Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Anthony Davis

[Death Knight]

Why is there a thread for each prospect? Makes the board look busier than it actually is.

[fredericklove]

People are talking like this guy is an instant franchise changer and the best big outside of Duncan and Yao to hit the NBA in a long time. That is the barometer I'm using when I say he is going to be a bust, not in the sense he will not be a very good player. If Anthony Davis turns out to be Marcus Camby plus 3-4 points a night and give or take a couple small variables elsewhere you're telling me that won't be a bit of a let down?

I'm not saying that Davis can't be an integral part of a championship team (because I think he can) but I stand by my statement that he will never be "THE" integral piece. He is not and never will be a Tim Duncan type player which is close to where the hype is at. If he wins a chip it will be as the second best player on the team.

Any team that is relying on Davis to dig them out of a 12 point hole in the 4th quarter of a big playoff game is going to find out his limitations as a bona fide superstar very quickly. Davis played on a team loaded with talent where teams couldn't simply gameplan to neutralize him because there was literally 4-5 other guys who could beat them even if Davis was a non factor. He is not going to have that luxury in the NBA. He is also now going against much bigger and stronger players (I know all guys that get drafted are) and I think his ability to change the game defensively unless he can put on some serious muscle (which I worry about when I look at his frame) is never going to be what it was in college. Guys in the NBA will create the space to score with their sheer strength in a way that he never had to face in college. I also really question his ability to score one on one at the next level, he seems to really take advantage of that hectic nature of college ball that he will not see in the NBA.

5 years from now I'm guessing that there will be at least a couple players who come out of this draft that teams if they had a do over would take over Davis. Like I said earlier that's not to say Davis will not be a good player I just don't see his game translating that well to the pro game when compared to the things he was doing at Kentucky.

Well, you're pretty much the only one on board who's claiming he'll be a bust. About 5 years from now, you will look back and remember what you said about Davis, I'm pretty sure by that time you'd think its foolish and silly about the things you've said today. So its okay, believe in what you said about him. We'll just have to see how he turns out, you'll either be a smart guy who's right all along about Davis or the lone fool who doubted him when everyone has high hopes on him. So we'll see.

[kingz32]

Why is there a thread for each prospect? Makes the board look busier than it actually is.

I think that was the look they were going for. What the hell else are Raptors fans supposed to talk about?lol

[RalphWiggum]

People are talking like this guy is an instant franchise changer and the best big outside of Duncan and Yao to hit the NBA in a long time. That is the barometer I'm using when I say he is going to be a bust, not in the sense he will not be a very good player. If Anthony Davis turns out to be Marcus Camby plus 3-4 points a night and give or take a couple small variables elsewhere you're telling me that won't be a bit of a let down?

I'm not saying that Davis can't be an integral part of a championship team (because I think he can) but I stand by my statement that he will never be "THE" integral piece. He is not and never will be a Tim Duncan type player which is close to where the hype is at. If he wins a chip it will be as the second best player on the team.

Any team that is relying on Davis to dig them out of a 12 point hole in the 4th quarter of a big playoff game is going to find out his limitations as a bona fide superstar very quickly. Davis played on a team loaded with talent where teams couldn't simply gameplan to neutralize him because there was literally 4-5 other guys who could beat them even if Davis was a non factor. He is not going to have that luxury in the NBA. He is also now going against much bigger and stronger players (I know all guys that get drafted are) and I think his ability to change the game defensively unless he can put on some serious muscle (which I worry about when I look at his frame) is never going to be what it was in college. Guys in the NBA will create the space to score with their sheer strength in a way that he never had to face in college. I also really question his ability to score one on one at the next level, he seems to really take advantage of that hectic nature of college ball that he will not see in the NBA.

5 years from now I'm guessing that there will be at least a couple players who come out of this draft that teams if they had a do over would take over Davis. Like I said earlier that's not to say Davis will not be a good player I just don't see his game translating that well to the pro game when compared to the things he was doing at Kentucky.

Well, you're pretty much the only one on board who's claiming he'll be a bust. About 5 years from now, you will look back and remember what you said about Davis, I'm pretty sure by that time you'd think its foolish and silly about the things you've said today. So its okay, believe in what you said about him. We'll just have to see how he turns out, you'll either be a smart guy who's right all along about Davis or the lone fool who doubted him when everyone has high hopes on him. So we'll see.

I hope I am wrong about him. He seems like a good kid and a hard worker but there is just something about his game that makes me think he will never be an nba superstar. I have no doubt he will be a solid pro (he won't be the next Olowakandi) but if he turns out to be a future perennial NBA first teamer (which is where the hype is at) I'll be stunned. If I'm wrong I will eat crow, it won't be the first time I had to pick feathers from my teeth.

[Egg Nog]

Chance cannot actually be measured in percentages.

Of course it can.

No I'm sorry it can't. That's why no one can successfully predict the order.

Wow, you really don't understand probability at all. Either that or troll well done.

[Mr Loggins]

[Ell Curry]

I think after a year or two of him bulking up he'll be a Blake Griffin level player on offense, which is to say a very good big man in the P+R but not a Durant or Nowitzki level in isolation, so more like a top 10-15 offensive player rather than a top 3-5 guy, but on D he should be a Garnett-esque murderer of pick and rolls while blocking 3ish shots a game, putting him close to the lead league in that category.

So, basically, Kevin Garnett but maybe not the savant Garnett is on D, though a better shotblocker. Like Garnett, he might be best paired with a perimeter scorer to take over in crunch time.

If the Raptors get him and Jonas delivers, the Raptors have a top-7 or 8 roster in terms of talent/youth, after Miami, Oklahoma, maybe the Clippers, Pacers (lots of cap space left), Chicago (if Rose comes back healthy), whatever team Dwight goes to and maybe Minnesota.

If for some reason the team that gets the #1 pick isn't enamored with him, I'd definitely trade everything short of Jonas for him. If the Wiz win it, Colangelo's first call, even though it will just lead to laughter, should be to offer to take on Blatche and Rashard Lewis' terrible contracts for Bargnani, Derozan, Calderon, Amir Johnson and the 2013 pick.

[Ditchweed]

If he is still there at the 8th draft position, yeah we should take him, but ....

If we get first pick, no, trade him/down for a player and a top ten pick.

[deeps6x]

[deeps6x]

I really want to know who the 5 people are that put 10%, if he's there at #8 you take him and run and thank the other 7 teams for having the biggest brain farts in NBA history.

Davis is a prospect you can build championships around. There is no way Toronto gets him this draft unless we are trading multiple picks + Jonas V and DeRozan

It is up to 7 people now.

Is it totally outside the ream of possibility that he drops to 2? Davis is a year older than Drummond and MKG. Isn't it possible whatever team wins the first over all pick, that they need a C or a SF more than a PF? I could see either of those players become bigger stars than Davis. I think Davis is just the most likely to become a top tier NBA player of the three, at this time. But with another year of experience and growth for MKG and Drummond, who knows.

Actually, I think Davis has to be taken number 1 or the media would tar and feather the GM, but perhaps Davis is traded to the second or third picking team for MKG/Drummond and a nice bonus.

[Dr Positivity]

Barring injury or the revelation he's a coke addict murder suspect, there is 0 chance Davis doesn't go #1. This is like the Blake Griffin or Tim Duncan draft years with a combination of a prospect everyone considered awesome and no clearcut secondary option

[Pooh_Jeter]

I really want to know who the 5 people are that put 10%, if he's there at #8 you take him and run and thank the other 7 teams for having the biggest brain farts in NBA history.

Davis is a prospect you can build championships around. There is no way Toronto gets him this draft unless we are trading multiple picks + Jonas V and DeRozan

It is up to 7 people now.

Is it totally outside the ream of possibility that he drops to 2? Davis is a year older than Drummond and MKG. Isn't it possible whatever team wins the first over all pick, that they need a C or a SF more than a PF? I could see either of those players become bigger stars than Davis. I think Davis is just the most likely to become a top tier NBA player of the three, at this time. But with another year of experience and growth for MKG and Drummond, who knows.

Actually, I think Davis has to be taken number 1 or the media would tar and feather the GM, but perhaps Davis is traded to the second or third picking team for MKG/Drummond and a nice bonus.

Davis is 5 months older than MKG and 6 months older than Drummond. Considering the huge gap between Davis and every other prospect in this draft that age gap is meaningless.

The only thing MKG and Drummond have on Davis is bulk and that is arguably the easiest thing a prospect can develop especially when they are this young. It's not as though Davis doesn't have the physical profile that can hold some added weight/muscle.

If MKG or Drummond were a prodigious offensive talent you could maybe make the case that you should trade down, but as it stands down you would be rightfully run out of town if you did. Drummond has huge bust potential and right now projects to be a defensive big man. Davis is the best defender in the draft already.

MKG has good tools, but what sets him apart are his intangibles. It's not as though Davis doesn't have some of the same intangibles.

[fredericklove]

If Drummond was able to perform at the level that everyone expected him to have, such as game-changing offense and defense, rebounding like a warrior due to his dominant size and athleticism..., and able to use most of his super strength/athleticism/length, then I can guarantee you that he would have rival Davis all season long and perhaps the talk of the potential 1st pick discussion.

Unfortunately he hasn't done any of that, that's why there's a huge gap between him and Davis.

[Danchan]

kryie irving or davis if they are both in same draft?

[dTox]

kryie irving or davis if they are both in same draft?

Davis without a doubt

[fredericklove]

kryie irving or davis if they are both in same draft?

Davis without a doubt

Same here brah. And I'm the biggest irving fan last year too.

[MaliBrah]

reading david aldridge's article got me excited at the possibilities ahaha , what should the raptors do if they win the lottery and pick 1st and take davis??

[Schad]

kryie irving or davis if they are both in same draft?

If you had a draft involving the rookie versions of the players taken #1 in the drafts from 2003-2012, I'd take Davis over Irving, Wall, Oden, Bargnani and Bogut, likely over Yao and Blake, and possibly even Rose.

[Jester_]

Anthony Davis is going to be a bust compared to the lofty expectations being put on him. I'm calling Marcus Camby type player. He will be marginally better on the offensive end and basically identical on the defensive end. I'll be shocked if he ever turns out to be a consensus top 10 player in the league. He'll be a great secondary star but any team relying on him to win them a title is going to be disappointed.

Camby with offense is considered a bust? Wow you are hard to please. Btw he is exactly the type you rely on to win playoff games and even championship especially on the defensive end.

People are talking like this guy is an instant franchise changer and the best big outside of Duncan and Yao to hit the NBA in a long time. That is the barometer I'm using when I say he is going to be a bust, not in the sense he will not be a very good player. If Anthony Davis turns out to be Marcus Camby plus 3-4 points a night and give or take a couple small variables elsewhere you're telling me that won't be a bit of a let down?

I'm not saying that Davis can't be an integral part of a championship team (because I think he can) but I stand by my statement that he will never be "THE" integral piece. He is not and never will be a Tim Duncan type player which is close to where the hype is at. If he wins a chip it will be as the second best player on the team.

Any team that is relying on Davis to dig them out of a 12 point hole in the 4th quarter of a big playoff game is going to find out his limitations as a bona fide superstar very quickly. Davis played on a team loaded with talent where teams couldn't simply gameplan to neutralize him because there was literally 4-5 other guys who could beat them even if Davis was a non factor. He is not going to have that luxury in the NBA. He is also now going against much bigger and stronger players (I know all guys that get drafted are) and I think his ability to change the game defensively unless he can put on some serious muscle (which I worry about when I look at his frame) is never going to be what it was in college. Guys in the NBA will create the space to score with their sheer strength in a way that he never had to face in college. I also really question his ability to score one on one at the next level, he seems to really take advantage of that hectic nature of college ball that he will not see in the NBA.

5 years from now I'm guessing that there will be at least a couple players who come out of this draft that teams if they had a do over would take over Davis. Like I said earlier that's not to say Davis will not be a good player I just don't see his game translating that well to the pro game when compared to the things he was doing at Kentucky.

He's 18 years old. He has the same size at his age that Kevin Garnett had. Oh, and he's the best defender as a freshman at the college level since Hakeem Olajuwon. Not to mention he averaged 14 ppg with a usage rate about as low as Jonas Jerebko. While shooting nearly 70%.

Sorry, but if your argument becomes null and void the moment a player like Davis gains 25 extra pounds, that is a weak argument.

Anthony Davis is the best prospect since Lebron James.

[lolwut]

kryie irving or davis if they are both in same draft?

If you had a draft involving the rookie versions of the players taken #1 in the drafts from 2003-2012, I'd take Davis over Irving, Wall, Oden, Bargnani and Bogut, likely over Yao and Blake, and possibly even Rose.

The rest I can sort of understand, but Anthony Davis over Yao Ming? If both were in the same draft, I'd take Yao #1 in a heartbeat.