually remember specifically how the two played together.

[grumpysaddle]

Another VC fan here, I own and operate vincecarteronline. I've watched every VC game since his UNC days, as well, and I'd have to argue I'm probably the "biggest VC fan" with the exception of Maxamillion maybe..

I'm more of a NBA fan, in general though... Been following the NBA since I was 7 years old and got hooked on the Bad Boys Pistons era. Clearly people here have already chimed in about VC's game and what to expect, I don't post too often on the boards; but like to read what people have to say. I find time to read and comment when I'm not busy with work and coaching my high school team.

Just wanted to introduce myself and I hope VC can prove to all of you, as well as the other NBA fans that he still has a lot left, just was in the wrong system in Orlando regardless of the stats he put up and the production he attained while not having the ball in his hands enough.

ORL fans are saying that he didn't fit well with Jameer since he's not very good off-ball. What's your take? That's worrisome to me since Nash is the system here. He produced next to Kidd, but I don't actually remember specifically how the two played together.

Jameer =/= Nash.

[rsavaj]

Another VC fan here, I own and operate vincecarteronline. I've watched every VC game since his UNC days, as well, and I'd have to argue I'm probably the "biggest VC fan" with the exception of Maxamillion maybe..

I'm more of a NBA fan, in general though... Been following the NBA since I was 7 years old and got hooked on the Bad Boys Pistons era. Clearly people here have already chimed in about VC's game and what to expect, I don't post too often on the boards; but like to read what people have to say. I find time to read and comment when I'm not busy with work and coaching my high school team.

Just wanted to introduce myself and I hope VC can prove to all of you, as well as the other NBA fans that he still has a lot left, just was in the wrong system in Orlando regardless of the stats he put up and the production he attained while not having the ball in his hands enough.

ORL fans are saying that he didn't fit well with Jameer since he's not very good off-ball. What's your take? That's worrisome to me since Nash is the system here. He produced next to Kidd, but I don't actually remember specifically how the two played together.

Jameer =/= Nash.

Agreed...and I don't see how that answers the question haha.

[RvM]

Another VC fan here, I own and operate vincecarteronline. I've watched every VC game since his UNC days, as well, and I'd have to argue I'm probably the "biggest VC fan" with the exception of Maxamillion maybe..

I'm more of a NBA fan, in general though... Been following the NBA since I was 7 years old and got hooked on the Bad Boys Pistons era. Clearly people here have already chimed in about VC's game and what to expect, I don't post too often on the boards; but like to read what people have to say. I find time to read and comment when I'm not busy with work and coaching my high school team.

Just wanted to introduce myself and I hope VC can prove to all of you, as well as the other NBA fans that he still has a lot left, just was in the wrong system in Orlando regardless of the stats he put up and the production he attained while not having the ball in his hands enough.

ORL fans are saying that he didn't fit well with Jameer since he's not very good off-ball. What's your take? That's worrisome to me since Nash is the system here. He produced next to Kidd, but I don't actually remember specifically how the two played together.

During his tenure with the magic, VC always was a great cutter, and he always knew that J-Kidd was a pass first type of player, which led to the multiple fast breaks/ easy buckets for Vince.

The way it didn't work out for Vince and Jameer was because of the way Carter was used in the Magic's system. It's and inside out game with Dwight in the paint, and 4 shooters outside ready for the kickout.

The only other person who had free reign was Jameer as he was the main playmaker, but Vince usually was just stuck at the 3 point line and they just expected him to the drive to the hole whenever he got the ball, which wasn't that often.

Vince isn't the best moving off-ball, but give him more free reign in the offense, then it'll work well with Nash as it did Kidd.

[Velociraptor]

ORL fans are saying that he didn't fit well with Jameer since he's not very good off-ball. What's your take? That's worrisome to me since Nash is the system here. He produced next to Kidd, but I don't actually remember specifically how the two played together.

It's not that Vince is not good off the ball player. He can be adequate in that role if that's how he is used. However, Carter is more talented then just being a spot up shooter. If the Suns are primarily looking for a spot up shooter then there are so many other cheaper options out there available. To get the most value out of Carter you have to involve him as a player maker/scorer on the perimeter and in the post. Kidd and Carter had some success together carrying some injured Nets teams with mediocre front courts, but even they weren't an ideal fit together because Kidd wasn't a good shooter and Carter never really ran the fast break like a Richard Jefferson. They made it work because they both were pretty talented. Carter doesn't necessarily need Nash to create offense for him and vice-versa. However, they both could take the pressure off each other having to carry such a big offensive load. When they are on the court together Nash can hook up Carter for some open looks and alley-oops, while Carter can kick it out from the post to Nash for a jumper. But the Suns should aim to have one of Carter or Nash on the floor helping create offense for the other players. And the Suns still need a very good starting PF to get back to where they were last season.

[grumpysaddle]

Jameer =/= Nash.

Agreed...and I don't see how that answers the question haha.

Basically saying Nelson isn't the best of floor generals as far as commanding the offense goes. He's got horrible court vision. Nash will be able to set VC up in spots VC can use his strengths to his advantage... give Nash a couple weeks and he'll have all those situations figured out.

[G_MoNeY]

It's no secret Jameer Nelson is a shoot first PG. That didn't work with VC because, like others have mentioned, Nelson was the only one in the Magic system who had free reign to basically do what he wanted. It's safe to say the leash for players like Carter, Lewis, Pietrus, Anderson weren't as long as they are for someone like Nelson. 3 out of those 4 players have now been traded and Anderson is in the dog house for the past 10+ games.

Magic = Identity Crisis and had become too one dimensional with Howard's post development that they started to forget what made them successful throughout the years. Just my opinion, and still feel their recent trades were a "knee jerk reaction" to the latest west coast trip. With that being said, the system in PHX suits VC much more as a player. I predict no issues between Nash and Carter as both are very unselfish players and am curious to see how all this plays out.

[SolidSnake008]

It's no secret Jameer Nelson is a shoot first PG. That didn't work with VC because, like others have mentioned, Nelson was the only one in the Magic system who had free reign to basically do what he wanted. It's safe to say the leash for players like Carter, Lewis, Pietrus, Anderson weren't as long as they are for someone like Nelson. 3 out of those 4 players have now been traded and Anderson is in the dog house for the past 10+ games.

Magic = Identity Crisis and had become too one dimensional with Howard's post development that they started to forget what made them successful throughout the years. Just my opinion, and still feel their recent trades were a "knee jerk reaction" to the latest west coast trip. With that being said, the system in PHX suits VC much more as a player. I predict no issues between Nash and Carter as both are very unselfish players and am curious to see how all this plays out.

As a magic fan my reply would be.....


Naw man just kidding....you have some interesting points there but from our perspective we were not heading in the direction we wanted....Something had to give and it took a "secret" meeting between Dwight,Otis and SVG to make changes...i wouldn't say it was knee jerk more like your superstar saying jump and our management asking how high...it's that simple