Hayward Undecided

Gomes3PC · Post #41 » by **Gomes3PC** » Wed May 10, 2017 7:54 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Hayward becomes the new king in new england the minute he signs. Thats a lot better than prince in utah.

Did Tom Brady die overnight and I'm not aware of it?

Romeiro Celtic · Post #42 » by **Romeiro Celtic** » Wed May 10, 2017 8:17 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Hayward becomes the new king in new england the minute he signs. Thats a lot better than prince in utah.

LOL, Tom Brady still playing, guess he'll be the king in NE until he retires, not even LeBron could take his crown if he came playing for the Celtics.

Ben-N1ce · Post #43 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Wed May 10, 2017 8:31 pm

In pipe dream world is it possible to land him. Then flip players for say a Butler too?

pasfru · Post #44 » by **pasfru** » Wed May 10, 2017 8:36 pm

Well, of course he's opting out. No reason not to.

I think it's more of a question of whether he's signing a 1+1 or 3+1 deal. The former is insurance in case he's eligible for the super max next year. The latter allows him to opt out the day he becomes eligible for the 10-year vet max (which is basically the super max minus the All-NBA requirements).

Either way, it's good for us. The Jazz won't have that extra fifth year to entice him with and we get a better shot at signing him.

watsonthedragon · Post #45 » by **watsonthedragon** » Wed May 10, 2017 8:48 pm

Do you guys think a lineup of IT-Hayward-PG/Butler-Horford-Center(Zizic?!) could realistically compete with Cleveland?

klemen4 · Post #46 » by **klemen4** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:00 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:Do you guys think a lineup of IT-Hayward-PG/Butler-Horford-Center(Zizic?!) could realistically compete with Cleveland?

No doubt, you are talking of 3 allstars in their prime+ former alstar Horford...at center spot any veteran bigman would be ok...with Zizic slowly getting used to NBA.

We could beat CLE, but probably still not be good enough to beat GSW...would depend on improvement of our young bench in years to come.

Post #47 » by **Slartibartfast** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:13 pm

klemen4 wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Do you guys think a lineup of IT-Hayward-PG/Butler-Horford-Center(Zizic?!) could realistically compete with Cleveland?

No doubt, you are talking of 3 allstars in their prime+ former alstar Horford...at center spot any veteran bigman would be ok...with Zizic slowly getting used to NBA.

We could beat CLE, but probably still not be good enough to beat GSW...would depend on improvement of our young bench in years to come.

Amazingly still a 5th starter problem with that group. Probably better served to go small to maximize spacing and retain Al's diminishing quickness advantages.

Homerclease · Post #48 » by **Homerclease** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:17 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
klemen4 wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Do you guys think a lineup of IT-Hayward-PG/Butler-Horford-Center(Zizic?!) could realistically compete with Cleveland?

No doubt, you are talking of 3 allstars in their prime+ former alstar Horford...at center spot any veteran bigman would be ok...with Zizic slowly getting used to NBA.

We could beat CLE, but probably still not be good enough to beat GSW...would depend on improvement of our young bench in years to come.

Amazingly still a 5th starter problem with that group. Probably better served to go small to maximize spacing and retain Al's diminishing quickness advantages.

If you shove all in like that though, you can find a veteran ring chaser to fill out your roster. You can nab a Zaza or West caliber guy for the vet min fairly easily

Tyakack · Post #49 » by **Tyakack** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:18 pm

AKA, I'm opting out but not ready to announce it.

OFWGKTA · Post #50 » by **OFWGKTA** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:21 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
klemen4 wrote:
No doubt, you are talking of 3 allstars in their prime+ former alstar Horford...at center spot any veteran bigman would be ok...with Zizic slowly getting used to NBA.

We could beat CLE, but probably still not be good enough to beat GSW...would depend on improvement of our young bench in years to come.

Amazingly still a 5th starter problem with that group. Probably better served to go small to maximize spacing and retain Al's diminishing quickness advantages.

If you shove all in like that though, you can find a veteran ring chaser to fill out your roster. You can nab a Zaza or West caliber guy for the vet min fairly easily

The dream is Zach Randolph as far as ring chasers go

Homerclease · Post #51 » by **Homerclease** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:26 pm

OFWGKTA wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Amazingly still a 5th starter problem with that group. Probably better served to go small to maximize spacing and retain Al's diminishing quickness advantages.

If you shove all in like that though, you can find a veteran ring chaser to fill out your roster. You can nab a Zaza or West caliber guy for the vet min fairly easily

The dream is Zach Randolph as far as ring chasers go

Z-Bo on the vet min would be a steal. Guy can certainly still go in a limited role

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #52 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:48 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:
LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Hayward becomes the new king in new england the minute he signs. Thats a lot better than prince in utah.

Did Tom Brady die overnight and I'm not aware of it?

Bill is only keeping him on the roster to help recruit hayward, duh

reload141 · Post #53 » by **reload141** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:11 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Hayward becomes the new king in new england the minute he signs. Thats a lot better than prince in utah.

Did Tom Brady die overnight and I'm not aware of it?

Bill is only keeping him on the roster to help recruit hayward, duh

LBF going to drop some insider info on this? :wink:

Post #54 » by **Darth Celtic** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:16 pm

Sign him, sign Zizic and yabu. Trade pieces and future picks for another all star. Draft another young stud. People mad that J Brown for not averaging 15 ppg at age 20. Look at Haywards career path. His rookie year he averaged less ppg in about the same amount of min per game on a team that won a lot less games. That's why we aren't trading our assets for more picks. You have to wait 4-5 years to hope they may be a star.

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #55 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:32 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:Sign him, sign Zizic and yabu. Trade pieces and future picks for another all star. Draft another young stud. People mad that J Brown for not averaging 15 ppg at age 20. Look at Haywards career path. His rookie year he averaged less ppg in about the same amount of min per game on a team that won a lot less games. That's why we aren't trading our assets for more picks. You have to wait 4-5 years to hope they may be a star.

This post x1000000000

BannerStatus · Post #56 » by **BannerStatus** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:40 pm

klemen4 wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Do you guys think a lineup of IT-Hayward-PG/Butler-Horford-Center(Zizic?!) could realistically compete with Cleveland?

No doubt, you are talking of 3 allstars in their prime+ former alstar Horford...at center spot any veteran bigman would be ok...with Zizic slowly getting used to NBA.

We could beat CLE, but probably still not be good enough to beat GSW...would depend on improvement of our young bench in years to come.

I absolutely believe so. And if the bench was ++ I might give us the advantage.

derblitzenator · Post #57 » by **derblitzenator** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:44 pm

Here's a good summary of Hayward's 5 contract options. There is one scenario that has him opt in that gives him the most amount of guaranteed money overall, but only if he makes an all-NBA team.

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=42729511&nid=304

Post #58 » by **Darth Celtic** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:48 pm

Well, LBJ took less money to play with his buddies. Maybe he takes less to play with his coach.

rickrolled · Post #59 » by **rickrolled** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:58 pm

He'll be a Celtic this summer, the surest thing I know of.

Add Fultz in the draft and we're super small. Wont need/have to make decision on Bradley/Crowder until deadline or in the summer of 18'.

jmr07019 · Post #60 » by **jmr07019** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:14 am

IT - Bradley - Hayward - Crowder - Horford
Rosier - Smart - Brown - josh Jackson - yabu - Zizic