Season Preview: OKC Thunder: Seed Prediction....

[bondom34]

I don't see what's hard to understand here. Melo was a bad defender. He always has been. Roberson is the most important defender on OKC. Westbrook the most important overall and by far offensively. If you remove either you're in some trouble, with one of the two you can skate by. And using the Favors example was just laughable because Melo was targeted specifically by Utah in that series, they literally admit it. You're actually saying the coaches, players, and analysts are all lying in an attempt to do whatever this is. I mean heck

https://sports.yahoo.com/rockets-hunted-carmelo-anthony-thats-going-problem-thunder-205514471.html

There’s a reason Anthony ranks in just the 13th percentile in points allowed per possession when defending pick-and-roll ball-handlers, and only the 23rd percentile against roll men, according to Synergy Sports Technology’s game-tracking data. He just doesn’t have the lateral quickness anymore to consistently hold up in coverage when an opponent puts him to work in space.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-playoffs-2018-thunder-must-bench-carmelo-anthony-in-game-6-with-their-season-on-the-line/

Thunder fans are familiar with this, having seen teams aggressively seek out Anthony in pick-and-roll situations all season long. Anthony simply should never asked to contain quick guards like Donovan Mitchell under any circumstance.

There are only two reasonable arguments for keeping Anthony in the starting lineup and playing him major minutes. You are either hoping that he will catch fire at the right time or you are worried about the politics of benching a 10-time All-Star. The former seems unlikely given that he has basically been a more shot-happy Jeff Green lately, and the latter should not matter when the season is on the line.

Among many many others.

Edit: And if you'd really like:

https://stats.nba.com/impact/advanced/#!?LineupIDs=202324&VsLineupIDs=2546&TeamID=1610612762&VsTeamID=1610612760&SeasonType=Playoffs&Season=2017-18

Utah was a +18.9 when Favors and Melo were on court.

OKC was a +5.2 when Favors was on without Melo.

No, Melo wasn't an issue at all. He was holding Favors down.

[FoundANewSlant]

difference is I have no problem admitting Melo is a bad defender

but OKC fans make it as if Melo was the sole problem last season and Favors kept destroying him when I showed 30% of Favors' total points in the series in his best game alone came at no fault from Melo while his teammates are the ones putting him in vulnerable situations. that's just the breakdown from one game and you can find similar situations in the other 5

Otherwise explain to me how it's Melo's fault when Westbrook is going over screens to chase elite 3PT shooter Rubio off the line and Melo is forced to help contain the drive while Favors gets an open roll. Or why it's Melo's fault when Jerebko is beating Westbrook in a foot race in the open court and Melo is the one left guarding Favors and Jerebko getting a wide open layup. Or why it's Melo's fault when Westbrook and Adams are trapping Rubio at the 3PT line, letting Gobert slip the pick, leaving Melo to defend Gobert and Favors going at him 2v1. and you can bet all these situations hurt Melo's defensive stats when none of the above was his fault in the first place

[bondom34]

Westbrook's been discussed plenty. I feel like a strawman has been built that's being blown away. And there's a bizarre amount of detail there for someone who is arguing Melo wasn't the reason Favors was going nuts. And for all his faults Westbrook's defensive issues don't have the effect on a team level. RAPM, RPM, on/off, and lineups all have him relatively neutral on that end. Melo is not, and it's not even a close comparison. I've noted a trend in this style and there's a bad use of stats against a certain player and it's pretty obvious.

Spoiler:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

Spoiler:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

And Westbrook and George without Melo being a far better lineup than Westbrook/George/Anthony.

To add, no OKC fans are saying he's the source of all the problems, they're saying he was a good spot up shooter who played no defense and did not a ton else. He was a terrible fit and in Houston can fit in if he reduces his role to a spot up shooter, but still will be played off the floor defensively against the Warriors or any decent playoff team.

Oh and saying Westbrook and Adams are the reason Melo's defensive numbers don't look good not only is laughable but totally ignores that when Melo is subbed out for Grant those same guys aren't going off.

Also "elite 3 point shooter Rubio" isn't a thing.

[FoundANewSlant]

Westbrook's been discussed plenty. I feel like a strawman has been built that's being blown away. And there's a bizarre amount of detail there for someone who is arguing Melo wasn't the reason Favors was going nuts. And for all his faults Westbrook's defensive issues don't have the effect on a team level. RAPM, RPM, on/off, and lineups all have him relatively neutral on that end. Melo is not, and it's not even a close comparison. I've noted a trend in this style and there's a bad use of stats against a certain player and it's pretty obvious.

Spoiler:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

Spoiler:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

And Westbrook and George without Melo being a far better lineup than Westbrook/George/Anthony.

To add, no OKC fans are saying he's the source of all the problems, they're saying he was a good spot up shooter who played no defense and did not a ton else. He was a terrible fit and in Houston can fit in if he reduces his role to a spot up shooter, but still will be played off the floor defensively against the Warriors or any decent playoff team.

Oh and saying Westbrook and Adams are the reason Melo's defensive numbers don't look good not only is laughable but totally ignores that when Melo is subbed out for Grant those same guys aren't going off.

Also "elite 3 point shooter Rubio" isn't a thing.

I can tell all you're doing is quoting stats without the context. Can you break down and separate the stats when the defensive breakdown is actually Melo's fault and those that aren't?

of course elite 3PT shooter Rubio isn't a thing. yet here is Westbrook and Adams giving Rubio the defensive attention like he's Steph Curry, putting Melo in vulnerable positions to get scored on

it's a really simple question that you keep circling around. Why is it Melo's fault when Westbrook is the one going over screens on Rubio? Why is it Melo's fault when Westbrook and Adams are trapping Rubio at the 3PT line?

[bondom34]

Westbrook's been discussed plenty. I feel like a strawman has been built that's being blown away. And there's a bizarre amount of detail there for someone who is arguing Melo wasn't the reason Favors was going nuts. And for all his faults Westbrook's defensive issues don't have the effect on a team level. RAPM, RPM, on/off, and lineups all have him relatively neutral on that end. Melo is not, and it's not even a close comparison. I've noted a trend in this style and there's a bad use of stats against a certain player and it's pretty obvious.

Spoiler:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

Spoiler:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

And Westbrook and George without Melo being a far better lineup than Westbrook/George/Anthony.

To add, no OKC fans are saying he's the source of all the problems, they're saying he was a good spot up shooter who played no defense and did not a ton else. He was a terrible fit and in Houston can fit in if he reduces his role to a spot up shooter, but still will be played off the floor defensively against the Warriors or any decent playoff team.

Oh and saying Westbrook and Adams are the reason Melo's defensive numbers don't look good not only is laughable but totally ignores that when Melo is subbed out for Grant those same guys aren't going off.

Also "elite 3 point shooter Rubio" isn't a thing.

I can tell all you're doing is quoting stats without the context. Can you break down and separate the stats when the defensive breakdown is actually Melo's fault and those that aren't?

of course elite 3PT shooter Rubio isn't a thing. yet here is Westbrook and Adams giving Rubio the defensive attention like he's Steph Curry, putting Melo in vulnerable positions to get scored on

it's a really simple question that you keep circling around. Why is it Melo's fault when Westbrook is the one going over screens on Rubio? Why is it Melo's fault when Westbrook and Adams are trapping Rubio at the 3PT line?

RAPM is regression based and based on how the team defense performs when you're on court with every lineup, so yeah, it covers that. RPM is simlar.

And Melo wasn't in vulnerable positions because of that, he was because Mitchell and Favors or Gobert ran every single PnR against him when he stepped on court.

And nobody is blaming Melo for that. They're blaming him for not being willing to go to the bench when Grant was performing better and was able to defend a PnR like an NBA player. You've made a giant strawman and you're blowing it away.

Edit: Also, if you'd care enough, OKC fans were actually critical all season of the defensive schemes used on 3 point shooters. You can read the subforum for that.

[FoundANewSlant]

Westbrook's been discussed plenty. I feel like a strawman has been built that's being blown away. And there's a bizarre amount of detail there for someone who is arguing Melo wasn't the reason Favors was going nuts. And for all his faults Westbrook's defensive issues don't have the effect on a team level. RAPM, RPM, on/off, and lineups all have him relatively neutral on that end. Melo is not, and it's not even a close comparison. I've noted a trend in this style and there's a bad use of stats against a certain player and it's pretty obvious.

Spoiler:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSzp3G5rwP9xgCgluVGmR3Qj4-BMoGSYiuTKM6o_pzES6s95oQE1nQvB2CXed-4fRc_MMGgpULtDaJ_/pubhtml?gid=1825430955&single=true

Spoiler:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

And Westbrook and George without Melo being a far better lineup than Westbrook/George/Anthony.

To add, no OKC fans are saying he's the source of all the problems, they're saying he was a good spot up shooter who played no defense and did not a ton else. He was a terrible fit and in Houston can fit in if he reduces his role to a spot up shooter, but still will be played off the floor defensively against the Warriors or any decent playoff team.

Oh and saying Westbrook and Adams are the reason Melo's defensive numbers don't look good not only is laughable but totally ignores that when Melo is subbed out for Grant those same guys aren't going off.

Also "elite 3 point shooter Rubio" isn't a thing.

I can tell all you're doing is quoting stats without the context. Can you break down and separate the stats when the defensive breakdown is actually Melo's fault and those that aren't?

of course elite 3PT shooter Rubio isn't a thing. yet here is Westbrook and Adams giving Rubio the defensive attention like he's Steph Curry, putting Melo in vulnerable positions to get scored on

it's a really simple question that you keep circling around. Why is it Melo's fault when Westbrook is the one going over screens on Rubio? Why is it Melo's fault when Westbrook and Adams are trapping Rubio at the 3PT line?

RAPM is regression based and based on how the team defense performs when you're on court with every lineup, so yeah, it covers that. RPM is simlar.

And Melo wasn't in vulnerable positions because of that, he was because Mitchell and Favors or Gobert ran every single PnR against him when he stepped on court.

And nobody is blaming Melo for that. They're blaming him for not being willing to go to the bench when Grant was performing better and was able to defend a PnR like an NBA player. You've made a giant strawman and you're blowing it away.

oh really? so explain to me how Melo isn't put in a vulnerable position here in either of these situations because of Westbrook and Adams treating Rubio like Steph Curry

https://streamable.com/xwvbi

https://streamable.com/7taw8

[bondom34]

I can tell all you're doing is quoting stats without the context. Can you break down and separate the stats when the defensive breakdown is actually Melo's fault and those that aren't?

of course elite 3PT shooter Rubio isn't a thing. yet here is Westbrook and Adams giving Rubio the defensive attention like he's Steph Curry, putting Melo in vulnerable positions to get scored on

it's a really simple question that you keep circling around. Why is it Melo's fault when Westbrook is the one going over screens on Rubio? Why is it Melo's fault when Westbrook and Adams are trapping Rubio at the 3PT line?

RAPM is regression based and based on how the team defense performs when you're on court with every lineup, so yeah, it covers that. RPM is simlar.

And Melo wasn't in vulnerable positions because of that, he was because Mitchell and Favors or Gobert ran every single PnR against him when he stepped on court.

And nobody is blaming Melo for that. They're blaming him for not being willing to go to the bench when Grant was performing better and was able to defend a PnR like an NBA player. You've made a giant strawman and you're blowing it away.

oh really? so explain to me how Melo isn't put in a vulnerable position here in either of these situations because of Westbrook and Adams treating Rubio like Steph Curry

https://streamable.com/xwvbi

https://streamable.com/7taw8

I think you missed my edit.

Also, you keep cherry picking videos. Could you show some of Anthony in a PnR defending it well? Please. I can wait gladly. The guy in the 13th percentile defending it, but apparently he was fine and nobody knew, I guess he can just slip in and replace Ariza for Houston since hes this good defensively.
Edit: That first one he was like half way across the court from his man and didn't recover. He didn't need to help that far.

[dantheman74]

They'll be better with Shroder and without Melo (watch Houston win less with him but still get 2nd) and get 4th seed. I think Spurs in 3rd even after the recent announcements of injuries to Gay and White, the franchise expectations, consistency, and combined with star play from Aldridge and Derozan will get them near the top of the heap again. Spurs may even get 2nd if Houston **** the bed.

[FoundANewSlant]

RAPM is regression based and based on how the team defense performs when you're on court with every lineup, so yeah, it covers that. RPM is simlar.

And Melo wasn't in vulnerable positions because of that, he was because Mitchell and Favors or Gobert ran every single PnR against him when he stepped on court.

And nobody is blaming Melo for that. They're blaming him for not being willing to go to the bench when Grant was performing better and was able to defend a PnR like an NBA player. You've made a giant strawman and you're blowing it away.

oh really? so explain to me how Melo isn't put in a vulnerable position here in either of these situations because of Westbrook and Adams treating Rubio like Steph Curry

https://streamable.com/xwvbi

https://streamable.com/7taw8

I think you missed my edit.

Also, you keep cherry picking videos. Could you show some of Anthony in a PnR defending it well? Please. I can wait gladly. The guy in the 13th percentile defending it, but apparently he was fine and nobody knew, I guess he can just slip in and replace Ariza for Houston since hes this good defensively.

uh huh...cherry picking. OKC fans are the one acting like everything was Melo's fault and you said Melo was never put in vulnerable positions. Yet here is direct evidence and it's called cherry picking now?

https://streamable.com/thwgr

Here's Melo doing exactly what he's supposed to do in the PnR and recovering and contesting the shot perfectly, but Favors had a sliver of space to get a shot open in the first place because Westbrook is giving Rubio the Curry treatment.

[bondom34]

oh really? so explain to me how Melo isn't put in a vulnerable position here in either of these situations because of Westbrook and Adams treating Rubio like Steph Curry

https://streamable.com/xwvbi

https://streamable.com/7taw8

I think you missed my edit.

Also, you keep cherry picking videos. Could you show some of Anthony in a PnR defending it well? Please. I can wait gladly. The guy in the 13th percentile defending it, but apparently he was fine and nobody knew, I guess he can just slip in and replace Ariza for Houston since hes this good defensively.

uh huh...cherry picking. OKC fans are the one acting like everything was Melo's fault and you said Melo was never put in vulnerable positions. Yet here is direct evidence and it's called cherry picking now?

https://streamable.com/thwgr

Here's Melo doing exactly what he's supposed to do in the PnR and recovering and contesting the shot perfectly, but Favors had a sliver of space to get a shot open in the first place because Westbrook is giving Rubio the Curry treatment.

You keep saying OKC fans are doing this, when they're not. He was the biggest issue.And yes, picking 3 random examples, the first of which wasn't even accurate, is cherry picking.

There's areason he was benched. There's a reason the defense was better with Grant.

Please, explain this phenomenon.

[FoundANewSlant]

I think you missed my edit.

Also, you keep cherry picking videos. Could you show some of Anthony in a PnR defending it well? Please. I can wait gladly. The guy in the 13th percentile defending it, but apparently he was fine and nobody knew, I guess he can just slip in and replace Ariza for Houston since hes this good defensively.

uh huh...cherry picking. OKC fans are the one acting like everything was Melo's fault and you said Melo was never put in vulnerable positions. Yet here is direct evidence and it's called cherry picking now?

https://streamable.com/thwgr

Here's Melo doing exactly what he's supposed to do in the PnR and recovering and contesting the shot perfectly, but Favors had a sliver of space to get a shot open in the first place because Westbrook is giving Rubio the Curry treatment.

You keep saying OKC fans are doing this, when they're not. He was the biggest issue.And yes, picking 3 random examples, the first of which wasn't even accurate, is cherry picking.

There's areason he was benched. There's a reason the defense was better with Grant.

Please, explain this phenomenon.

I'm genuinely confused. you just claimed Favors destroyed Melo in the playoffs, Melo was never put in vulnerable position by his teammates, and Melo never defended the PnR properly once. I provide direct clips from the playoff series that prove otherwise, and now you're saying I'm cherry picking and that these clips are random?

you're acting like I'm pulling completely irrelevant clips from regular season games from years ago or something

I'm still waiting for you to simply explain why Westbrook and Adams gave Rubio the Steph Curry treatment and why it's Melo's fault that it resulted in a basket whenever OKC did that

[bondom34]

uh huh...cherry picking. OKC fans are the one acting like everything was Melo's fault and you said Melo was never put in vulnerable positions. Yet here is direct evidence and it's called cherry picking now?

https://streamable.com/thwgr

Here's Melo doing exactly what he's supposed to do in the PnR and recovering and contesting the shot perfectly, but Favors had a sliver of space to get a shot open in the first place because Westbrook is giving Rubio the Curry treatment.

You keep saying OKC fans are doing this, when they're not. He was the biggest issue.And yes, picking 3 random examples, the first of which wasn't even accurate, is cherry picking.

There's areason he was benched. There's a reason the defense was better with Grant.

Please, explain this phenomenon.

I'm genuinely confused. you just claimed Favors destroyed Melo in the playoffs, Melo was never put in vulnerable position by his teammates, and Melo never defended the PnR properly once. I provide direct clips from the playoff series that prove otherwise, and now you're saying I'm cherry picking and that these clips are random?

you're acting like I'm pulling completely irrelevant clips from regular season games from years ago or something

I'm still waiting for you to simply explain why Westbrook and Adams gave Rubio the Steph Curry treatment and why it's Melo's fault that it resulted in a basket whenever OKC did that

I've never said they were great. But they weren't why Melo's man got all those baskets, or were they why the team's defensive rating shot up as soon as he stepped on court.

First using a 6 game sample is bunk but:
For the RS Westbrook and Adams on court with Melo had a 107.0 DRtg. Without Melo it was 104.7.

In the playoffs Westbrook and Adams without Melo were at 98.2 . With him it was 114.8. So believe it or not, I'm struggling to see this being an Adams and Westbrook thing. And you still never addressed PnR because honestly you can't but keep pushing this agenda. I'm done, you can believe what you'd like, maybe Houston will improve defensively with Melo being so great on that end.

Believe it or not, that's really really bad. And that can't be blamed on Westbrook and Adams.

But you do you man, the agenda is clear and the strawman is large. Have a good one.

Edit: and yeah, using 3 clips from a couple games is literally cherry picking. There's a reason ratings are tracked over entire games for every possession and the entire season. Because watching a 10 second clip isn't all encompassing. And it's why Youtube analysis is the worst.

[FoundANewSlant]

You keep saying OKC fans are doing this, when they're not. He was the biggest issue.And yes, picking 3 random examples, the first of which wasn't even accurate, is cherry picking.

There's areason he was benched. There's a reason the defense was better with Grant.

Please, explain this phenomenon.

I'm genuinely confused. you just claimed Favors destroyed Melo in the playoffs, Melo was never put in vulnerable position by his teammates, and Melo never defended the PnR properly once. I provide direct clips from the playoff series that prove otherwise, and now you're saying I'm cherry picking and that these clips are random?

you're acting like I'm pulling completely irrelevant clips from regular season games from years ago or something

I'm still waiting for you to simply explain why Westbrook and Adams gave Rubio the Steph Curry treatment and why it's Melo's fault that it resulted in a basket whenever OKC did that

I've never said they were great. But they weren't why Melo's man got all those baskets, or were they why the team's defensive rating shot up as soon as he stepped on court.

First using a 6 game sample is bunk but:
For the RS Westbrook and Adams on court with Melo had a 107.0 DRtg. Without Melo it was 104.7.

In the playoffs Westbrook and Adams without Melo were at 98.2 . With him it was 114.8. So believe it or not, I'm struggling to see this being an Adams and Westbrook thing. And you still never addressed PnR because honestly you can't but keep pushing this agenda. I'm done, you can believe what you'd like, maybe Houston will improve defensively with Melo being so great on that end.

Believe it or not, that's really really bad. And that can't be blamed on Westbrook and Adams.

But you do you man, the agenda is clear and the strawman is large. Have a good one.

Edit: and yeah, using 3 clips from a couple games is literally cherry picking. There's a reason ratings are tracked over entire games for every possession and the entire season. Because watching a 10 second clip isn't all encompassing. And it's why Youtube analysis is the worst.

I'm sure it's a cliche, but you sound like a classic "stats guys who never played the game"

it's really fundamental defensive flaws exhibited here by Westbrook, PG, and Adams that put Melo into vulnerable positions here yet you can't recognize or explain it. And no, it's not random or scarce. there is plenty of these examples over the series and throughout Westbrook's entire career of his lack of basic defensive principles.

I get Melo is an easy target and scapegoat for OKC's problems, but I'll bet you'll see the same problems again this year.

btw I'm pretty sure I recognize your username on reddit. Aren't you the OKC fan who complains when your comments get downvoted? and then talks about quitting reddit and deleting your account, but still ends up coming back to keep complaining about downvotes? It would seem I'm not the only one who disagrees with your homer takes

[bondom34]

I'm genuinely confused. you just claimed Favors destroyed Melo in the playoffs, Melo was never put in vulnerable position by his teammates, and Melo never defended the PnR properly once. I provide direct clips from the playoff series that prove otherwise, and now you're saying I'm cherry picking and that these clips are random?

you're acting like I'm pulling completely irrelevant clips from regular season games from years ago or something

I'm still waiting for you to simply explain why Westbrook and Adams gave Rubio the Steph Curry treatment and why it's Melo's fault that it resulted in a basket whenever OKC did that

I've never said they were great. But they weren't why Melo's man got all those baskets, or were they why the team's defensive rating shot up as soon as he stepped on court.

First using a 6 game sample is bunk but:
For the RS Westbrook and Adams on court with Melo had a 107.0 DRtg. Without Melo it was 104.7.

In the playoffs Westbrook and Adams without Melo were at 98.2 . With him it was 114.8. So believe it or not, I'm struggling to see this being an Adams and Westbrook thing. And you still never addressed PnR because honestly you can't but keep pushing this agenda. I'm done, you can believe what you'd like, maybe Houston will improve defensively with Melo being so great on that end.

Believe it or not, that's really really bad. And that can't be blamed on Westbrook and Adams.

But you do you man, the agenda is clear and the strawman is large. Have a good one.

Edit: and yeah, using 3 clips from a couple games is literally cherry picking. There's a reason ratings are tracked over entire games for every possession and the entire season. Because watching a 10 second clip isn't all encompassing. And it's why Youtube analysis is the worst.

I'm sure it's a cliche, but you sound like a classic "stats guys who never played the game"

it's really fundamental defensive flaws exhibited here by Westbrook, PG, and Adams that put Melo into vulnerable positions here yet you can't recognize or explain it. And no, it's not random or scarce. there is plenty of these examples over the series and throughout Westbrook's entire career of his lack of basic defensive principles.

I get Melo is an easy target and scapegoat for OKC's problems, but I'll bet you'll see the same problems again this year.

btw I'm pretty sure I recognize your username on reddit. Aren't you the OKC fan who complains when your comments get downvoted? and then talks about quitting reddit and deleting your account, but still ends up coming back to keep complaining about downvotes? It would seem I'm not the only one who disagrees with your homer takes

Oh, you're a reddit guy. That makes sense. And yes, I played.

And please do explain the defense being so much better without him. Please.

Edit: Oh lol now it's PG too.

Yeah you're either trolling or I don't know what. Yes, Paul George was the reason Melo looked bad on defense. That's sig worthy

[FoundANewSlant]

I've never said they were great. But they weren't why Melo's man got all those baskets, or were they why the team's defensive rating shot up as soon as he stepped on court.

First using a 6 game sample is bunk but:
For the RS Westbrook and Adams on court with Melo had a 107.0 DRtg. Without Melo it was 104.7.

In the playoffs Westbrook and Adams without Melo were at 98.2 . With him it was 114.8. So believe it or not, I'm struggling to see this being an Adams and Westbrook thing. And you still never addressed PnR because honestly you can't but keep pushing this agenda. I'm done, you can believe what you'd like, maybe Houston will improve defensively with Melo being so great on that end.

Believe it or not, that's really really bad. And that can't be blamed on Westbrook and Adams.

But you do you man, the agenda is clear and the strawman is large. Have a good one.

Edit: and yeah, using 3 clips from a couple games is literally cherry picking. There's a reason ratings are tracked over entire games for every possession and the entire season. Because watching a 10 second clip isn't all encompassing. And it's why Youtube analysis is the worst.

I'm sure it's a cliche, but you sound like a classic "stats guys who never played the game"

it's really fundamental defensive flaws exhibited here by Westbrook, PG, and Adams that put Melo into vulnerable positions here yet you can't recognize or explain it. And no, it's not random or scarce. there is plenty of these examples over the series and throughout Westbrook's entire career of his lack of basic defensive principles.

I get Melo is an easy target and scapegoat for OKC's problems, but I'll bet you'll see the same problems again this year.

btw I'm pretty sure I recognize your username on reddit. Aren't you the OKC fan who complains when your comments get downvoted? and then talks about quitting reddit and deleting your account, but still ends up coming back to keep complaining about downvotes? It would seem I'm not the only one who disagrees with your homer takes

Oh, you're a reddit guy. That makes sense. And yes, I played.

And please do explain the defense being so much better without him. Please.

Edit: Oh lol now it's PG too.

Yeah you're either trolling or I don't know what. Yes, Paul George was the reason Melo looked bad on defense. That's sig worthy

uhh not sure why that makes sense. you seem to still participate quite a bit on reddit despite constantly complaining about being downvoted

no it's not just PG now, I already showed a few mistakes he made earlier in the thread. so apparently OKC wants to go under screens on Ingles, but over screens on Rubio and somehow that's Melo's fault.

[bondom34]

I'm sure it's a cliche, but you sound like a classic "stats guys who never played the game"

it's really fundamental defensive flaws exhibited here by Westbrook, PG, and Adams that put Melo into vulnerable positions here yet you can't recognize or explain it. And no, it's not random or scarce. there is plenty of these examples over the series and throughout Westbrook's entire career of his lack of basic defensive principles.

I get Melo is an easy target and scapegoat for OKC's problems, but I'll bet you'll see the same problems again this year.

btw I'm pretty sure I recognize your username on reddit. Aren't you the OKC fan who complains when your comments get downvoted? and then talks about quitting reddit and deleting your account, but still ends up coming back to keep complaining about downvotes? It would seem I'm not the only one who disagrees with your homer takes

Oh, you're a reddit guy. That makes sense. And yes, I played.

And please do explain the defense being so much better without him. Please.

Edit: Oh lol now it's PG too.

Yeah you're either trolling or I don't know what. Yes, Paul George was the reason Melo looked bad on defense. That's sig worthy

uhh not sure why that makes sense. you seem to still participate quite a bit on reddit despite constantly complaining about being downvoted

no it's not just PG now, I already showed a few mistakes he made earlier in the thread. so apparently OKC wants to go under screens on Ingles, but over screens on Rubio and somehow that's Melo's fault.

Because reddit shows the same knowledge base you've shown so far here.

And yeah, think I'm about done now, but appreciate the sig. Honestly the worst analysis I've ever seen, and managed to also generalize a fanbase incorrectly and make up stories in the same thread. I'll always have the sig.

[FoundANewSlant]

Oh, you're a reddit guy. That makes sense. And yes, I played.

And please do explain the defense being so much better without him. Please.

Edit: Oh lol now it's PG too.

Yeah you're either trolling or I don't know what. Yes, Paul George was the reason Melo looked bad on defense. That's sig worthy

uhh not sure why that makes sense. you seem to still participate quite a bit on reddit despite constantly complaining about being downvoted

no it's not just PG now, I already showed a few mistakes he made earlier in the thread. so apparently OKC wants to go under screens on Ingles, but over screens on Rubio and somehow that's Melo's fault.

Because reddit shows the same knowledge base you've shown so far here.

And yeah, think I'm about done now, but appreciate the sig. Honestly the worst analysis I've ever seen, and managed to also generalize a fanbase incorrectly and make up stories in the same thread. I'll always have the sig.

ahh the act holier-than-thou as if you're smarter or better than anyone who disagrees with you. that's ironic considering you just generalized a forum with over 1m subs, and I'm not even disagreeing with the terrible takes on reddit either. although it's weird you continue to participate in a sub you claim to dislike so much and which you're clearly so much smarter than

that's fine if you want to take my quotes out of context. why don't you put my clips in your sig too?

[bondom34]

uhh not sure why that makes sense. you seem to still participate quite a bit on reddit despite constantly complaining about being downvoted

no it's not just PG now, I already showed a few mistakes he made earlier in the thread. so apparently OKC wants to go under screens on Ingles, but over screens on Rubio and somehow that's Melo's fault.

Because reddit shows the same knowledge base you've shown so far here.

And yeah, think I'm about done now, but appreciate the sig. Honestly the worst analysis I've ever seen, and managed to also generalize a fanbase incorrectly and make up stories in the same thread. I'll always have the sig.

ahh the act holier-than-thou as if you're smarter or better than anyone who disagrees with you. that's ironic considering you just generalized a forum with over 1m subs, and I'm not even disagreeing with the terrible takes on reddit either. although it's weird you continue to participate in a sub you claim to dislike so much and which you're clearly so much smarter than

that's fine if you want to take my quotes out of context. why don't you put my clips in your sig too?

Don't think I ever said this. But yes, claiming Melo's defense was bad because of players who aren't bad defenders while ignoring it was bad his whole career is something.

Also, I don't really care about reddit. It's great for college football and streaming. And that was a direct quote, but you do you. This isn't productive at this point. Have a good one, I'll just avoid you in the future and let you do your thing.

[FoundANewSlant]

Because reddit shows the same knowledge base you've shown so far here.

And yeah, think I'm about done now, but appreciate the sig. Honestly the worst analysis I've ever seen, and managed to also generalize a fanbase incorrectly and make up stories in the same thread. I'll always have the sig.

ahh the act holier-than-thou as if you're smarter or better than anyone who disagrees with you. that's ironic considering you just generalized a forum with over 1m subs, and I'm not even disagreeing with the terrible takes on reddit either. although it's weird you continue to participate in a sub you claim to dislike so much and which you're clearly so much smarter than

that's fine if you want to take my quotes out of context. why don't you put my clips in your sig too?

Don't think I ever said this. But yes, claiming Melo's defense was bad because of players who aren't bad defenders while ignoring it was bad his whole career is something.

Also, I don't really care about reddit. It's great for college football and streaming. And that was a direct quote, but you do you. This isn't productive at this point. Have a good one, I'll just avoid you in the future and let you do your thing.

quote along with clips to be exact as to why I said what I said. so yes, you are going out of context

no need to be so sensitive over someone disagreeing with you bud. I don't want you to delete your account just because of that like on reddit

[bondom34]

ahh the act holier-than-thou as if you're smarter or better than anyone who disagrees with you. that's ironic considering you just generalized a forum with over 1m subs, and I'm not even disagreeing with the terrible takes on reddit either. although it's weird you continue to participate in a sub you claim to dislike so much and which you're clearly so much smarter than

that's fine if you want to take my quotes out of context. why don't you put my clips in your sig too?

Don't think I ever said this. But yes, claiming Melo's defense was bad because of players who aren't bad defenders while ignoring it was bad his whole career is something.

Also, I don't really care about reddit. It's great for college football and streaming. And that was a direct quote, but you do you. This isn't productive at this point. Have a good one, I'll just avoid you in the future and let you do your thing.

quote along with clips to be exact as to why I said what I said. so yes, you are going out of context

no need to be so sensitive over someone disagreeing with you bud. I don't want you to delete your account just because of that like on reddit

I don't even know what you're talking about, but if you want to go to personal attacks whatever.

his is probably the biggest over-reaction i've ever seen on this website.

FoundANewSlant just said all of OKC's problems weren't just because of Melo, provided context and proof for what he was talking about, and now you're quoting him out of context for what reason?

Just disagree or move on my dude, but i don't think he's said anything that's crazy at all to you. Infact if you want my honest opinion as a by-stander you are the one that seems out to lunch in this discussion.

I never said they were either. So I guess we're agreeing? Feel free to go back, I've specifically said he was NOT the reason for all their problems. I've shown stats along the way. And thanks for the opinion.