Luguentz Dort

[doordoor123]

where is everyone on Dort now? great game tonight, and has now hit 40% from 3 in his last 6 games.

still don't know where I land on him tbh. insanely inconsistent, but goes thru stretches where he's an absolute menace attacking the rim and on defense.

A worse shooting Josh Okogie.

Physical standpoint: Okogie (6-4 207) vs Dort (6-4 215)

Stats:

PTS TRB AST FG% FG3% FT%

Okogie 16.9 5.8 2.0 43.7 38.2 77.7

Dort 16.2 4.4 2.4 40.4 30.6 68.6

I wasn’t a big fan of Okogie, still not really, but I don’t really see the comparison in the way they play. Dort loves contact while Okogie didn’t. Dort is also a better defender with more advanced moves and a thicker body. He’s closer to a more advanced at a younger age David Nwaba for me.

[clyde21]

he's like Rawle Alkins from last year, but better. high end potential is probably somewhere around Victor Oladipo if everything goes right for him.

[clyde21]

bump...thoughts now? legit or no?

[Stillwater]

Had him going 37th to Dallas in my final mock. Definitely was surprised he went udfa.
Definitely as nba ready physically as they come.

[MemphisX]

So many on this board liked him to varying degrees. Must have had some terrible interviews.

[nolang1]

So many on this board liked him to varying degrees. Must have had some terrible interviews.

It's not uncommon for players/agents to prefer going undrafted and having a choice of teams once they fall past a certain point where the guaranteed money isn't that huge. Terence Davis did this as well, and Bol Bol was trying to but the Nuggets gambled on him sight unseen.

[King Ken]

So many on this board liked him to varying degrees. Must have had some terrible interviews.

It's not uncommon for players/agents to prefer going undrafted and having a choice of teams once they fall past a certain point where the guaranteed money isn't that huge. Terence Davis did this as well, and Bol Bol was trying to but the Nuggets gambled on him sight unseen.

Dort and a number of these guys wanted guaranteed money even if they were seen as locks to be drafted. I wasn't high on him at all and didn't realize he was so damn good defensively but OKC is the perfect team for a player like him.

[Ruzious]

bump...thoughts now? legit or no?

I'll be honest - I don't see him as being all that intriguing. He's physically somewhat similar to Smart, but he's got an awfully long way to go to be that kind of player. Very good game last night, but that was primarily because he was an afterthought for the defense. Nice touch on his shot, but his form looks unworkable to me in the long run, and I don't see much skill in his game.

[doordoor123]

I still see Lance Stephenson

[BlazersBroncos]

I still see Lance Stephenson

Lance was a better ballhandler, good enough to be a 2nd unit facilitator. and slightly above average defender I think Dort is going to be a better shooting Tony Allen. He plays with a fire and motor that isnt going to be an anomaly. This kid is a pitbull, the type any good team should want.

Allen finished his career with a DBPM of 1.9, just tremendous for a guard. Lance was 0.5, not bad but not a defensive stopper by any means. I think Dort is on that Tony Allen path, but with a passable 3PT shot (Allen's never averaged over 0.2 3PTM per game in a 13 year career, clearly a liability) . He is unquestionably one of the most exciting guys I have watched play in a long time.

[pcbothwel]

bump...thoughts now? legit or no?

I'll be honest - I don't see him as being all that intriguing. He's physically somewhat similar to Smart, but he's got an awfully long way to go to be that kind of player. Very good game last night, but that was primarily because he was an afterthought for the defense. Nice touch on his shot, but his form looks unworkable to me in the long run, and I don't see much skill in his game.

This... He appears to be a decent/above average defender, but... he cant score/shoot efficiently at all, he doesnt rebound, he doesnt pass/create, and his usage is under 15%....
Someone explain to me how this guy is worth even a discussion.
Lance Stephenson seems like a good comp, but Lance was a much better ball handler, creator, and rebounder.
I see Avery Bradley... mediocre defender that gets overrated and doesnt do anything else on the court particularly well.

[doordoor123]

I still see Lance Stephenson

Lance was a better ballhandler, good enough to be a 2nd unit facilitator. and slightly above average defender I think Dort is going to be a better shooting Tony Allen. He plays with a fire and motor that isnt going to be an anomaly. This kid is a pitbull, the type any good team should want.

Allen finished his career with a DBPM of 1.9, just tremendous for a guard. Lance was 0.5, not bad but not a defensive stopper by any means. I think Dort is on that Tony Allen path, but with a passable 3PT shot (Allen's never averaged over 0.2 3PTM per game in a 13 year career, clearly a liability) . He is unquestionably one of the most exciting guys I have watched play in a long time.

Dort had some good handling moves in college. He just doesn’t have the confidence yet. That isn’t his role. And it was the same for Stephenson when he entered the league.

[ThunderBolt]

Someone explain to me how this guy is worth even a discussion.

Gee, i dont know. Maybe because players don’t peak at 21.

[pcbothwel]

Someone explain to me how this guy is worth even a discussion.

Gee, i dont know. Maybe because players don’t peak at 21.

Umm...yeah...Im aware.
My question is... why is a mediocre prospect with average skills and subpar awareness, that was subpar in college as an older Freshman, went undrafted, and had a bad Rookie year being treated as "Missed Opportunity" prospect that NBA GM's just missed on?

Is it because he had a hot 6 game playoffs with a TS of 45%, more than twice as many turnovers as assist, and fouled 3 times as much as accrued STOCKS (Blocks + Steals)?

Please... explain.

[Stillwater]

Someone explain to me how this guy is worth even a discussion.

Gee, i dont know. Maybe because players don’t peak at 21.

Umm...yeah...Im aware.
My question is... why is a mediocre prospect with average skills and subpar awareness, that was subpar in college as an older Freshman, went undrafted, and had a bad Rookie year being treated as "Missed Opportunity" prospect that NBA GM's just missed on?

Is it because he had a hot 6 game playoffs with a TS of 45%, more than twice as many turnovers as assist, and fouled 3 times as much as accrued STOCKS (Blocks + Steals)?

Please... explain.

I think the attn is because he cause a league MVP candidate to lay a terd

[EvanZ]

bump...thoughts now? legit or no?

He's a legit defender. He clearly needs to keep working on the shot. In a re-draft my guess is he goes around 30 now.

[nolang1]

Gee, i dont know. Maybe because players don’t peak at 21.

Umm...yeah...Im aware.
My question is... why is a mediocre prospect with average skills and subpar awareness, that was subpar in college as an older Freshman, went undrafted, and had a bad Rookie year being treated as "Missed Opportunity" prospect that NBA GM's just missed on?

Is it because he had a hot 6 game playoffs with a TS of 45%, more than twice as many turnovers as assist, and fouled 3 times as much as accrued STOCKS (Blocks + Steals)?

Please... explain.

I think the attn is because he cause a league MVP candidate to lay a terd

Except if you look at Harden’s playoff stats he’s more efficient than he’s been in the last few playoffs, so while you can say he’s better than the average rookie at perimeter defense and can get better, he doesn’t have some unique Harden-stopping ability.

I had him around 25th last year and didn’t see anything this season that would make me move him up. It’s still the same story where his shot and overall feel of the game are a long way from making him a less of a liability on offense than a positive on defense. Even this game 7 three-point barrage only brought him to 26% on the series and was the result of a strategy that clearly limited his teammates, who had to essentially play 4 on 5 when they had the ball.

[BostonCouchGM]

Being an afterthought, he was wide open many times and for one game got hot from three. He's what I thought he'd be, a try hard type every team should have coming off their bench or starting due to injuries. He's going to have a long career. He reminds me of PJ Tucker. I was shocked he didn't get drafted. Goes to show you how many inept front offices there are.

[EvanZ]

Being an afterthought, he was wide open many times and for one game got hot from three. He's what I thought he'd be, a try hard type every team should have coming off their bench or starting due to injuries. He's going to have a long career. He reminds me of PJ Tucker. I was shocked he didn't get drafted. Goes to show you how many inept front offices there are.

Dort’s agent, Chris Emens of Octagon, said entering Thursday two teams with late first-round picks and six with picks in the 30s had strong interest in Dort. In addition, he said they turned down four teams wanting to draft Dort in the mid-to-late second round because they either wanted to draft and stash him overseas or draft him and send him directly to the developmental G League.

As painful as it was, they decided that going undrafted and signing a full two-way contract — which means Dort will split time in the NBA (up to 45 days per season) and G League — was the best option, especially considering Oklahoma City’s reputation for player development.

https://theathletic.com/1040676/2019/06/21/head-scratching-how-did-asus-luguentz-dort-go-undrafted-thursday-night/

[nolang1]

Being an afterthought, he was wide open many times and for one game got hot from three. He's what I thought he'd be, a try hard type every team should have coming off their bench or starting due to injuries. He's going to have a long career. He reminds me of PJ Tucker. I was shocked he didn't get drafted. Goes to show you how many inept front offices there are.

Dort’s agent, Chris Emens of Octagon, said entering Thursday two teams with late first-round picks and six with picks in the 30s had strong interest in Dort. In addition, he said they turned down four teams wanting to draft Dort in the mid-to-late second round because they either wanted to draft and stash him overseas or draft him and send him directly to the developmental G League.

As painful as it was, they decided that going undrafted and signing a full two-way contract — which means Dort will split time in the NBA (up to 45 days per season) and G League — was the best option, especially considering Oklahoma City’s reputation for player development.

https://theathletic.com/1040676/2019/06/21/head-scratching-how-did-asus-luguentz-dort-go-undrafted-thursday-night/

So many on this board liked him to varying degrees. Must have had some terrible interviews.

It's not uncommon for players/agents to prefer going undrafted and having a choice of teams once they fall past a certain point where the guaranteed money isn't that huge. Terence Davis did this as well, and Bol Bol was trying to but the Nuggets gambled on him sight unseen.

I hope people get a better understanding of this kind of stuff or else there’s going to be this exhausting “how did this guy go undrafted?!” kind of talk every single year.

The fact of the matter is the overall talent level is higher than ever before and there are many players in the G league or overseas who are more
or less capable of filling some minor role on an NBA team. Once you get out of the consensus top 20 or so in a draft, you’re looking mostly at borderline NBA players and the situation makes more of a difference.