Quarter-pole trade market

[sportscrazy]

I actually think the Nuggets are doing better than most people expected but just a little worse than many Nugs fans expected (for example I thought they'd go 7-11 in Oct/Nov and they went 6-12).

The injuries to Nurkic, Chandler, Lavergne, Faried and now Harris have set them back and Foye & Nelson shooting like absolute ass has certainly cost them a game or two.

Needs are definitely at the 1&2 spots, so that's where I'd look for them to draft. But trading for any useful young player at those spots is going to be tough. So the biggest needs right now are patience, development minutes, and good health.

The players who should be on the block are Foye, Hickson, Arthur and Nelson. Maybe Papanikolau and Miller. But all of those guys are players that won't be with the team for long anyway and I guess some of them are good to have around if the Nugs don't care about winning many games this year and getting a better draft pick. If any of those guys could be turned into 2nd rounders that would be ok given the team's relative success identifying good players late in the draft.

tl;dr

needs: draft picks
assets: Foye, Hickson, Arthur, Nelson, Papanikolau, and Mike Miller

If you land both your own and the Grizzlies' pick in the 2016 lottery, would you be content drafting Furkan Korkmaz and Malik Newman then later in the off-season trading Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler for Zach Randolph and Tony Allen or a similar type of deal? I just used Memphis because I could see them signing Pau Gasol or something like that and making Randolph expendable.

[damecurry]

I guess in theory, but it would have to be a crazy good deal. As much panic as outsiders have, the org (and most fans) aren't too concerned w/ KD's free agency, pretty confident he stays.

that's exactly how portland org/fans felt about lma up until early march last year.

Except Durant hasn't ever had a rumor that he wanted out, or ever asked for a trade,so really nothing like it. Oh, and the greater success (at least when healthy), and the much more constant praise and compliments of teammates and team, and the better teammates at least on the high end. And Some Minnesota fans hoped Love would stay too, doesn't mean all situations are the same (or even a little comparable).

Lol, yeah KD is on a different level than aldridge and comparably his team on a different level than lma's, but you're really trumping up the facts here. There were vague rumors a few years ago about aldridge wanting out, before lillard was ever on the scene but after they had a 54 win season and won a playoff series all reports were that aldridge was completely happy in portland, that he wanted and planned on breaking all the portland records, rumors that he called himself a portland guy for life. And that was the attitude up while we were healthy all the way until wes got injured in march. We were 41-19 when he went down, went 10-12 after that and got swept and he was suddenly beyond saving.
Sure Russell westbrook is way better than damian lillard and this isn't the same exact situation, I have no idea where I indicated that it was. All I said was we all felt really da** confident up until the last minute where everything went completely wrong. You're franchise has not been back to the finals since they decided to trade a budding star for a bunch of pieces that didn't pan out, injuries certainly have a part but if you flare out against the spurs in the 2nd round this year do you really think it's anything but a toss up for KD? I mean if he takes a look and sees golden state could have a core of steph/klay/dray/KD going forward vs. russ/KD/Ibaka/Kanter I might be bias but I know which one I'm choosing.
Anyway, sorry for the defensive rant I wasn't trying to bash your team or chances of retaining KD simply saying I was confident about retaining our star at this time last year and that didn't pan out too well. I do think they're a lot more similar situations than you're giving credit for. Love never made the playoffs in 6 years at minnesota, we'd just made the playoffs twice in a row and won a playoff series, you won't be able to tell KD you made the playoffs twice in a row (and true that's entirely because of his own injury but still a fact lol.)

[HartfordWhalers]

Everything looks all set with Philly.

Yeah you guys finally win a game and then you suspend your best player for two games. Hinkie isn't messing around this time.

Last year Covington was the best player on the team (not the best prospect). So far this year, Covington is the best player on the team (not best prospect).

[nomansland]

I actually think the Nuggets are doing better than most people expected but just a little worse than many Nugs fans expected (for example I thought they'd go 7-11 in Oct/Nov and they went 6-12).

The injuries to Nurkic, Chandler, Lavergne, Faried and now Harris have set them back and Foye & Nelson shooting like absolute ass has certainly cost them a game or two.

Needs are definitely at the 1&2 spots, so that's where I'd look for them to draft. But trading for any useful young player at those spots is going to be tough. So the biggest needs right now are patience, development minutes, and good health.

The players who should be on the block are Foye, Hickson, Arthur and Nelson. Maybe Papanikolau and Miller. But all of those guys are players that won't be with the team for long anyway and I guess some of them are good to have around if the Nugs don't care about winning many games this year and getting a better draft pick. If any of those guys could be turned into 2nd rounders that would be ok given the team's relative success identifying good players late in the draft.

tl;dr

needs: draft picks
assets: Foye, Hickson, Arthur, Nelson, Papanikolau, and Mike Miller

If you land both your own and the Grizzlies' pick in the 2016 lottery, would you be content drafting Furkan Korkmaz and Malik Newman then later in the off-season trading Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler for Zach Randolph and Tony Allen or a similar type of deal? I just used Memphis because I could see them signing Pau Gasol or something like that and making Randolph expendable.

No idea on draft picks yet and it's way to early to speculate who we'd draft. Around this time last year I was hoping for Winslow or Hezonja but thinking we'd settle for Stanley Johnson.

That Memphis pick is not gonna happen this year, I'm almost sure. If Houston gets their **** together we could get theirs though in the 14-20 range.

Anyway I wouldn't trade Faried and Chandler for Randolph and Allen. That's a "win now" move and the Nugs are 2-3 years away from needing those types of players. Plus Randolph isn't that great of a fit on a team that wants to exploit pace. I like those players, the situations's just not right.

[phonzadellika]

The Wolves are a bit better than most of us expected them to be, probably due to Towns being such a beast and Wiggins asserting himself as a good #1 scorer. They've been competitive in almost every game they've played and would probably be .500 or so if Rubio hadn't missed a bunch of games. The Wolves lose their pick if they make the playoffs. My guess is that they want to make the playoffs this year, Mitchell seems to be coaching like that's the goal and the team appears hungry.

Ideally, the Wolves would only trade for proven vet players that still have a bunch of tread on the tires, as we already 3 players with bonafide AARP memberships. We need a starting 3 who provides good team defense and is a legitimate 3 point threat for the future and perhaps a starting stretch 4, and they would need to be clear upgrades over Shabazz and Bjelica.

As far as trade assets go, KMart is the guy we can most easily let go of but he's playing like garbage right now. Shabazz, Dieng, and Bjelica are moveable for the right deal. We also have the rights to Bojan Dubljevic, who is a somewhat promising stretch 5 in europe. We might have a 2nd rounder or two available. No 1st is currently available. Rubio is probably unavailable at the moment, but that could change depending on how things continue to shake out this season. He's a fan favorite so I think it would take a clear win on the deal to move him. My guess is Lavine is probably viewed the same way because of how Mitchell plays him.

My guess is that the Wolves will likely wait to be players in free agency but I think they'd be open to a trade that helps out the team long-term.

[HartfordWhalers]

Everything looks all set with Philly.

Needs: Picks
Assets: Cap Space


No?

Oh, fine.


Needs: future assets and upside assets (picks, pick swaps, also picks) and eventually 3m of salary to hit the floor cheaper than paying it themselves.

Assets: Cap room ~13m or so. Willingness to put out whatever team the team wants to and not care about the short term while the hot takes hit the fan, Carl Landry! and a plethora of picks




Noteworthy: Wroten and Isaiah Canaan will be rfa's next summer, while Landry is still hanging around likely to prevent his money from becoming dead money stuck on the team for sure.

As such, I think Wroten and Canaan are imminently shop-able, and the team would ideally want to dump Landry.

[Prospect Dong]

The Wolves are a bit better than most of us expected them to be, probably due to Towns being such a beast and Wiggins asserting himself as a good #1 scorer. They've been competitive in almost every game they've played and would probably be .500 or so if Rubio hadn't missed a bunch of games. The Wolves lose their pick if they make the playoffs. My guess is that they want to make the playoffs this year, Mitchell seems to be coaching like that's the goal and the team appears hungry.

Ideally, the Wolves would only trade for proven vet players that still have a bunch of tread on the tires, as we already 3 players with bonafide AARP memberships. We need a starting 3 who provides good team defense and is a legitimate 3 point threat for the future and perhaps a starting stretch 4, and they would need to be clear upgrades over Shabazz and Bjelica.

As far as trade assets go, KMart is the guy we can most easily let go of but he's playing like garbage right now. Shabazz, Dieng, and Bjelica are moveable for the right deal. We also have the rights to Bojan Dubljevic, who is a somewhat promising stretch 5 in europe. We might have a 2nd rounder or two available. No 1st is currently available. Rubio is probably unavailable at the moment, but that could change depending on how things continue to shake out this season. He's a fan favorite so I think it would take a clear win on the deal to move him. My guess is Lavine is probably viewed the same way because of how Mitchell plays him.

My guess is that the Wolves will likely wait to be players in free agency but I think they'd be open to a trade that helps out the team long-term.

Who do they owe that pick to? Is that last year's Atlanta deal?

[bondom34]

that's exactly how portland org/fans felt about lma up until early march last year.

Except Durant hasn't ever had a rumor that he wanted out, or ever asked for a trade,so really nothing like it. Oh, and the greater success (at least when healthy), and the much more constant praise and compliments of teammates and team, and the better teammates at least on the high end. And Some Minnesota fans hoped Love would stay too, doesn't mean all situations are the same (or even a little comparable).

Lol, yeah KD is on a different level than aldridge and comparably his team on a different level than lma's, but you're really trumping up the facts here. There were vague rumors a few years ago about aldridge wanting out, before lillard was ever on the scene but after they had a 54 win season and won a playoff series all reports were that aldridge was completely happy in portland, that he wanted and planned on breaking all the portland records, rumors that he called himself a portland guy for life. And that was the attitude up while we were healthy all the way until wes got injured in march. We were 41-19 when he went down, went 10-12 after that and got swept and he was suddenly beyond saving.
Sure Russell westbrook is way better than damian lillard and this isn't the same exact situation, I have no idea where I indicated that it was. All I said was we all felt really da** confident up until the last minute where everything went completely wrong. You're franchise has not been back to the finals since they decided to trade a budding star for a bunch of pieces that didn't pan out, injuries certainly have a part but if you flare out against the spurs in the 2nd round this year do you really think it's anything but a toss up for KD? I mean if he takes a look and sees golden state could have a core of steph/klay/dray/KD going forward vs. russ/KD/Ibaka/Kanter I might be bias but I know which one I'm choosing.
Anyway, sorry for the defensive rant I wasn't trying to bash your team or chances of retaining KD simply saying I was confident about retaining our star at this time last year and that didn't pan out too well. I do think they're a lot more similar situations than you're giving credit for. Love never made the playoffs in 6 years at minnesota, we'd just made the playoffs twice in a row and won a playoff series, you won't be able to tell KD you made the playoffs twice in a row (and true that's entirely because of his own injury but still a fact lol.)

Uh...OK? So he'd go to GSW to be the second fiddle there and a hired gun, sure that would be what he wants. And the team traded a guy who wanted out and got deeper, they never made it back because they haven't been healthy. There were way more than vague rumors w/ LMA, and there's been less with Durant. The 2 are entirely unrelated and you for some bizarre reason felt it needed to relate them, when OKC is in a better spot that Portland was (sorry to say it because I legit like you guys). Durant has said much more in praise of OKC than LMA did, he's acted more on it to boot. It was a random and unnecessary shot to try to relate something. Yeah, LMA left and there were rumors for years. So did Love, Dwight demanded out, Lebron left the Cavs too. That doesn't mean that they're all equal. I'm confident for a reason, and the team and fans are too, I would have felt much less confident with LMA though I had hoped he would have stayed. Edit: Oh, and yea I'd still be confident barring a total collapse (barely make the playoffs, something happens with Billy Donovan, etc). And re: the trade, I'll take Adams and McGary and say they've panned out fine. Seems to me like you just feel insecure about your team and want to bring it on others.

[R-DAWG]

As a Knick fan what a difference 12 months makes. This season has been so much fun because of Porzingis. Melo looks like Melo. Aaron Afflalo is just a very good player on a good contract. He has made Jose Calderon so much better. Lopez is very solid. Grant has played well at times and Galloway looks much improved. The rest of the squad has contributed. Still need a new coach but the Knicks are trending upward after a downward spiral in 13/14 and dumpster of a 14/15 season.

Porzingis has been better than anyone expected. Kid is putting up 14-9-2 as a rookie and the sky looks like the limit with him. He gets better every game. The guy looks like a franchise player, 6 weeks to be honest I had not seen him play besides a few summer league games because NYC was all about the Mets in October/

NY could use an upgrade at the PG postion. Calderon has played much better since Afflalo has been in the lineup. But he's a high quality backup playing as the starter right now. Is there any PG that can be acquired using Jerian Grant as the value and Calderon and/or Derrick Williams to make the math work. For the right player NY could include a lotto protected 2018 pick. The player would need to take NY from a borderline playoff team to a team with a real chance to make the conference finals and young enough to be a part of the long term future. Not sure there is a player who fits that mold available for those assets.

Assuming NY does not make that kind of trade we likely stand pat or make a small move that involves either a 2nd rd pick or flipping bench player for bench player. Thomas has been very serviceable and Williams has had his moments, but we could really use a wing that can guard 2's and 3's and shoot a good percentage from 3.

If a team called about Carmelo, Afflalo, Lopez or Galloway NY should listen. Since we don't have our pick and are in position to make a playoff run it's going to take an above market offer to get Melo/Lopez/AA but Galloway is going to be an RFA so moving him if it gets you into the mid teens of the draft is something to consider, but I doubt he has that kind of value. I think we will be able to move Lopez on draft night to get into the middle of the first round if we desire.

Current assets: Carmelo Anthony, Robin Lopez, Aaron Afflalo, Langston Galloway
Future assets: Kristas Porzingis (only available for a true young superstar ala Davis), Jerian Grant, stash prospect Hermogomez
Liabilities: 2016 1st rd pick owed to Toronto, unprotected.

[R-DAWG]

I guess in theory, but it would have to be a crazy good deal. As much panic as outsiders have, the org (and most fans) aren't too concerned w/ KD's free agency, pretty confident he stays.

that's exactly how portland org/fans felt about lma up until early march last year.

Except Durant hasn't ever had a rumor that he wanted out, or ever asked for a trade,so really nothing like it. Oh, and the greater success (at least when healthy), and the much more constant praise and compliments of teammates and team, and the better teammates at least on the high end. And Some Minnesota fans hoped Love would stay too, doesn't mean all situations are the same (or even a little comparable).

If i'm OKC I kind of have a sense of urgency because of health more than Durant leaving. You haven't had your core healthy in 3 years and the last time they were you were in the finals.

If I was OKC's GM I would be canvassing the league to see what a package of Cameron Payne and one of Steven Adams or Mitch McGary could return in a trade. I'd even though Enes Kantors name around. After investing a future 1st and max contract in Kanter, there is no need for both Adams and McGary. Sure, having both is a nice luxury, but you guys really need a 2 way wing who shoots a high percentage and can guard both 2's and 3's. There just isn't enough minutes for the 3 centers and Payne isn't a rotation player right now. Another nice luxury to have but if you can add a young veteran who can help you win a championship this year and be around for the next 3-5 years (which is really the window that's left with Durant and Westbrook being elite enough to win championships) you should do it.

Mitch McGary for PJ Tucker makes a lot of sense
Cameron Payne for Evan Fourneir makes a lot of sense
Steven Adams for CJ McCollum could make sense

[bondom34]

that's exactly how portland org/fans felt about lma up until early march last year.

Except Durant hasn't ever had a rumor that he wanted out, or ever asked for a trade,so really nothing like it. Oh, and the greater success (at least when healthy), and the much more constant praise and compliments of teammates and team, and the better teammates at least on the high end. And Some Minnesota fans hoped Love would stay too, doesn't mean all situations are the same (or even a little comparable).

If i'm OKC I kind of have a sense of urgency because of health more than Durant leaving. You haven't had your core healthy in 3 years and the last time they were you were in the finals.

If I was OKC's GM I would be canvassing the league to see what a package of Cameron Payne and one of Steven Adams or Mitch McGary could return in a trade. I'd even though Enes Kantors name around. After investing a future 1st and max contract in Kanter, there is no need for both Adams and McGary. Sure, having both is a nice luxury, but you guys really need a 2 way wing who shoots a high percentage and can guard both 2's and 3's. There just isn't enough minutes for the 3 centers and Payne isn't a rotation player right now. Another nice luxury to have but if you can add a young veteran who can help you win a championship this year and be around for the next 3-5 years (which is really the window that's left with Durant and Westbrook being elite enough to win championships) you should do it.

Mitch McGary for PJ Tucker makes a lot of sense
Cameron Payne for Evan Fourneir makes a lot of sense
Steven Adams for CJ McCollum could make sense

Adams isn't available, hes flat better than Kanter. The Tucker deal I do in a flash. The Fournier one maybe, but I dont see ORL doing it. Also, McGary isn't a center at all, he's a PF.

[R-DAWG]

For Portland:

(I'm sure that Blazer management and probably quite a few Blazer fans would disagree with me)

Blazers have been competitive but are still a team with low talent at 4 positions. Any trade that adds draft picks would probably be considered, and if it made Portland weaker short-term, the benefit might be more lottery balls in May

* Blazers obviously would make Chris Kaman and Gerald Henderson available. And just as obviously, wouldn't be getting much for them

* I think other players should be available: CJ McCollum; Meyers Leonard, Allen Crabbe. Obviously, McCollum has the most value and it would take a nice offer to pry him loose. I'd think if a good offer didn't come before the trade deadline for any of those players, they could possibly used as added leverage with Portland's 2016 first to move up in the draft, assuming the Blazers are at 6 or 7 or 8 in the draft order

I'd give Payne and Mcgary and everything else I could lay my hands on to get McCollum to this team. Doubt we'd be able to offer enough, but it'd be worth a try.

Payne and Steven Adams for McCollum?

Portland gets a starting C for the future and has a potential explosive back court with Payne and Lillard
OKC would end up with a player more ready to contribute now and hopefully be the elite 6th man James Harden was

I wouldn't do it if I was OKC but it's the way you can make it work.

[bondom34]

For Portland:

(I'm sure that Blazer management and probably quite a few Blazer fans would disagree with me)

Blazers have been competitive but are still a team with low talent at 4 positions. Any trade that adds draft picks would probably be considered, and if it made Portland weaker short-term, the benefit might be more lottery balls in May

* Blazers obviously would make Chris Kaman and Gerald Henderson available. And just as obviously, wouldn't be getting much for them

* I think other players should be available: CJ McCollum; Meyers Leonard, Allen Crabbe. Obviously, McCollum has the most value and it would take a nice offer to pry him loose. I'd think if a good offer didn't come before the trade deadline for any of those players, they could possibly used as added leverage with Portland's 2016 first to move up in the draft, assuming the Blazers are at 6 or 7 or 8 in the draft order

I'd give Payne and Mcgary and everything else I could lay my hands on to get McCollum to this team. Doubt we'd be able to offer enough, but it'd be worth a try.

Payne and Steven Adams for McCollum?

Portland gets a starting C for the future and has a potential explosive back court with Payne and Lillard
OKC would end up with a player more ready to contribute now and hopefully be the elite 6th man James Harden was

I wouldn't do it if I was OKC but it's the way you can make it work.

You're really underselling Adams.

[R-DAWG]

Except Durant hasn't ever had a rumor that he wanted out, or ever asked for a trade,so really nothing like it. Oh, and the greater success (at least when healthy), and the much more constant praise and compliments of teammates and team, and the better teammates at least on the high end. And Some Minnesota fans hoped Love would stay too, doesn't mean all situations are the same (or even a little comparable).

If i'm OKC I kind of have a sense of urgency because of health more than Durant leaving. You haven't had your core healthy in 3 years and the last time they were you were in the finals.

If I was OKC's GM I would be canvassing the league to see what a package of Cameron Payne and one of Steven Adams or Mitch McGary could return in a trade. I'd even though Enes Kantors name around. After investing a future 1st and max contract in Kanter, there is no need for both Adams and McGary. Sure, having both is a nice luxury, but you guys really need a 2 way wing who shoots a high percentage and can guard both 2's and 3's. There just isn't enough minutes for the 3 centers and Payne isn't a rotation player right now. Another nice luxury to have but if you can add a young veteran who can help you win a championship this year and be around for the next 3-5 years (which is really the window that's left with Durant and Westbrook being elite enough to win championships) you should do it.

Mitch McGary for PJ Tucker makes a lot of sense
Cameron Payne for Evan Fourneir makes a lot of sense
Steven Adams for CJ McCollum could make sense

Adams isn't available, hes flat better than Kanter. The Tucker deal I do in a flash. The Fournier one maybe, but I dont see ORL doing it. Also, McGary isn't a center at all, he's a PF.

What else would you throw Orlando to do the Forunier deal? Seems like the perfect fit. Solid all around player who is a great 3 pt shooter and can slide between the 2 and 3. Also only 23 years old and heading to be a RFA.

[bondom34]

If i'm OKC I kind of have a sense of urgency because of health more than Durant leaving. You haven't had your core healthy in 3 years and the last time they were you were in the finals.

If I was OKC's GM I would be canvassing the league to see what a package of Cameron Payne and one of Steven Adams or Mitch McGary could return in a trade. I'd even though Enes Kantors name around. After investing a future 1st and max contract in Kanter, there is no need for both Adams and McGary. Sure, having both is a nice luxury, but you guys really need a 2 way wing who shoots a high percentage and can guard both 2's and 3's. There just isn't enough minutes for the 3 centers and Payne isn't a rotation player right now. Another nice luxury to have but if you can add a young veteran who can help you win a championship this year and be around for the next 3-5 years (which is really the window that's left with Durant and Westbrook being elite enough to win championships) you should do it.

Mitch McGary for PJ Tucker makes a lot of sense
Cameron Payne for Evan Fourneir makes a lot of sense
Steven Adams for CJ McCollum could make sense

Adams isn't available, hes flat better than Kanter. The Tucker deal I do in a flash. The Fournier one maybe, but I dont see ORL doing it. Also, McGary isn't a center at all, he's a PF.

What else would you throw Orlando to do the Forunier deal? Seems like the perfect fit. Solid all around player who is a great 3 pt shooter and can slide between the 2 and 3. Also only 23 years old and heading to be a RFA.

They don't have anything else, that's the problem. Orlando already has Payton at PG, I don't see why they'd want Payne. Literally all OKC has is Waiters, McGary, Augustin, and some 2nds.

[R-DAWG]

I'd give Payne and Mcgary and everything else I could lay my hands on to get McCollum to this team. Doubt we'd be able to offer enough, but it'd be worth a try.

Payne and Steven Adams for McCollum?

Portland gets a starting C for the future and has a potential explosive back court with Payne and Lillard
OKC would end up with a player more ready to contribute now and hopefully be the elite 6th man James Harden was

I wouldn't do it if I was OKC but it's the way you can make it work.

You're really underselling Adams.

first off, I said I wouldn't do the deal. I'm saying if I'm the OKC GM I wouldn't make Adams untouchable. No way.
If Adams and Payne brought back Forunier and you could get a 3rd team involved with a vet center who can average 6pts, 6 rebounds, and 1 block shot in 25 minutes why wouldn't you do it? Doesn't that make you a more balanced team and give you a better chance at getting to the NBA finals and winning a championship. Durant and Westbrook are both 27 years old. The time to win with them is now.

[R-DAWG]

Adams isn't available, hes flat better than Kanter. The Tucker deal I do in a flash. The Fournier one maybe, but I dont see ORL doing it. Also, McGary isn't a center at all, he's a PF.

What else would you throw Orlando to do the Forunier deal? Seems like the perfect fit. Solid all around player who is a great 3 pt shooter and can slide between the 2 and 3. Also only 23 years old and heading to be a RFA.

They don't have anything else, that's the problem. Orlando already has Payton at PG, I don't see why they'd want Payne. Literally all OKC has is Waiters, McGary, Augustin, and some 2nds.

I that is what OKC is offering then they will be in the market for PJ Tucker level players.

As for Orlando the Oladpio/Payton back court does not work. Payne adds much needed shooting to that back court and allows Orlando to use Payton to improve their team in another trade. Orlando's pieces just don't really fit. Too many athletes, not enough shooters.

[bondom34]

Payne and Steven Adams for McCollum?

Portland gets a starting C for the future and has a potential explosive back court with Payne and Lillard
OKC would end up with a player more ready to contribute now and hopefully be the elite 6th man James Harden was

I wouldn't do it if I was OKC but it's the way you can make it work.

You're really underselling Adams.

first off, I said I wouldn't do the deal. I'm saying if I'm the OKC GM I wouldn't make Adams untouchable. No way.
If Adams and Payne brought back Forunier and you could get a 3rd team involved with a vet center who can average 6pts, 6 rebounds, and 1 block shot in 25 minutes why wouldn't you do it? Doesn't that make you a more balanced team and give you a better chance at getting to the NBA finals and winning a championship. Durant and Westbrook are both 27 years old. The time to win with them is now.

Heck no I wouldn't. Adams is flat out better than that, he's better than Kanter and younger. He's the exact big the team needs, and is win now.

[R-DAWG]

You're really underselling Adams.

first off, I said I wouldn't do the deal. I'm saying if I'm the OKC GM I wouldn't make Adams untouchable. No way.
If Adams and Payne brought back Forunier and you could get a 3rd team involved with a vet center who can average 6pts, 6 rebounds, and 1 block shot in 25 minutes why wouldn't you do it? Doesn't that make you a more balanced team and give you a better chance at getting to the NBA finals and winning a championship. Durant and Westbrook are both 27 years old. The time to win with them is now.

Heck no I wouldn't. Adams is flat out better than that, he's better than Kanter and younger. He's the exact big the team needs, and is win now.

Then what was the point of A) giving up a first for Kanter and B) giving Kanter the max. How are you going to pay Adams what he's going to command if he's as good as you say while also paying Kanter and then paying Durant and Westbrook the super max and paying Ibaka? If you gave up a 1st rd pick and gave a max contract to a guy who isn't good enough to be a starting center when you don't have a starting SG maybe you should be looking for a new general manager.

I mean maybe we should be asking ourselves the question is Sam Presti a good general manager?

The Harden trade speaks for itself
If Adam's is untradable because Kanter isn't a capable starting C then that trade and contract is a disaster
Giving Reggie Jackson away for a backup PG a month after giving up a 1st rd pick for Dion Waiters


Is this guy a good GM or did he just get lucky with Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka?

Also, how exactly is Adams projected as more than an average starting center, which his is not right now? He's not in the same category as Towns, Okafor, and Drummond.

[bondom34]

Then what was the point of A) giving up a first for Kanter and B) giving Kanter the max. How are you going to pay Adams what he's going to command if he's as good as you say while also paying Kanter and then paying Durant and Westbrook the super max and paying Ibaka? If you gave up a 1st rd pick and gave a max contract to a guy who isn't good enough to be a starting center when you don't have a starting SG maybe you should be looking for a new general manager.

I mean maybe we should be asking ourselves the question is Sam Presti a good general manager?

The Harden trade speaks for itself
If Adam's is untradable because Kanter isn't a capable starting C then that trade and contract is a disaster
Giving Reggie Jackson away for a backup PG a month after giving up a 1st rd pick for Dion Waiters


Is this guy a good GM or did he just get lucky with Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka?

Adams and Kanter are polar opposites, so that's the point there, they play entirely different roles and Kanter is off the bench while Adams starts. Harden wanted out so I have zero issue there, he didn't give Jackson away, that was the Kanter trade. Kanter has been productive, he hasn't been a problem. The only trade I hate is Waiters for the first. Every other deal has made sense and/or been good value.