Done Deal: Baron + 2011 1st for Mo Williams, Jamario Moon

[Triumph36]

Just an FYI, but Mo was very happy after the game last night so it seems he's glad to be in LA.

I think it's a good move for you guys though. Your team isn't going anywhere this year or next year, so why not get enough space for CP3 or Dwight? Being able to play in LA, with Griffin and Gordon, should appeal to at least one of them.

Anyway, while I'm a fan of Griffin and Gordon, can the Clippers please go winless for the rest of the year?

[BoomFizzle]

Wow, I've been ill and couldn't sleep. Now I hear about this...

Financially makes sense for Clipps but I still don't really get it. Baron was certainly not the only one holding us back in previous years and certainly not this year. If we closed out well this season, chances are he will play pretty well next year with motivation. Surely trading him next year would make more sense with his shorter contract and the fact this year is already in the tank anyway (yet we give up a pick).

So I think the team is right to trade Baron for savings but giving up a pick is horrible and the timing of it is kind of pointless.

[RiversideClips]

Are we keeping Mo or will he be part of another deal? I like that we are dumping Bdiddy's salary, but do we want to spend our money on Mo?
Why hasn't this deal been announced on the Clipper Board? Its almost noon EST & nothing on Clippers.com.
Will Byron Scott have a bouquet for Bdiddy's Cavs arrival?
This is just a strange trade, it is dumping a salary for 2 years from now.

[donemilio21]

Unless we can unload Kaman as well in the next 3 hours or so, I dont like this deal.

Remember when we made some moves to clear cap space and then signed Foye and Gomes? exactly..way to go Olshey.

[bstein14]

It wouldn't surprise me if the new CBA had an Allan Houston type clause, in which teams were allowed to buy out one player without that affecting their cap space.

Maybe the Cavs owner is banking on that type of clause with this trade.

[Det the Threat]

Unless we can unload Kaman as well in the next 3 hours or so, I dont like this deal.

Remember when we made some moves to clear cap space and then signed Foye and Gomes? exactly..way to go Olshey.

There's no need to unload Kaman and his contract.
He'll be in the final year of his contract this summer and certainly would appeal to quite a few teams, especially on draft night etc.
It's also not nearly as bad as Barons contract and deosn't have anything to do with this trade.

[mattfish]

Sorry if I missed it, but are we giving up our pick or the Minnesota pick?

[crazytown]

But keep thinking this draft is garbage...the Spurs went from getting swept by an above average Suns team to having the best record in the league off of drafting three guys that were LATE 1st round draft picks or 2nd rounders between Neal, George Hill and DeJuan Blair...

I didn't know the Spurs scout team is now picking for the Clips

[connseanery]

Sorry if I missed it, but are we giving up our pick or the Minnesota pick?

The Clippers traded their 2011 1st round pick apparently.

[Dark Faze]

But keep thinking this draft is garbage...the Spurs went from getting swept by an above average Suns team to having the best record in the league off of drafting three guys that were LATE 1st round draft picks or 2nd rounders between Neal, George Hill and DeJuan Blair...

I didn't know the Spurs scout team is now picking for the Clips

So you know the players are there...but you accept this as a great team because you know your front office is incapable of making a quality selection?

Okay then...great deal for the clips!

[donemilio21]

Dude Mo Williams has been shooting worse than Baron this season, in fact his 3p% is .265!!!! DJ can do better than that.
If he is gonna spread the floor with that 3P%, **** That!


Also, if we were planing on salary dump, why not dump Ryan Gomes?? We created a capspace of $6.3M for the cost of a top10pick. Instead we could've sent Gomes with a 2nd round pick and gain a $4M capspace.

I'm still not liking this deal.

[guille_4]

If the Clippers finish the season as expected (circa 35-47) there is no way that is going to be a top5 pick. We are looking at the 8-15 range in a poor draft. This is at best another Aminu. On addition to this, we already got a lot of young prospects and the Minny pick, we cannot develop 7 players at the same time.
There will be many free agents this Summer, and we will have capspace.

[mattfish]

Sorry if I missed it, but are we giving up our pick or the Minnesota pick?

The Clippers traded their 2011 1st round pick apparently.

Okay, so we just need to win out the rest of the season to make the value of that pick lower

[thanumba2clippersfan]

I am not a fan of this trade. I feel that we could have seen how the team played with a healthy roster. I feel that if healthy we would have a great chance of making the playoffs, now I'm not so sure. I do think Mo can help us, but he's not the play maker Baron is and I have to see how he will fit with the team. Mo has also been hurt so I don't know how ready he actually is at this point.

This trade is good that we get cap space and hopefully we can sign Deron Williams in the future. But as for the right now this trade messes with our chemistry and if Mo isn't ready to go we will have more Bledsoe playing PG. I hope we can find more wins to close out the season, but it all depends on how well Mo Williams plays.

[supfoo]

yeah, i didn't like this trade months ago before the season began when the pick wasn't involved and i still don't like it now. talent-wise, clippers are clear cut losers and financially, it's not even that big of an improvement since mo and baron's contracts end in the same year, and mo will almost certainly pick up his player options. it's a really minor salary dump and baron's contract would have been just as easy to move next season if this team has a real shot at a big name free agent in 2012. it's not even a move for cap space as much as it is a move to save money and it's quite obvious because the pick is involved.

[mkwest]

It wouldn't surprise me if the new CBA had an Allan Houston type clause, in which teams were allowed to buy out one player without that affecting their cap space.

Maybe the Cavs owner is banking on that type of clause with this trade.

The amnesty clause wouldn't really help them too much if they are under the luxury tax threshold. A player's salary would still remain on the books, but their salary wouldn't be included in the tax.

[madmaxmedia]

I don't know, I don't think this is so bad. I mean for sure it's not a sexy trade, but there is value in getting rid of Baron's contract even if that doesn't show up on the floor. It's definitely not as sexy as a lottery pick, but the Clippers are also taking a calculated risk and guessing it won't be a top 3. Sure lighning could strike twice, but the odds are really low. And if this draft really sucks, yeah you are looking at another Aminu at best.

I think Mo Williams will produce more along the lines of previous seasons, he has been pretty consistent until this year. And he clearly seems to be a better outside shooter than Baron. You actually WANT Mo Williams taking jumpers throughout a game. With Blake and EJ we really don't need or want a ball-dominant PG, a more typical playmaker type who can knock down shots is probably better for us going forward. We all wanted an outside shooter, turns out he is our new PG.

I think Mo Williams is a better fit than Baron Davis over medium to potentially long term, so strictly looking at the players I think we come out okay. But then we had to throw in our #1 to make them take Baron's contract.

It's not great, it's not bad IMO. The sooner EJ gets back, the sooner we start winning more games again and making the lotto pick less valuable. If Cleveland lucks out in the lottery then yeah this trade comes back to bite us. But otherwise I think I like the deal, and we shouldn't sit around waiting and hoping for that 2.5% chance (or whatever it will be) of a top 3 pick.

[So Gutta]

I'm going to have to disagree with most posters in this thread and say that I think this is a good trade for the Clippers.

First of all, I think that Mo Williams is simply a better basketball player than Baron Davis. Davis showed up out-of-shape to start the season-- this fact alone is trade-worthy. Davis also only became engaged after Griffin started playing well. I can't count how many times I'd yell at the TV during the end of a close Clipper game with Baron taking some sort of 15-foot turnaround J. He's flashy, but he's also more self-centered.

I think Williams could get more out of Griffin (Williams is a little more disiplined than Baron).

As for the pick-- whatever... it's a weak draft. They'll get Minnesota's 1st next year which is hopefully the number one overall pick.

[Leor_77]

Not gonna lie, if we do nothing else, I'm not gonna be too happy. It seems like we send off good players for cap relief every year, but never end up catching the big fish, and instead are left with the little guppies (i.e. Gomes, Foye)...

[ClipperDomination]

I don't mind the trade at all. Mo has been bothered by injury all season, hence his poor #'s. He brings more energy to a team that doesn't need players who try only at times. This draft isn't very good either. It's a cost-saving deal that nets us the better player. I'm intrigued to see how he'll fit alongside EJ when he comes back.