Is Kyle Lowry the worst starting PG in the NBA?

Darkseid · Post #41 » by **Darkseid** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:30 pm

Let's ship him out for something

sweetcity · Post #42 » by **sweetcity** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:34 pm

Lowry is a treadmill PG. Move him to the Bulls for teague and Snell, flip Snell and Teague for Schroeder

dagger · Post #43 » by **dagger** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:35 pm

sweetcity wrote:Lowry is a treadmill PG. Move him to the Bulls for teague and Snell, flip Snell and Teague for Schroeder

You're dreaming. Part 2 won't happen

realball · Post #44 » by **realball** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:47 pm

He's not the worst, but he definitely is a below average starting PG. It's hard to believe that we traded a lottery pick for him.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #45 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:48 pm

Lowry seems like a good 3rd guard, like a Jarrett Jack.

Post #46 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:51 pm

dagger wrote:
sweetcity wrote:Lowry is a treadmill PG. Move him to the Bulls for teague and Snell, flip Snell and Teague for Schroeder

You're dreaming. Part 2 won't happen

I would not put it past Atlanta to throw away Schroeder. Not for Teague and Snell, but maybe for a SF who can start and play well now.

Dr Positivity · Post #47 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:54 pm

IMO he's better than Kemba, Calderon, Jennings, Beverly, Blake, Chalmers, Ridnour, Rubio, Felton, Nelson, MCW, Vazquez, JLIII

Moneyjones100 · Post #48 » by **Moneyjones100** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:55 pm

U have to be sick in the head to think k walker is better then lowry. I think he is a third stringer on a contending team at best

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knickerbocker2k2 · Post #49 » by **knickerbocker2k2** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:00 pm

Is this a joke? Of all the starting PG in this league, Lowry ranks 15th in PER.

When he is on the floor his team has offensive rating of 116, only behind Paul (124) & Conley (118). He is only behind Paul in Off/Def rating differential.

So what does this tell us? It tells us when he is on the floor the teams offensive and defense is running smoothly.

SkywalkerAC · Post #50 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:03 pm

116 Ortg:102 Drtg

That's the best ratio on the team, yes, better than Amir's.

JN · Post #51 » by JN » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:04 pm

I think he is somewhere between 13 and 20. It will vary due to injuries, how players are performing at the moment.

Dr Positivity · Post #52 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:07 pm

SkywalkerAC wrote:116 Ortg:102 Drtg

That's the best ratio on the team, yes, better than Amir's.

Psycho is 121:102 (and in limited minutes Acy and Stone are tops)

CreaM · Post #53 » by **CreaM** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:09 pm

More like top 15

Rapcity_11 · Post #54 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:10 pm

knickerbocker2k2 wrote:Is this a joke? Of all the starting PG in this league, Lowry ranks 15th in PER.

When he is on the floor his team has offensive rating of 116, only behind Paul (124) & Conley (118). He is only behind Paul in Off/Def rating differential.

So what does this tell us? It tells us when he is on the floor the teams offensive and defense is running smoothly.

That's not right. Those numbers are Lowry's individual Ortg and Drtg.

The actual number for the Raps with KL on the floor is 101.8 Ortg and 99.1 Drtg.

http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?T ... de=PerGame

SkywalkerAC · Post #55 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:13 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
knickerbocker2k2 wrote:Is this a joke? Of all the starting PG in this league, Lowry ranks 15th in PER.

When he is on the floor his team has offensive rating of 116, only behind Paul (124) & Conley (118). He is only behind Paul in Off/Def rating differential.

So what does this tell us? It tells us when he is on the floor the teams offensive and defense is running smoothly.

That's not right. Those numbers are Lowry's individual Ortg and Drtg.

The actual number for the Raps with KL on the floor is 101.8 Ortg and 99.1 Drtg.

http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?T ... de=PerGame

Can you explain for this works? Isn't individual Ortg and Drtg the same thing as team ratings when you're on the floor?Or does nba.com just use different numbers?

Dr Positivity · Post #56 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:14 pm

Moneyjones100 wrote:U have to be sick in the head to think k walker is better then lowry. I think he is a third stringer on a contending team at best

They're young but the lack of production they're getting out of the Kemba, Bismack, MKG and Zeller foursome is amazing. Other than possibly MKG I don't believe in any of them, personally.

RedX · Post #57 » by **RedX** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:17 pm

He's had two 10 assist games and one 9 assist game in his last 4. I like how he's been playing lately, he's making less forced turnovers / getting dumb fouls. I'm not sure where this Lowry hate is coming from.

brownbobcat · Post #58 » by **brownbobcat** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:21 pm

shmoosicle wrote:Rondo might be better than Lowry but he's coming back from a big injury. There are maybe 5 other PG playing on the same level as Lowry, and then everyone else is below him.

So you're saying there's a chance ...

Rapcity_11 · Post #59 » by **Rapcity_11** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:23 pm

SkywalkerAC wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
knickerbocker2k2 wrote:Is this a joke? Of all the starting PG in this league, Lowry ranks 15th in PER.

When he is on the floor his team has offensive rating of 116, only behind Paul (124) & Conley (118). He is only behind Paul in Off/Def rating differential.

So what does this tell us? It tells us when he is on the floor the teams offensive and defense is running smoothly.

That's not right. Those numbers are Lowry's individual Ortg and Drtg.

The actual number for the Raps with KL on the floor is 101.8 Ortg and 99.1 Drtg.

http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?T ... de=PerGame

Can you explain for this works? Isn't individual Ortg and Drtg the same thing as team ratings when you're on the floor?Or does nba.com just use different numbers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_rating

Basically individual Ortg is an estimate of points produced per 100 possessions for the individual player whereas Ortg while on the floor is simply the team's Ortg while that player in on the flooor.

SkywalkerAC · Post #60 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:44 pm

Rapcity_11 wrote:
SkywalkerAC wrote:
Rapcity_11 wrote:
That's not right. Those numbers are Lowry's individual Ortg and Drtg.

The actual number for the Raps with KL on the floor is 101.8 Ortg and 99.1 Drtg.

http://stats.nba.com/teamPlayers.html?T ... de=PerGame

Can you explain for this works? Isn't individual Ortg and Drtg the same thing as team ratings when you're on the floor?Or does nba.com just use different numbers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_rating

Basically individual Ortg is an estimate of points produced per 100 possessions for the individual player whereas Ortg while on the floor is simply the team's Ortg while that player in on the flooor.

So basketball-reference uses individual ratings while nba.com uses team ratings for individuals?