Training camp 2017

[Stratmaster]

On the Fred situation, it seemed Fred was pretty demoralized by the whole situation the alts couple of seasons. He better step up this season with some enthusiasm and energy. I'm rooting for him; however, the last 2 seasons have made me wary. The one thing he and we absolutely need is for this team to show some excitement and fire. We know they are going to lose...a lot. He has to get them all to buy in that the losing is just the first step in them being young pieces on an eventual contender. If we start seeing heads hanging and lack of effort once they are...oh...say 10-40 after the first 50 games... we have to look at Fred.

[rowseyna]

Dunn/Grant/Payne/Arcidiacono
LaVine/Holiday/Nwaba/Blakeney
Zipser/Valentine/Pondexter/Eddie
Mirotic/Portis/Markkanen/Johnson
Lopez/Felicio/Stone

[KeithBoothfan]

On the Fred situation, it seemed Fred was pretty demoralized by the whole situation the alts couple of seasons. He better step up this season with some enthusiasm and energy. I'm rooting for him; however, the last 2 seasons have made me wary. The one thing he and we absolutely need is for this team to show some excitement and fire. We know they are going to lose...a lot. He has to get them all to buy in that the losing is just the first step in them being young pieces on an eventual contender. If we start seeing heads hanging and lack of effort once they are...oh...say 10-40 after the first 50 games... we have to look at Fred.

Agreed, he needs to pass the Brett Brown test. That guy had laughably young and overmatched 76ers teams playing hard all season, when he and everyone in the organization knew they could play near-perfect basketball and still lose by 15 to the better teams. And he's been rewarded with the chance to coach a real team starting this year (assuming Simmons and Embiid can be healthy for at least most of the season).

Hoiberg isn't from the Popovich coaching tree and his teams haven't been paragons of all-out effort so far, but he has a chance with this group to get the roster to buy in and really play for him.

[molepharmer]

Oh God...not falling for this stuff again.
We'll see what he looks like when he plays.

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I'm a Bulls fan that's seem two all stars career get derailed in recent years due to one injuries.
I'm hoping for the best, but not going to fall for the talk when these things were also said about Rose and to an extent Noah...

Sure didn't seem to have dampened the desire of many here for wanting to draft DSJ.

And I'm excited for the season, to watch some youth play an uptempo pace. Dunn strikes me as a player who is going to be in an opponent's face from tip off. Need that aggressive style from the PG to set the tone. Fingers crossed that it keeps the Bulls playing with an edge.

[nomorezorro]

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[FriedRise]

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[rowseyna]

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can someone convince me that mirotic putting on weight is actually a good thing

Think about the Nikola Mirotic you've known as a Chicago Bull. The guy is an undeniably talented shooter who has good height and some offensive skill beyond just shooting. Now consider his greatest weakness, guarding bigger, stronger, heavier players. Adding weight shouldn't negatively affect his shooting ability and should help his overall offensive repertoire by adding to his post game/ability. At the same time, adding weight/strength should help him guard larger, heavier players. I think it's pretty obviously a good thing and am having a hard time figuring out how it could be a bad thing.

[nomorezorro]

i don't think strength is the thing preventing niko from being a capable post player. even when he gets a mismatch against a small guard, he doesn't seem to be able to exploit it.

on the defensive end, getting stronger will help in the post, for sure, but there are also drawbacks for being slower when defenses are so switch-heavy nowadays. and he's already pretty adequate on that end, so i dunno.

i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, but looking at niko's flaws i didn't really think strength was one of the main things holding him back. i hope i'm wrong!

[RedBulls23]

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Btw, how you can attach gifs or can you even in this board?

I'm a Bulls fan that's seem two all stars career get derailed in recent years due to one injuries.
I'm hoping for the best, but not going to fall for the talk when these things were also said about Rose and to an extent Noah...

Sure didn't seem to have dampened the desire of many here for wanting to draft DSJ.

And I'm excited for the season, to watch some youth play an uptempo pace. Dunn strikes me as a player who is going to be in an opponent's face from tip off. Need that aggressive style from the PG to set the tone. Fingers crossed that it keeps the Bulls playing with an edge.

I didn't have an opinion on DSJ.

He had a great summer league, but I don't put stock in summer league.

[Habs72]

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can someone convince me that mirotic putting on weight is actually a good thing

Think about the Nikola Mirotic you've known as a Chicago Bull. The guy is an undeniably talented shooter who has good height and some offensive skill beyond just shooting. Now consider his greatest weakness, guarding bigger, stronger, heavier players. Adding weight shouldn't negatively affect his shooting ability and should help his overall offensive repertoire by adding to his post game/ability. At the same time, adding weight/strength should help him guard larger, heavier players. I think it's pretty obviously a good thing and am having a hard time figuring out how it could be a bad thing.

Weight isnt necessarily a same thing than strength. Too much weight can make you sluggish and stiff and it can affect on your shot aswell. 23 pounds?!?! Did he ate pizza and burgers and drank beer the whole summer ??

[NDave79]

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I hear what you are saying. IMO, ideally for a player like Niko, the goal would be to add as much strength as possible, but try and not bulk up much. His quickness is a key attribute for him. Hopefully, his added weight doesn't slow him down much. It does sound like this is something the Bulls wanted. Here is a tweet from KC Johnson this summer.

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[Habs72]

Think about yourself adding 10% of your total weight in one summer....

[rowseyna]

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can someone convince me that mirotic putting on weight is actually a good thing

Think about the Nikola Mirotic you've known as a Chicago Bull. The guy is an undeniably talented shooter who has good height and some offensive skill beyond just shooting. Now consider his greatest weakness, guarding bigger, stronger, heavier players. Adding weight shouldn't negatively affect his shooting ability and should help his overall offensive repertoire by adding to his post game/ability. At the same time, adding weight/strength should help him guard larger, heavier players. I think it's pretty obviously a good thing and am having a hard time figuring out how it could be a bad thing.

Weight isnt necessarily a same thing than strength. Too much weight can make you sluggish and stiff and it can affect on your shot aswell. 23 pounds?!?! Did he ate pizza and burgers and drank beer the whole summer ??

I'm going to assume the added weight is mostly muscle and his strength is increased. I doubt Nikola Mirotic ate pizza and burgers all summer...

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Good thing he's playing against a lock down defender.

[Habs72]

Think about the Nikola Mirotic you've known as a Chicago Bull. The guy is an undeniably talented shooter who has good height and some offensive skill beyond just shooting. Now consider his greatest weakness, guarding bigger, stronger, heavier players. Adding weight shouldn't negatively affect his shooting ability and should help his overall offensive repertoire by adding to his post game/ability. At the same time, adding weight/strength should help him guard larger, heavier players. I think it's pretty obviously a good thing and am having a hard time figuring out how it could be a bad thing.

Weight isnt necessarily a same thing than strength. Too much weight can make you sluggish and stiff and it can affect on your shot aswell. 23 pounds?!?! Did he ate pizza and burgers and drank beer the whole summer ??

I'm going to assume the added weight is mostly muscle and his strength is increased. I doubt Nikola Mirotic ate pizza and burgers all summer...

Tbh at least he dont look fat on the back side ...dunno what he hides on the belly side though .

[KeithBoothfan]

Weight isnt necessarily a same thing than strength. Too much weight can make you sluggish and stiff and it can affect on your shot aswell. 23 pounds?!?! Did he ate pizza and burgers and drank beer the whole summer ??

I'm going to assume the added weight is mostly muscle and his strength is increased. I doubt Nikola Mirotic ate pizza and burgers all summer...

Tbh at least he dont look fat on the back side ...dunno what he hides on the belly side though .

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[Stratmaster]

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can someone convince me that mirotic putting on weight is actually a good thing

Think about the Nikola Mirotic you've known as a Chicago Bull. The guy is an undeniably talented shooter who has good height and some offensive skill beyond just shooting. Now consider his greatest weakness, guarding bigger, stronger, heavier players. Adding weight shouldn't negatively affect his shooting ability and should help his overall offensive repertoire by adding to his post game/ability. At the same time, adding weight/strength should help him guard larger, heavier players. I think it's pretty obviously a good thing and am having a hard time figuring out how it could be a bad thing.

Yep....i mean as long as it isn't 23 pounds of a spare tire around the belly it has to be a good thing. 23 pounds of muscle should not slow him down. The extra strength should offset the added bulk.

[Stratmaster]

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can someone convince me that mirotic putting on weight is actually a good thing

Think about the Nikola Mirotic you've known as a Chicago Bull. The guy is an undeniably talented shooter who has good height and some offensive skill beyond just shooting. Now consider his greatest weakness, guarding bigger, stronger, heavier players. Adding weight shouldn't negatively affect his shooting ability and should help his overall offensive repertoire by adding to his post game/ability. At the same time, adding weight/strength should help him guard larger, heavier players. I think it's pretty obviously a good thing and am having a hard time figuring out how it could be a bad thing.

Weight isnt necessarily a same thing than strength. Too much weight can make you sluggish and stiff and it can affect on your shot aswell. 23 pounds?!?! Did he ate pizza and burgers and drank beer the whole summer ??

We have been posting vids of his workouts etc. Have you seen the workouts he has been doing for his middle body strength?

[Stratmaster]

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can someone convince me that mirotic putting on weight is actually a good thing

I hear what you are saying. IMO, ideally for a player like Niko, the goal would be to add as much strength as possible, but try and not bulk up much. His quickness is a key attribute for him. Hopefully, his added weight doesn't slow him down much. It does sound like this is something the Bulls wanted. Here is a tweet from KC Johnson this summer.

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Let's also keep in mind that if he is 260 to start the season he likely will be...what...250 by the middle of it? Actually, that is a good question I will have to look into. How much weight does an average NBA player lose during the course of a season?

[Habs72]

Think about the Nikola Mirotic you've known as a Chicago Bull. The guy is an undeniably talented shooter who has good height and some offensive skill beyond just shooting. Now consider his greatest weakness, guarding bigger, stronger, heavier players. Adding weight shouldn't negatively affect his shooting ability and should help his overall offensive repertoire by adding to his post game/ability. At the same time, adding weight/strength should help him guard larger, heavier players. I think it's pretty obviously a good thing and am having a hard time figuring out how it could be a bad thing.

Weight isnt necessarily a same thing than strength. Too much weight can make you sluggish and stiff and it can affect on your shot aswell. 23 pounds?!?! Did he ate pizza and burgers and drank beer the whole summer ??

We have been posting vids of his workouts etc. Have you seen the workouts he has been doing for his middle body strength?

Yea i have seen them, 10% of bodyweight is a lot to gain too over a summer. And i really wasnt serious about that pizza&beer thing .