Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

JamesNaismith · Post #41 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:22 am

All I know is BC needs to grab Oden....and pray we can keep him healthy and land Drummond or Davis; what a frickin' insane frontcourt that would be!!! That would seriously be the first time ever that I would truly believe we'd have the pieces to be a championship contender in the near future.

S.W.A.N · Post #42 » by **S.W.A.N** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:28 am

nahom1319 wrote:
5DOM wrote:I don't think it's necessarily his fault, but I do believe Henson, Marshall and even Zeller are just as important if not more important than Barnes for UNC - Henson especially. All four are obviously impact players though

I agree its not his fault, I guess what it boils down to for me is that he doesn't take control of the offense ever....he is much more of a system guy.

I honestly think it speaks more to the talent of unc's roster than it does Barnes.

Zeller Henson and Marshall are all NBA players and likely first round picks.

UNC runs a pretty balanced attack and Barnes does not try to do too much... You might think this is not having killer instinct. I think it is a smart player playing within the system.

He had a lot of games during the tourney last year where he took over and was the man, and over the course of this season he will have some more of those games.

nahom1319 · Post #43 » by **nahom1319** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:31 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:He injured himself today missed some minutes and still lead the team in scoring and they suffered their 1st loss. I think that shows how important he is. I've watched their games this season, the team is talented. Of course Marshall & Henson are doing their thing but they need Barnes just as much... Other than Zeller, no1 is going to get a point on that team for themselves except for Barnes

They were goin to lose that game with or without Barnes. Reggie bullock and Hairston seem capable of draining the open shots harrison gets. Don`t get me wrong Harrison hits some tough shots, but he does not look like a top 3 pick especially this year.

PapeSowish · Post #44 » by **PapeSowish** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:56 am

Drummond seems like the consensus number 1 pick imo. Davis could be something special but honestly, he seems like a bigger gamble than Drummond.

1. Drummond (the more he plays, the more he wows me)
2. Davis (will be a game-changer on the defensive end, even if he doesn't meet the hype)
3. Quincy Miller (huge upside, predicting big things from him)
4. Lamb (he's ready to contribute ASAP in the NBA)
5. Sullinger (monster, just not as much potential as the others)
6. Barnes (won't be a superstar, but will have a very good career)
7. Terrence Jones (he's a mini-beast, plays with such fire & strength)
8. Perry Jones (could be great, but could flounder too)
9. Gilchrist (most likely to move up this board by march)
10. Kendall Marshall (i doubt he's this high, but goddamn i love his game. his assists are so beautiful i wanna cry sometimes)

BigBaller · Post #45 » by **BigBaller** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:04 am

JamesNaismith wrote:All I know is BC needs to grab Oden....and pray we can keep him healthy and land Drummond or Davis; what a frickin' insane frontcourt that would be!!! That would seriously be the first time ever that I would truly believe we'd have the pieces to be a championship contender in the near future.

No thanks, Oden is too injury prone and he'll cost 8 mil per year MINIMUM! I'll go with Samuel Dalembert, cheap and will fit in nicely.

DRAFT QUINCY MILLER!

fredericklove · Post #46 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:31 am

Weems wrote:I could understand Barnes leading a poll started in June, but it's awful and embarrassing that he's leading a brand new poll.

Check out this other poll, you MAD?

http://basketball.realgm.com/poll/216704#ixzz1einVI2Jf

The Chucker · Post #47 » by **The Chucker** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:44 am

michael gilchrist or quincy miller plz. those guys got too much swag. our swag would go up instantly lol.

fredericklove · Post #48 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:48 am

S.W.A.N wrote:
When the 2001-02 season started, not much had changed with the T-Wolves. Because of an illegal deal struck the prior year by team owner Glen Taylor, Minnesota had been stripped of four first-round draft choices. Saunders tried to shake things up by moving Kevin to small forward, Smith to power forward and Szczerbiak to off-guard. Brandon, slowed by an assortment of injuries, would share duties at the point with Billups, a former lottery pick still trying to find his way in the NBA.

The new lineup paid dividends, aand Minnesota broke from the gate at 18-8. Kevin looked great. In the season opener against Milwaukee, he went for 25 points and 21 rebounds. In November, he torched the Los Angeles Clippers for 30 points and 19 rebounds. Against the Sacramento Kings in early December, he pulled down a franchise-record 25 boards and nailed a pair of treys in the final 30 seconds to send the contest into OT. Two days later, he victimized the Clippers again, hitting a game-winner at the buzzer. In back-to-back games versus Houston and Indiana, he swatted away six and seven shots.

By moving away from the basket, Kevin was causing all sorts of match-up problems for opponents. He could knock down the jumper, put the ball on the floor and see open teammates that smaller players couldn’t. In April, Kevin set a new mark by being named Player of the Month for the fourth time that year.

Never once I imagined KG playing the 3 wow..., he had God like talent during his prime time.

fredericklove · Post #49 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:48 am

The Chucker wrote:michael gilchrist or quincy miller plz. those guys got too much swag. our swag would go up instantly lol.

Kleiza got swag too. 8-)

The Chucker · Post #50 » by **The Chucker** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:51 am

fredericklove wrote:
Weems wrote:I could understand Barnes leading a poll started in June, but it's awful and embarrassing that he's leading a brand new poll.

Check out this other poll, you MAD?

http://basketball.realgm.com/poll/216704#ixzz1einVI2Jf

yeah barnes is better than lamb imo. but both those guys arent franchise guys. both these guys cant create their own offense which is something the raptors need. i like barnes defensive potential tho, he seems to have an nba body. millers swag and skill and potential is tooooo sick lol.

nahom1319 · Post #51 » by **nahom1319** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:52 am

The Chucker wrote:michael gilchrist or quincy miller plz. those guys got too much swag. our swag would go up instantly lol.

Miller lacks the speed required to defend the 3 spot, im not just talking about east to west either this guys run isn't much faster then a jog.

fredericklove · Post #52 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:59 am

S.W.A.N wrote:
Barnes is not a wasted pick, he is probably the safest pick in the top five.

Drummond and Davis are most certainly going to be higher picks and if Raptors get one of those guys it would be amazing.

But Miller has yet to prove that he belongs in the same category... He may do so over the course of the season.

Heck that is the beauty of the 2012 draft. I love Barnes and think he will be a great pro but there are still 7-8 guys in this draft that could end up being picked above him...

Can you say deeeeeeeep draft

For Barnes yes definitely not a wasted pick. There's so much more spacing and p & r in the NBA, Barnes' game is much more suited in NBA than in college, such as cutting through screens, getting the opportunities to post up more down low, etc. Barnes can help spread the floor too for Derozan.

If we get 1st or 2nd pick and got ourselves the MAN CHILD, DAMN! He'll be in a good system where Casey can maximize his defensive potential and turning him into a defensive monster! Look at what he did for Chandler in Dallas. And lol, imagine we have Jay developing Drummond...that'd be a disaster! Jay too soft Drummond equally soft too...but since we have Casey, he can light a fire in the kid that's what I hope for.

The Chucker · Post #53 » by **The Chucker** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:00 am

nahom1319 wrote:Miller lacks the speed required to defend the 3 spot, im not just talking about east to west either this guys run isn't much faster then a jog.

yeah hes kinda slow, but i hope he can make that up with his length disrupting the passing lanes and such at the nba lvl.

CapeCrusader · Post #54 » by **CapeCrusader** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:01 am

Going with Barnes, I might change my mind if I were to see Drummond and Davis play. But Barnes is a very good player with a lot of potential. Plus we really need a 3 and have plenty of 4's.

Post #55 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:04 am

nahom1319 wrote:
The Chucker wrote:michael gilchrist or quincy miller plz. those guys got too much swag. our swag would go up instantly lol.

Miller lacks the speed required to defend the 3 spot, im not just talking about east to west either this guys run isn't much faster then a jog.

You may be right, but it can take 2-3 years to come all the way back, mentally and physically, from ACL surgery.

Also think that 3s will trend bigger and 2s a bit smaller with all of the attacking PGs and zone defences, there could be a difference between a 2 and a 3 again.

The Chucker · Post #56 » by **The Chucker** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:04 am

fredericklove wrote:For Barnes yes definitely not a wasted pick. There's so much more spacing and p & r in the NBA, Barnes' game is much more suited in NBA than in college, such as cutting through screens, getting the opportunities to post up more down low, etc. Barnes can help spread the floor too for Derozan.

barnes is a safe pick imo. but with a draft this stacked, id gamble and try to hit a home run (ex. q. miller). barnes is practically a replica of derozan, both guys excel playing off ball and hitting those catch-and-shoot jumpers coming off screens. do we really another one of that player? what we need is a guy who can create for himself off the dribble and his teammates. this team is sorely lacking a playmaker and quincy can provide that.

fredericklove · Post #57 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:06 am

nahom1319 wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
nahom1319 wrote:My issue with Barnes is this; he isn't even an impact player on his own team at the college level. How can you expect him to be one at the nba level? For that reason I have my list (taking potential into consideration as this:

1. Drummond
2. Davis
3. Lamb
4. Gilchrist/Barnes

I don't get why you say he isn't an impact player on his team. Hes been the best player on his team for 2yrs at UNC. He leads them ppg and has a 40pt on his resume.

When watching Unc, I've seen that the driving forces behind that team are kendal marshal and John Henson. Evidently its not something that shows up on a boxscore.... Watch a few games and tell me if you disagree with what I'm saying though.

I get the feeling that if Harrison has an off night it wouldn't matter as much as if Henson or Marshall do.

Coach William's structure goes by having a good point guard and big men scoring...that's how he wants it, the team to be run by pg dishing inside for the big men etc.. It's always going inside to the big men, get it in the paint, get them score in the paint. That's William's structure. Even from this system, for Barnes to be able to have solid performances and clutches performances from last year and what you saw this season most games were blowout he didn't have to do so much, last year he was the driving force on the offensively end every game and was the one that brought the game back everytime. For you to say he's not the impact player on his own team at the college level is nonsense.

fredericklove · Post #58 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:14 am

The Chucker wrote:
fredericklove wrote:For Barnes yes definitely not a wasted pick. There's so much more spacing and p & r in the NBA, Barnes' game is much more suited in NBA than in college, such as cutting through screens, getting the opportunities to post up more down low, etc. Barnes can help spread the floor too for Derozan.

barnes is a safe pick imo. but with a draft this stacked, id gamble and try to hit a home run (ex. q. miller). barnes is practically a replica of derozan, both guys excel playing off ball and hitting those catch-and-shoot jumpers coming off screens. do we really another one of that player? what we need is a guy who can create for himself off the dribble and his teammates. this team is sorely lacking a playmaker and quincy can provide that.

I say Barnes and derozan are a balanced shooter/slasher duo that can carry the scoring load for the raptors. I know it's always a better idea to have a 3 who can initiate plays too, this is why it's going to be interesting to see how quincy performs playing the 3 spot this week with PJIII returning.

Post #59 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:19 am

Barnes would compliment any SG. What does Derozan do for him?

bboyskinnylegs · Post #60 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:11 am

If we end up selecting Barnes, we'd better hope that either him or DeMar are able to develop significantly improved ballhandling ablility (my guess is DeMar is closer to being able to do it). Or alternatively, that we also land a PG with very good handles, court vision, and playmaking ability.

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?