The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[bwgood77]

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I think it might be a way to get Rubio out of Minny. He won't get that much anywhere but he won't be seen as a bad guy since 'he was willing to stay but Minny wouldn't give in to his demands'

Yeah, I wonder how people would feel about Bledsoe, twins and picks for Rubio/Love. Depends on how much Minny would want Bledsoe. Rubio is just as good as Bledsoe on D, and longer, but they'd have the rights to every AND picks. Rubio could basically play the same position with Dragic that Bledsoe does. That means we would lose the backcourt D and gameplan while upgrading PF with picks, and Minny wouldn't have to worry about losing Love.

Of course Bledsoe would have to agree to this and sounds like we may have to pay Rubio or let him got into RFA where I doubt he gets near a max.

I don't like Rubio as much as Bledsoe, but at least it keeps our backcourt strong defensively as opposed to other deals shipping one of our pgs out.

Edit: oops - just saw kjdill put something similar already.

[Saberestar]

Rubio is way worse than Bledsoe at everithing except passing. Rubio like a five max year' s player is a joke, no thanks.
We have 3 better PG on our team than Rubio...he is Minnesota's problem.

[0013]

Rubio is way worse than Bledsoe at everithing except passing. Rubio like a five max year' s player is a joke, no thanks.
We have 3 better PG on our team than Rubio...he is Minnesota's problem.

5 year megamax on a point guard with a career FG% of .368

[bwgood77]

Here is what I would like to try and do THE MOST:

This would assure we keep Dragic and Bledsoe and still maybe get Love. Not sure if this will work under the cap, but lets say next summer we have

Bledsoe 12
Dragic 12
Thomas 6.9
Tucker 5.5
Len 3.8
Plumlee 2.1
Warren 1.7
Ennis 1.3
Archie 1.1
Beasley 777K

Total 47.17

I believe this is right without our cap holds...someone correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps Bledsoe and Dragic are at 14, so then we would be at 51. The cap should be around 67. Love's max will be around 16.5-16.7, maybe a little more. Now if Bledsoe and Dragic made 13.5 each (leaving our cap at 50), we could probably give Love a max.

If he agrees to the max, then we trade the twins and Green in S&T transactions (if we can) for picks. We could probably, at worst get 2nd round picks for Green and Mook and a 1st for Kieff (this probably doesn't work only because teams under the cap can wait and sign them outright and teams over the cap couldn't do it UNLESS they had a trade exception, in which case, I believe it works). If we can't trade them we could simply renounce their rights and sign Love.

I think most people here would agree that they would trade Green and the twins and NO picks for Love if you knew he would stay.

In this scenario since he was signing a FA contract with us, he obviously would want to stay. If he decides to go elsewhere, we keep the twins and Green.

Zero risk on losing Bledsoe or Dragic, the twins and picks for nothing. This would obviously depend on him not getting traded by Minnesota, which wouldn't totally surprise me.

But this approach means we don't lose ANY assets UNLESS he signs a long term deal with us AND we keep Dragic and Bledsoe.

We could also decide to try and dump some other salaries like Thomas or Tucker if we wanted to try and keep Kieff as a backup (or Green/Mook).

I could be wrong on what our cap will look like, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. I used these sites for the numbers

http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... s/suns.jsp

https://docs.google.com/a/thn.org/sprea ... ing#gid=26

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale (Warren and Ennis second year salaries)

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap (Love's max next year

[bwgood77]

Rubio is way worse than Bledsoe at everithing except passing. Rubio like a five max year' s player is a joke, no thanks.
We have 3 better PG on our team than Rubio...he is Minnesota's problem.

I agree, but the swap is mainly to get Love for the twins (upgrade) and that is why we'd have to take the downgrade at pg but would not lose the D or the passing. I'm not sure I like it. Just an idea. I like the idea I just posted above much better.

[bwgood77]

Rubio is way worse than Bledsoe at everithing except passing. Rubio like a five max year' s player is a joke, no thanks.
We have 3 better PG on our team than Rubio...he is Minnesota's problem.

5 year megamax on a point guard with a career FG% of .368

He will never get close to that. Maybe if Kahn was still there, because apparently that was his plan (since he wouldn't give the 5 year one to Love, but his market will be worse than Bledsoe's and there will be even MORE good pgs in the league next year with Exum, Smart, and another rookie class).

[Saberestar]

Rubio is way worse than Bledsoe at everithing except passing. Rubio like a five max year' s player is a joke, no thanks.
We have 3 better PG on our team than Rubio...he is Minnesota's problem.

I agree, but the swap is mainly to get Love for the twins (upgrade) and that is why we'd have to take the downgrade at pg but would not lose the D or the passing. I'm not sure I like it. Just an idea. I like the idea I just posted above much better.

Yes, that second idea is better.

[NaturalBuns]

Rubio upside is still way higher then Eric Bledsoe if you ask me.
He's 23, dragic wasn't even considered good till last year.

Rubio has all the tools and is probably gonna have a longer career
Minnesota wouldn't trade Bledsoe for Rubio

[JJ13]

Does anyone know what's up with Emeka Okafor? Is he done or what? If there's a shot of him returning, would think the Suns training staff would be the best option. Throw him a vet min., or no?

[bwgood77]

Does anyone know what's up with Emeka Okafor? Is he done or what? If there's a shot of him returning, would think the Suns training staff would be the best option. Throw him a vet min., or no?

No idea, but if he was back to form, I agree. Nothing to lose. We could obviously use a vet center like him to provide some muscle and D inside.

[spanishninja]

Here is what I would like to try and do THE MOST:

This would assure we keep Dragic and Bledsoe and still maybe get Love. Not sure if this will work under the cap, but lets say next summer we have

Bledsoe 12
Dragic 12
Thomas 6.9
Tucker 5.5
Len 3.8
Plumlee 2.1
Warren 1.7
Ennis 1.3
Archie 1.1
Beasley 777K

Total 47.17

I believe this is right without our cap holds...someone correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps Bledsoe and Dragic are at 14, so then we would be at 51. The cap should be around 67. Love's max will be around 16.5-16.7, maybe a little more. Now if Bledsoe and Dragic made 13.5 each (leaving our cap at 50), we could probably give Love a max.

If he agrees to the max, then we trade the twins and Green in S&T transactions (if we can) for picks. We could probably, at worst get 2nd round picks for Green and Mook and a 1st for Kieff (this probably doesn't work only because teams under the cap can wait and sign them outright and teams over the cap couldn't do it UNLESS they had a trade exception, in which case, I believe it works). If we can't trade them we could simply renounce their rights and sign Love.

I think most people here would agree that they would trade Green and the twins and NO picks for Love if you knew he would stay.

In this scenario since he was signing a FA contract with us, he obviously would want to stay. If he decides to go elsewhere, we keep the twins and Green.

Zero risk on losing Bledsoe or Dragic, the twins and picks for nothing. This would obviously depend on him not getting traded by Minnesota, which wouldn't totally surprise me.

But this approach means we don't lose ANY assets UNLESS he signs a long term deal with us AND we keep Dragic and Bledsoe.

We could also decide to try and dump some other salaries like Thomas or Tucker if we wanted to try and keep Mook as a backup (or Green).

I could be wrong on what our cap will look like, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. I used these sites for the numbers

http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... s/suns.jsp

https://docs.google.com/a/thn.org/sprea ... ing#gid=26

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale (Warren and Ennis second year salaries)

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap (Love's max next year

not to use the f-word again but if we frontload Bledsoe's contract now while we have room still, it would definitely make it easier to take on more salary later on.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm guessing Love wants to get as far away from Rubio as possible. You guys watch those games last year? Rubio can't shoot. Can't. Shoot. At. All. Not from 3, not from midrange, not at the basket. And it absolutely destroyed their P&R offense, because they would just lay off the PG at all times, focusing on the roll man, which was Love. Anyone who prefers Rubio to either Bledsoe or Love I suspect hasn't really watched him play.

bwgood - you know I'd give up a lot to put Kevin in a Suns uniform now. But I think we're a really good team as we stand, even without Frye. If we can get to 50 wins this season, which is entirely possible, I'd think we'd have a solid chance of getting Love to join. Of course I worry that his affinity for big markets would draw him elsewhere.

After watching Archie in summer league, I agree he's not ready to take over for Dragic. He obviously doesn't have the shooting, but more importantly, he doesn't have the passing Dragic does. A lot of this can be explained by the lack of shooters on that squad, while our actual roster has plenty of guys who can nail from deep (Bledsoe, Thomas, Dragic, Green, Tucker, Marcus).

[SideSwipe]

Any thoughts on a three-way with Minny and Rox?

PHX sends Bledsoe, Morri, PHX 2015 pick
PHX receives: Harden, Jones

PHX grabs the only "hometown hero" we have by giving up some depth and future. Jones is a good pickup who has shown some great flashes. PHX still has room for another Max player after this move.

Rox send Harden, Jones, Monti, Beverly, rights to Capela, Pels 2015 pick, HOU 2015
Rox receive: Bledsoe (Max S&T), Love, Martin

Rox go for it with a lineup of Bledsoe/ Martin/ Ariza/ Love/ Howard...nuf said. Best starting 5 in the NBA?

Minny sends: Love, Martin
Minny receives: Morris, Morris, Beverly, Monti, rights to Capela, Phx 2015 pick, Pels 2015 pick, Hou 2015 pick

Minny trades out Love's superstardom and Martins 3 year contract for pieces that will provide some strength for the current team while making out like bandits with picks. No big star coming back for Minny, but the load of picks and talent should make up for it. Minny still has room for another max player after this move.

Houston wont give up Harden, they love him and are looking for another superstar to add to the mix to give them a "Big 3". Also, Martin will never go back to Houston, things between him and the FO were very sour when he left and its toxic.

Kerrsed, while I understand not wanting to give up Harden, I really do not think they have the pieces to get anyone else without giving up him or Howard. And while most of the trades we all post likely never happen, I would have to think HOU would scramble to get the starting 5 above. I think it would be the best starting 5 in the NBA. I think if anyone denies it it would be Minny, since they don't get a bonafide star back. My $0.02.

[NotTraxxe]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

[JJ13]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

Good, keep them both. F*ck Love, trade for Thad w pick and maybe Green.

[gaspar]

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

does Bledsoe have any interest in the bucks?

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[bwgood77]

not to use the f-word again but if we frontload Bledsoe's contract now while we have room still, it would definitely make it easier to take on more salary later on.

Why would you use the F word? I don't know how much you can frontload a contract like his. I think their is a max decline each year (although I just looked through cbafaq and scrolled through the new CBA) but I seem to recall their is a max decline of 7.5% a year (though not completely sure on this).

So if you started him out at the max he can get, which his 14.746 million http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16 and then had a declining salary, it would be about 13.645 million in year two, a little over 12.6 million in year 3 and probably about 11.7 in year 4. So this would come out to about 52.7 million over 4 years.

This would be a fairly reasonable contract I suppose, or maybe even starting a little less. Then if we just gave Dragic a straight $13 million per year next year, that would allow a max to Love (in accordance with the above amounts and a cap figure of $67 million next year).

Edit: Just verified this with Larry Coon on twitter. 7.5% max decreases per year in this instance.

[bwgood77]

I'm guessing Love wants to get as far away from Rubio as possible. You guys watch those games last year? Rubio can't shoot. Can't. Shoot. At. All. Not from 3, not from midrange, not at the basket. And it absolutely destroyed their P&R offense, because they would just lay off the PG at all times, focusing on the roll man, which was Love. Anyone who prefers Rubio to either Bledsoe or Love I suspect hasn't really watched him play.

bwgood - you know I'd give up a lot to put Kevin in a Suns uniform now. But I think we're a really good team as we stand, even without Frye. If we can get to 50 wins this season, which is entirely possible, I'd think we'd have a solid chance of getting Love to join. Of course I worry that his affinity for big markets would draw him elsewhere.

After watching Archie in summer league, I agree he's not ready to take over for Dragic. He obviously doesn't have the shooting, but more importantly, he doesn't have the passing Dragic does. A lot of this can be explained by the lack of shooters on that squad, while our actual roster has plenty of guys who can nail from deep (Bledsoe, Thomas, Dragic, Green, Tucker, Marcus).

Oh yeah, I know Rubio can't shoot. That was just another idea. I much prefer keeping our team and going after Love next summer like I mentioned in the next post.

[Frank Lee]

Bledsoe will not agree to a S&T with the Wolves. If we get a deal done there Dragic is going and even then that depends on what Dragic says about comitting to the Wolves. Just like it depends on Love to the Suns.

Don't hold your breath.

does Bledsoe have any interest in the bucks?

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Yeah, as in 15 million of them.