Marquette Hoops Discussion

[mbradleyc]

I like them. Fresh.

[bucksbrewers3]

Opening night! Love it. Decent tournament field in the veterans classic. Vandy is a bit of an unknown with the new coach but they have shooters. I think Marquette wins 75-69.


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[bucksbrewers3]

Just a spanking of vandy. Love that they can shoot the three ball with more than just two players. The depth of this team is going to win then 24 games this year


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[Prince12]

Not much activity in this thread but is anyone going tonight? I'm considering it.

[Johnlac1]

I can see one major problem for Marquette is poor team IQ. The guards are quick, fast but they're all gunners. Without someone on offense organizing things, they're in for a tough time against quality opponents.

[GBPackers47]

I can see one major problem for Marquette is poor team IQ. The guards are quick, fast but they're all gunners. Without someone on offense organizing things, they're in for a tough time against quality opponents.

Should be interesting to see as the season progresses. I'm just happy Marquette finally has something slightly resembling a basketball team. Last year was a step in the right direction and it looks like the program is finally on the rise again. Been too many years of horrible basketball from a school that has historically been known for its program.

[Johnlac1]

I can see one major problem for Marquette is poor team IQ. The guards are quick, fast but they're all gunners. Without someone on offense organizing things, they're in for a tough time against quality opponents.

Should be interesting to see as the season progresses. I'm just happy Marquette finally has something slightly resembling a basketball team. Last year was a step in the right direction and it looks like the program is finally on the rise again. Been too many years of horrible basketball from a school that has historically been known for its program.

I didn't see their last game (recorded), but it looks like Hauser started instead of Reinhardt....that is probably a good thing. Hauser gives them better size and rebounding for defense while an excellent three ball guy on offense and better team player. Reinhardt is probably best coming off the bench.

[GBPackers47]

I can see one major problem for Marquette is poor team IQ. The guards are quick, fast but they're all gunners. Without someone on offense organizing things, they're in for a tough time against quality opponents.

Should be interesting to see as the season progresses. I'm just happy Marquette finally has something slightly resembling a basketball team. Last year was a step in the right direction and it looks like the program is finally on the rise again. Been too many years of horrible basketball from a school that has historically been known for its program.

I didn't see their last game (recorded), but it looks like Hauser started instead of Reinhardt....that is probably a good thing. Hauser gives them better size and rebounding for defense while an excellent three ball guy on offense and better team player. Reinhardt is probably best coming off the bench.

I missed the last game as well, but I like having Hauser start. Not only is he capable of it, but he's obviously going to be at MU for a few years where Reinhardt is gone after this year. Not to say Hauser should get more minutes, but like my views with the Bucks, I think it's important to give our young guys that are going to be here a while some burn.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

What was the story with Sandy Cohen? I followed his recruitment fairly closely because one of my other favorite teams was recruiting him as well (Minnesota). Thought he had a load of potential. Haven't followed Marquette as closely as I would have liked the last year year or two, so any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

[GBPackers47]

What was the story with Sandy Cohen? I followed his recruitment fairly closely because one of my other favorite teams was recruiting him as well (Minnesota). Thought he had a load of potential. Haven't followed Marquette as closely as I would have liked the last year year or two, so any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

He fell pretty far out of the rotation and just wasn't that consistent when he got playing time. The story is he left because Wojo told him he wasn't going to have a meaningful role in the rotation. Reminds me a lot of the Jeronne Maymon situation a few years ago. Solid recruit coming in, not that productive on the court, fall out of the rotation and leave.

It was probably the right move for Cohen though. When basketball has taken you as far as playing D1, you don't want to waste those years riding the pine, especially when you have the chance to transfer and find a meaningful role. Maymon had some success at Tennessee and went on to play a year or two overseas, so smart move for Cohen imo.

[Johnlac1]

Should be interesting to see as the season progresses. I'm just happy Marquette finally has something slightly resembling a basketball team. Last year was a step in the right direction and it looks like the program is finally on the rise again. Been too many years of horrible basketball from a school that has historically been known for its program.

I didn't see their last game (recorded), but it looks like Hauser started instead of Reinhardt....that is probably a good thing. Hauser gives them better size and rebounding for defense while an excellent three ball guy on offense and better team player. Reinhardt is probably best coming off the bench.

I missed the last game as well, but I like having Hauser start. Not only is he capable of it, but he's obviously going to be at MU for a few years where Reinhardt is gone after this year. Not to say Hauser should get more minutes, but like my views with the Bucks, I think it's important to give our young guys that are going to be here a while some burn.

Yes, might as well play younger players with a future than one year wonders. Hauser can be a real good player.
Too bad Ellenson left after one year. He's presently riding the pines in Detroit or playing D-league ball.
If he were at Marquette, they'd have a chance to make some noise in the tournament with most of their key players back with more experience. I don't see them going anywhere this year in the tourney. And who do they have for a big man after Fischer leaves?

[Johnlac1]

What was the story with Sandy Cohen? I followed his recruitment fairly closely because one of my other favorite teams was recruiting him as well (Minnesota). Thought he had a load of potential. Haven't followed Marquette as closely as I would have liked the last year year or two, so any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

Cohen looked like he could be a good college player with the right team. Showed flashes the past two years.

[GBPackers47]

I didn't see their last game (recorded), but it looks like Hauser started instead of Reinhardt....that is probably a good thing. Hauser gives them better size and rebounding for defense while an excellent three ball guy on offense and better team player. Reinhardt is probably best coming off the bench.

I missed the last game as well, but I like having Hauser start. Not only is he capable of it, but he's obviously going to be at MU for a few years where Reinhardt is gone after this year. Not to say Hauser should get more minutes, but like my views with the Bucks, I think it's important to give our young guys that are going to be here a while some burn.

Yes, might as well play younger players with a future than one year wonders. Hauser can be a real good player.
Too bad Ellenson left after one year. He's presently riding the pines in Detroit or playing D-league ball.
If he were at Marquette, they'd have a chance to make some noise in the tournament with most of their key players back with more experience. I don't see them going anywhere this year in the tourney. And who do they have for a big man after Fischer leaves?

I agree that I don't see them ready to make any noise in the tournament (or even make it) this year. Definitely would be a different story with Ellenson, but can't fault a guy for taking the guaranteed millions. One and done players can be frustrating, but I think Ellenson making that move is a great recruiting tool Wojo can use, especially when recruiting within the state. For the last few years, Wisconsin has been the better basketball team in the state, but Marquette can use Ellenson, Butler, Crowder, Matthews, Wade (and I guess Novak?). Wisconsin has had some NBA success lately with Frank and Dekker being first rounders, but outside of that, I think Devin Harris is the only guy in the league from the Badgers? I haven't studied the upcoming draft too much yet, but I'm sure Hayes is projected to go somewhere which will be good for them. If Marquette can get back on track with a winning culture (and doing my best to remove bias considering I graduated from there), I think Marquette is the more attractive option in the state for players. Wisconsin is always going to be football first, and Marquette has a list of successful NBA players to go with the Jordan sponsorship (BIG DEAL AND I PRAY THEY NEVER LOSE IT), the new arena, proximity to an "NBA" team, etc.

Now to your second point, Heldt is the only other C on the roster behind Fischer. That isn't going to excite too many people, so I think it's going to be an issue next year. The one positive though is Wojo seems to put at least some attention into having a traditional C. Buzz never really recruited traditional big men and we were usually stuck with the Dwight Burkes of the world playing center. He tried dipping his toes into taller players, but generally failed with Chris Otule and Youssoupha Mbao being examples. Davante Gardner was probably the most productive center we had recently, but again, only 6'8.

[Johnlac1]

I missed the last game as well, but I like having Hauser start. Not only is he capable of it, but he's obviously going to be at MU for a few years where Reinhardt is gone after this year. Not to say Hauser should get more minutes, but like my views with the Bucks, I think it's important to give our young guys that are going to be here a while some burn.

Yes, might as well play younger players with a future than one year wonders. Hauser can be a real good player.
Too bad Ellenson left after one year. He's presently riding the pines in Detroit or playing D-league ball.
If he were at Marquette, they'd have a chance to make some noise in the tournament with most of their key players back with more experience. I don't see them going anywhere this year in the tourney. And who do they have for a big man after Fischer leaves?

I agree that I don't see them ready to make any noise in the tournament (or even make it) this year. Definitely would be a different story with Ellenson, but can't fault a guy for taking the guaranteed millions. One and done players can be frustrating, but I think Ellenson making that move is a great recruiting tool Wojo can use, especially when recruiting within the state. For the last few years, Wisconsin has been the better basketball team in the state, but Marquette can use Ellenson, Butler, Crowder, Matthews, Wade (and I guess Novak?). Wisconsin has had some NBA success lately with Frank and Dekker being first rounders, but outside of that, I think Devin Harris is the only guy in the league from the Badgers? I haven't studied the upcoming draft too much yet, but I'm sure Hayes is projected to go somewhere which will be good for them. If Marquette can get back on track with a winning culture (and doing my best to remove bias considering I graduated from there), I think Marquette is the more attractive option in the state for players. Wisconsin is always going to be football first, and Marquette has a list of successful NBA players to go with the Jordan sponsorship (BIG DEAL AND I PRAY THEY NEVER LOSE IT), the new arena, proximity to an "NBA" team, etc.

Now to your second point, Heldt is the only other C on the roster behind Fischer. That isn't going to excite too many people, so I think it's going to be an issue next year. The one positive though is Wojo seems to put at least some attention into having a traditional C. Buzz never really recruited traditional big men and we were usually stuck with the Dwight Burkes of the world playing center. He tried dipping his toes into taller players, but generally failed with Chris Otule and Youssoupha Mbao being examples. Davante Gardner was probably the most productive center we had recently, but again, only 6'8.

I tend to agree about players going after the money if it's there. I think everybody knows that players as good as Ellenson look at college ball as prep for the pros. If the money is there, who wouldn't take it? Break a leg or something, and no millions.
Which is why I snicker at Hayes's comments about him being a poor college player. For one thing, he's getting about a $200,000 deal at Wisconsin if you look at scholarship money and prep for the pros. Plus, if he's that broke (which I doubt), he can leave now and make good money in Europe or China if he doesn't get a good NBA deal...which looks likely.

[GBPackers47]

Yes, might as well play younger players with a future than one year wonders. Hauser can be a real good player.
Too bad Ellenson left after one year. He's presently riding the pines in Detroit or playing D-league ball.
If he were at Marquette, they'd have a chance to make some noise in the tournament with most of their key players back with more experience. I don't see them going anywhere this year in the tourney. And who do they have for a big man after Fischer leaves?

I agree that I don't see them ready to make any noise in the tournament (or even make it) this year. Definitely would be a different story with Ellenson, but can't fault a guy for taking the guaranteed millions. One and done players can be frustrating, but I think Ellenson making that move is a great recruiting tool Wojo can use, especially when recruiting within the state. For the last few years, Wisconsin has been the better basketball team in the state, but Marquette can use Ellenson, Butler, Crowder, Matthews, Wade (and I guess Novak?). Wisconsin has had some NBA success lately with Frank and Dekker being first rounders, but outside of that, I think Devin Harris is the only guy in the league from the Badgers? I haven't studied the upcoming draft too much yet, but I'm sure Hayes is projected to go somewhere which will be good for them. If Marquette can get back on track with a winning culture (and doing my best to remove bias considering I graduated from there), I think Marquette is the more attractive option in the state for players. Wisconsin is always going to be football first, and Marquette has a list of successful NBA players to go with the Jordan sponsorship (BIG DEAL AND I PRAY THEY NEVER LOSE IT), the new arena, proximity to an "NBA" team, etc.

Now to your second point, Heldt is the only other C on the roster behind Fischer. That isn't going to excite too many people, so I think it's going to be an issue next year. The one positive though is Wojo seems to put at least some attention into having a traditional C. Buzz never really recruited traditional big men and we were usually stuck with the Dwight Burkes of the world playing center. He tried dipping his toes into taller players, but generally failed with Chris Otule and Youssoupha Mbao being examples. Davante Gardner was probably the most productive center we had recently, but again, only 6'8.

I tend to agree about players going after the money if it's there. I think everybody knows that players as good as Ellenson look at college ball as prep for the pros. If the money is there, who wouldn't take it? Break a leg or something, and no millions.
Which is why I snicker at Hayes's comments about him being a poor college player. For one thing, he's getting about a $200,000 deal at Wisconsin if you look at scholarship money and prep for the pros. Plus, if he's that broke (which I doubt), he can leave now and make good money in Europe or China if he doesn't get a good NBA deal...which looks likely.

Agreed. Admittedly I don't follow Wisconsin basketball too closely, but Hayes will absolutely be able to make six figures overseas if the NBA doesn't pan out. I took a class my freshman year at Marquette that had about 15 people in it, Jimmy Butler being one of those 15. I remember asking him if he thought he should get paid to play in college and he said "absolutely not. I'm going to Marquette for free." That always stuck with me because I think that aspect is often an oversight. Basketball is one of the, if not the only, sport where you don't have to make it to the Pros in the states to still make a ton of money. Hell, I guarantee bum *** Todd Mayo is making six figures somewhere.

[El Duderino]

Wojo seems like he can recruit pretty well, but i'm getting more and more concerned about his ability to coach up those players on both ends of the court.

Buzz had his flaws, but he almost always got his teams to defend. On offense they usually weren't really turnover prone. For Wojo though, so far at least, his teams have been poor defensively and to erratic offensively.

[Chuck Diesel]

Wow is this Reinhardt dude ever brutal. Good gracious. Hauser loos like a pro though.

[skitch815]

Hauser has really been good thus far. Plays what is basically the 5 when they go to a small lineup and still rebounds and defends well. I keep hearing that his younger brother is so much better than him. He must be damn good then.

Also from a couple posts ago, former Bucks great Jon Leuer is another UW player currently in the NBA.

[Johnlac1]

Hauser has really been good thus far. Plays what is basically the 5 when they go to a small lineup and still rebounds and defends well. I keep hearing that his younger brother is so much better than him. He must be damn good then.

Also from a couple posts ago, former Bucks great Jon Leuer is another UW player currently in the NBA.

Joey Hauser was listed as 6'8 as a soph last year, so he has a chance to add an inch or two. If he's around 6'10 by the time he's a senior, he'll have a lot more schools bidding for him. He already has a good number. Listed as 36th in the country in his class.

[Thunder Muscle]

https://marquettewire.org/3961974/sports/sandy-cohen-moves-on/

Seemed a bit entitled to playing time. Sometimes you do have to earn it.

I think he could be a good fit in GB but if they only get him a half year, meh.