Woodson encourages Amare to add post game

Clyde_Style · Post #41 » by **Clyde_Style** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:00 pm

kane2021 wrote:Not to be insensitive. But maybe this dude needs to go see one of the sports shrinks like A-rod. His issue right now is above the neck and right below the hair.

I think that means Stat is between a rock and a hard place.

Clyde_Style · Post #42 » by **Clyde_Style** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:03 pm

N8isScofield wrote:Another thing I don't think anyone else has mentioned is why we would want a guy with back problems focusing on backing someone down?

Leaning on someone is no more brutal for his back than trying to be a human pogo stick making flying dunks which is more about the athleticism of his earlier days and less about positioning and creating space for his shots and getting a clear look at the rim when he makes it there. If LJ had a bad back and developed a post-game, there is no reason Stat cannot do the same.

A good part of this season, Stat would get the ball and immediately turn to the basket and right into the swiping hands of defenders in the lane and would either get stripped, stuffed or end up missing heavily contested shots. After experiencing that countless times, he started playing further from the basket and taking jumpers.

A guy of his size and physical attributes and talent should not be settling for jumpers or only going to the rim when the lane is completely open. He needs to be able to create more and be less dependent on always having the optimal feed to score down low. If he had some skills with his back to the basket, this would be less of an issue and he would become more astute about defending his dribble and protecting the ball.

And lastly, if he become more comfortable posting up, it would give him a better appreciation of where his teammates are on the floor. A good posting big can hit other cutters or pass out more effectively, but what happens is he doesn't see the floor because he gets tunnel vision facing the basket thinking he has to force his shot.

ibraheim718 · Post #43 » by **ibraheim718** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:07 pm

Seriously though who needs a post game when to win all you really need to do is move the ball.

aggo · Post #44 » by **aggo** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:10 pm

ive **** had it with Amare

this guy is 6'10 and he cant get 10 rebounds

he cant even have a game where he has 13, 15 rebounds.

Scrub PFs do that regularly. And this guy is supposed to "play on a pogo stick"?

**** the low post game Amare. Play some **** defense and learn how to rebound the damn ball.

Pharmcat · Post #45 » by **Pharmcat** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:12 pm

amare has had knee and back issues....maybe he doesnt want to box out that much to avoid the beating hed take from others?

as far as the post moves, I totally agree, even if its just one move starting off like blakes spin bank off the board move

aggo · Post #46 » by **aggo** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:14 pm

Pharmcat wrote:amare has had knee and back issues....maybe he doesnt want to box out that much to avoid the beating hed take from others?

as far as the post moves, I totally agree, even if its just one move starting off like blakes spin bank off the board move

then he's worthless

off him now.

get him off this team. We don't need him if he's only going to play 1 side of the court.

Rasho Brezec · Post #47 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:20 pm

blueNorange wrote:
blumatic wrote:
blueNorange wrote:with amar'e losing athleticism as age catches up, a post game is what will make him play another 10 years

Every player loses explosiveness. Stat losing his was not a big deal to me. I was upset he was never prepared for this.

Last night KG didnt dominate by dunking all over the place and blowing by his man. It skills and heart displayed last night. Call Hakeem Stat!! (did u see what i did there).

and if blake doesn't develop a post game, he'll follow the same path as amar'e

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB6XrcZovkY[/youtube]

He's already miles ahead of Amare. And LOL @ Woodson thinking a 30-year old player with no fundamentals can all of a sudden learn post moves in one offseason. If it were so easy everyone would have them.

Post #48 » by **moocow007** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:22 pm

NY_Kn1cks wrote:Regardless of what you think about STAT the guy is willing to put in 110% effort in improving his game. He's open to criticism and improvement. He knows the adjustments he needs to make and he is willing to make those adjustments during the offseason.

You don't know that, but regardless, in the words of the immortal Yoda..."Do. Or Do Not. There is no try".

Clyde_Style · Post #49 » by **Clyde_Style** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:22 pm

Whether he does it or not, that Woodson has already put him to task for doing it is a refreshing change of pace.

aggo · Post #50 » by **aggo** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:22 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
blumatic wrote:
Every player loses explosiveness. Stat losing his was not a big deal to me. I was upset he was never prepared for this.

Last night KG didnt dominate by dunking all over the place and blowing by his man. It skills and heart displayed last night. Call Hakeem Stat!! (did u see what i did there).

and if blake doesn't develop a post game, he'll follow the same path as amar'e

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB6XrcZovkY[/youtube]

He's already miles ahead of Amare. And LOL @ Woodson thinking a 30-year old player with no fundamentals can all of a sudden learn post moves in one offseason. If it were so easy everyone would have them.

+1

It's a joke. The more I think about Amare as a player, the more I realize all that I've been watching is a one trick pony that's a gimmick.

Just get rid of this guy. PLEASE.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #51 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:23 pm

I'd rather see him get better at defense, rebounding, and shooting. We already have Melo to play in the post.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #52 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:26 pm

NY_Kn1cks wrote:Regardless of what you think about STAT the guy is willing to put in 110% effort in improving his game. He's open to criticism and improvement. He knows the adjustments he needs to make and he is willing to make those adjustments during the offseason.

With Stat, the problem isn't effort, it's humility. He thinks that he's the star and that it's his job to score, and that things like defense and rebounding should be left to the role players. The fact that he's focusing on his post game of all things just suggests that he still doesn't get that he's just a role player at this point

KnicksScholar24 · Post #53 » by **KnicksScholar24** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:40 pm

I think Amar'e would benefit from adding a drop-step move into the lane and a turn-around baseline fadeaway over the right shoulder from the left box. Anthony likes to isolate post up on the right block.

Once he's in the post, he immediately faces up and then tries to drive. Offensively, he only has the pick-and-roll, the jabstep mid-range jumper, and the jabstep drive from the elbow offensively.

Tyson Chandler adding an in-the-paint right-handed hookshot (starting from the left/right block) would also improve his offensive ability. He definitely needs to improve his attention span and hands around the basket. When he's not going for the offensive tap-out, he needs to be ready at all times to catch the ball.

But HONESTLY, I could care less if they don't improve offensive. Stoudemire should spend the entire off-season learning rebounding fundamentals/techniques, and studying rotations/when to switch in Woodson's team defense schemes.

The Knicks will have more than enough offense with Anthony, Shumpert, and Lin in the starting 5.

aggo · Post #54 » by **aggo** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:41 pm

forget all of this,

just trade the guy and get someone in here who gets "it"

Amare doesnt, so find someone who will.

Context · Post #55 » by **Context** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:56 pm

AggO wrote:ive **** had it with Amare

this guy is 6'10 and he cant get 10 rebounds

he cant even have a game where he has 13, 15 rebounds.

Scrub PFs do that regularly. And this guy is supposed to "play on a pogo stick"?

**** the low post game Amare. Play some **** defense and learn how to rebound the damn ball.

I feel you bro!

Context · Post #56 » by **Context** » Fri May 11, 2012 9:57 pm

AggO wrote:forget all of this,

just trade the guy and get someone in here who gets "it"

Amare doesnt, so find someone who will.

you're on fire bro...

Post #57 » by **Manhattan Project** » Fri May 11, 2012 10:51 pm

Woodson encourages Amar'e to watch his Draft Interview and get back at him.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fDuhC7FTsU[/youtube]

madbucky · Post #58 » by **madbucky** » Fri May 11, 2012 11:01 pm

My first response was the same at most people here. Forget adding post moves, how about some rebounding and defense first!

Falstaffxx · Post #59 » by **Falstaffxx** » Fri May 11, 2012 11:12 pm

madbucky wrote:My first response was the same at most people here. Forget adding post moves, how about some rebounding and defense first!

The point of this isn't a general critique of Amar'e as a player, it's adding something to his game that will allow him to continue being a plus player, like Larry Johnson did.

aggo · Post #60 » by **aggo** » Fri May 11, 2012 11:41 pm

Falstaffxx wrote:
madbucky wrote:My first response was the same at most people here. Forget adding post moves, how about some rebounding and defense first!

The point of this isn't a general critique of Amar'e as a player, it's adding something to his game that will allow him to continue being a plus player, like Larry Johnson did.

LJ defended and played every game as if it was his last.

Amare "learning" a few post moves will not turn him into a plus player, it'll only make him even more ball dependent and he will use it as an excuse to shoot even more. It will give him an even greater sense of entitlement.

Amare learning how to rebound takes 2 hs of coaching max.

The man is 6'10 and has explosive leaping ability. How he does not manage to grab 10+ rebounds a game is a complete farce and travesty.

Trade him now before he becomes literally dead weight.