How old would MJ have to be until you could beat him?

[mysticbb]

I think people are vastly ovestimating how hard it is to beat someone 1 on1. I'm not saying I would dominate MJ and win ever game. But I could definitely hold my own and win a few.

Did you see how Richard Jefferson looked against the 40yr old Jordan in those iso-situations? Jordan abused a guy bigger than you (if we believe your claim) and just as strong and quick. Seriously, you are overrating your own abilities, if you think you can win a few, if Jordan takes it serious.

[Ming Kong!]

LOL, It wasn't my intention to turn this into a "Prime An Unbiased Fan" vs "40 year old MJ" thread.

A few points.

-I said i was built like DWade, NOT that I had his explosiveness(though I was decent in that area)
-I said my playing style was similiar to Penny's, NOT that I was as skilled.
-I won't reveal any personal info on myself, you just have to take my word for it. I know I know, I'm just some internet poster, but it is what it is.

I think people are vastly ovestimating how hard it is to beat someone 1 on1. I'm not saying I would dominate MJ and win ever game. But I could definitely hold my own and win a few.

Geesh, I don't know why I even answered this topic, I should have known how this would end.

What's the highest level you played at? Where you ever good enough to make the jump to the NBA from high school? If not, you couldn't beat a 40 year old MJ, plain and simple. at 40, he was still a top 25 NBA player, that means no more than 25 people in the world were better than him in his worst season in the NBA. Were you ever a top 25 player in the world? You say he wasn't so fast anymore, ok, but as it was mentioned earlier, he was used to going up against the defenses of the NBA, you never covered an NBA player (as far as I'm concerned), now you're saying you could guard a top 25 player in the world with the experience of the GOAT? No... no.

[An Unbiased Fan]

LOL, It wasn't my intention to turn this into a "Prime An Unbiased Fan" vs "40 year old MJ" thread.

A few points.

-I said i was built like DWade, NOT that I had his explosiveness(though I was decent in that area)
-I said my playing style was similiar to Penny's, NOT that I was as skilled.
-I won't reveal any personal info on myself, you just have to take my word for it. I know I know, I'm just some internet poster, but it is what it is.

I think people are vastly ovestimating how hard it is to beat someone 1 on1. I'm not saying I would dominate MJ and win ever game. But I could definitely hold my own and win a few.

Geesh, I don't know why I even answered this topic, I should have known how this would end.

What's the highest level you played at? Where you ever good enough to make the jump to the NBA from high school? If not, you couldn't beat a 40 year old MJ, plain and simple. at 40, he was still a top 25 NBA player, that means no more than 25 people in the world were better than him in his worst season in the NBA. Were you ever a top 25 player in the world? You say he wasn't so fast anymore, ok, but as it was mentioned earlier, he was used to going up against the defenses of the NBA, you never covered an NBA player (as far as I'm concerned), now you're saying you could guard a top 25 player in the world with the experience of the GOAT? No... no.

I played D1 ball. I also have played against/with quite a few NBA players(including a few all-stars at that, a future hated SG on RealGM during his rookie season, and a HOF PG who was 6'9 and his 40's) in the offseason months over the years. Out here in LA you can run into NBA players all the time. Were these guys the equal of a Prime MJ, of course not, but a 40 year old MJ had his faults and could be beaten 1 on 1. That's just the reality of aging.

MJ was a Top 25 player, but that's because of his overall skill level. This topic is striclty about a game of 1 on 1.

[Guy986]

Wizard version of MJ was a 20ppg scorer in the NBA. This is just so absurd.

[MSGBallerz]

Right now.

[Guy986]

You think you can stop a top 25 player in the NBA from scoring 1 on1?


6'4, body built like Dwade.
Playing style similar to Penny.
Just as strong as wizard version of MJ.
+ Can play lock down D like Scottie Pippen.

[An Unbiased Fan]

I think people are vastly ovestimating how hard it is to beat someone 1 on1. I'm not saying I would dominate MJ and win ever game. But I could definitely hold my own and win a few.

Did you see how Richard Jefferson looked against the 40yr old Jordan in those iso-situations? Jordan abused a guy bigger than you (if we believe your claim) and just as strong and quick. Seriously, you are overrating your own abilities, if you think you can win a few, if Jordan takes it serious.

An iso-play in a 5 on 5 situation, isn't quite the same as 1 on 1 in an open half court, not at all. I don't rememebr which games you're refferring to, but it's no surprise that someone of MJ's skill level could still go off. Defensively though, a 40 year old MJ would have issues because of the area he would have to cover. He would have trouble keeping me in front of him(God that sounds arrogant, but it's true), his stamina would be an issue because you're constantly moving in 1 on 1 games, his hand speed had slowed effecting his dribble, and he had lost about 2 steps by that point.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Wizard version of MJ was a 20ppg scorer in the NBA. This is just so absurd.

On 19.3 shots.......

[magicman1978]

Wizard version of MJ was a 20ppg scorer in the NBA. This is just so absurd.

On 19.3 shots.......

In 2001, I watched Michael Jordan play Rip Hamilton one on one. Rip couldn't stop Jordan from getting to his spot, backing him down and shooting his trade mark fadeaway. He couldn't stop his dribble drive to the middle for a pull-up jumper. He didn't have a prayer. And Jordan didn't have much trouble staying in front of Rip at all. Jordan destroyed him - it was completely one sided. I don't know how good you are, but I don't think you have any idea how good Jordan was.

[Shot Clock]

Wizard version of MJ was a 20ppg scorer in the NBA. This is just so absurd.

On 19.3 shots.......

In 2001, I watched Michael Jordan play Rip Hamilton one on one. Rip couldn't stop Jordan from getting to his spot, backing him down and shooting his trade mark fadeaway. He couldn't stop his dribble drive to the middle for a pull-up jumper. He didn't have a prayer. And Jordan didn't have much trouble staying in front of Rip at all. Jordan destroyed him - it was completely one sided. I don't know how good you are, but I don't think you have any idea how good Jordan was.

Come on man, do you really doubt UBF is a better player then Rip?

The guy already said he's Dwayne Wade with Penny's game, what more do you want?

[pancakes3]

a few months ago i got wasted by career journeyman Johnny Newman and he is literally old enough to be my daddy (got drafted the year i was born). add me to the list of people that probably wouldn't be able to beat MJ until he's collecting social security.

[Volcano]

I played D1 ball. I also have played against/with quite a few NBA players(including a few all-stars at that, a future hated SG on RealGM during his rookie season, and a HOF PG who was 6'9 and his 40's) in the offseason months over the years. Out here in LA you can run into NBA players all the time. Were these guys the equal of a Prime MJ, of course not, but a 40 year old MJ had his faults and could be beaten 1 on 1. That's just the reality of aging.

MJ was a Top 25 player, but that's because of his overall skill level. This topic is striclty about a game of 1 on 1.

with so much basketball experience, why do you seem to know nothing about the sport?

[Optimism Prime]

a few months ago i got wasted by career journeyman Johnny Newman and he is literally old enough to be my daddy (got drafted the year i was born). add me to the list of people that probably wouldn't be able to beat MJ until he's collecting social security.

I, however, am on the list of people that probably wouldn't be able to beat MJ until he's done collecting social security.

I have zero game, but I'm honest about it.

[Vincent 666]

Is this with or without NBA refs?

[An Unbiased Fan]

In 2001, I watched Michael Jordan play Rip Hamilton one on one. Rip couldn't stop Jordan from getting to his spot, backing him down and shooting his trade mark fadeaway. He couldn't stop his dribble drive to the middle for a pull-up jumper. He didn't have a prayer. And Jordan didn't have much trouble staying in front of Rip at all. Jordan destroyed him - it was completely one sided. I don't know how good you are, but I don't think you have any idea how good Jordan was.

Rip isn't a 1 on 1 player though. He was a stringbean with no defense back then. In a 5 on 5 situation, Rip's skills shine, but he's not exactly known for being a great 1 on 1 player at all.

[Optimism Prime]

In 2001, I watched Michael Jordan play Rip Hamilton one on one. Rip couldn't stop Jordan from getting to his spot, backing him down and shooting his trade mark fadeaway. He couldn't stop his dribble drive to the middle for a pull-up jumper. He didn't have a prayer. And Jordan didn't have much trouble staying in front of Rip at all. Jordan destroyed him - it was completely one sided. I don't know how good you are, but I don't think you have any idea how good Jordan was.

Rip isn't a 1 on 1 player though. He was a stringbean with no defense back then. In a 5 on 5 situation, Rip's skills shine, but he's not exactly known for being a great 1 on 1 player at all.

Okay, AUF--here's the real question. How old would Kobe have to be before you could be beat him?

[An Unbiased Fan]

In 2001, I watched Michael Jordan play Rip Hamilton one on one. Rip couldn't stop Jordan from getting to his spot, backing him down and shooting his trade mark fadeaway. He couldn't stop his dribble drive to the middle for a pull-up jumper. He didn't have a prayer. And Jordan didn't have much trouble staying in front of Rip at all. Jordan destroyed him - it was completely one sided. I don't know how good you are, but I don't think you have any idea how good Jordan was.

Rip isn't a 1 on 1 player though. He was a stringbean with no defense back then. In a 5 on 5 situation, Rip's skills shine, but he's not exactly known for being a great 1 on 1 player at all.

Okay, AUF--here's the real question. How old would Kobe have to be before you could be beat him?

mind = blown

We're nearly the same age, so I don't think it would happen.

[MightyVojo]

I can also beat MJ at 40 when he played for the Wizards.

Yes, I'm capable of averaging 25 ppg in the NBA. But I just don't like getting paid millions, being super famous, and getting laid with the most beautiful women all the time. I prefer my job at McDonalds and living at my parents house, it's so much better. Mcdonalds job > NBA career

[Ming Kong!]

LOL, It wasn't my intention to turn this into a "Prime An Unbiased Fan" vs "40 year old MJ" thread.

A few points.

-I said i was built like DWade, NOT that I had his explosiveness(though I was decent in that area)
-I said my playing style was similiar to Penny's, NOT that I was as skilled.
-I won't reveal any personal info on myself, you just have to take my word for it. I know I know, I'm just some internet poster, but it is what it is.

I think people are vastly ovestimating how hard it is to beat someone 1 on1. I'm not saying I would dominate MJ and win ever game. But I could definitely hold my own and win a few.

Geesh, I don't know why I even answered this topic, I should have known how this would end.

What's the highest level you played at? Where you ever good enough to make the jump to the NBA from high school? If not, you couldn't beat a 40 year old MJ, plain and simple. at 40, he was still a top 25 NBA player, that means no more than 25 people in the world were better than him in his worst season in the NBA. Were you ever a top 25 player in the world? You say he wasn't so fast anymore, ok, but as it was mentioned earlier, he was used to going up against the defenses of the NBA, you never covered an NBA player (as far as I'm concerned), now you're saying you could guard a top 25 player in the world with the experience of the GOAT? No... no.

I played D1 ball. I also have played against/with quite a few NBA players(including a few all-stars at that, a future hated SG on RealGM during his rookie season, and a HOF PG who was 6'9 and his 40's) in the offseason months over the years. Out here in LA you can run into NBA players all the time. Were these guys the equal of a Prime MJ, of course not, but a 40 year old MJ had his faults and could be beaten 1 on 1. That's just the reality of aging.

MJ was a Top 25 player, but that's because of his overall skill level. This topic is striclty about a game of 1 on 1.

So you beat Magic in his 40's? Magic initially left the game at 32 years of age, and re-retired at 37. At 37 he was a shadow of his former shelf, 14.6ppg is nowhere near what MJ was putting up when he was 3 years older. I imagine that Magic was a 3rd the player (at best) in his 40s, compared to MJ at 40. Think about it. Also Magic was never anywhere near the scorer that MJ was, so why the heck to do you compare a Magic over 10 years past his prime to an All-Star MJ?

[Ming Kong!]

Also in your sig, what's your basis on Kobe's best season being the one prior to winning an NBA title and his MVP? Also MJ's peak is 1991? I think it could of any one of many years. Also you forgot to post defensive numbers, 2.7spg and 1bpg, and .605 TS% compared to .580 TS%, FG% is nowhere near comparison at .539 compared to Kobe's .463. MJ's team won a title, Kobe's did not. You really have no credibility, do you?