What is Gersson Rosas doing?

[Da ThRONe]

So not overpaying for a very average backup is a bad thing?

[Shaka_Zulu]

But our roster is much worse right now than the day Rosas took over. That isn't even a debate.

I would like to start that debate. We lost Tyus, Gibson and Saric. We gained Culver, Bell, Vonleh, Nowell and Napier. If Culver is half as good as advertised I think it's an improvement. And we're getting younger. Saric would have been gone next summer anyway so good assett management there.
Taj was just old and too expensive. Tyus will definitely be missed and I blame our previous FO for not extending him for 6 M a year.

I love what Rosas has done and give our off season a B.

Saric will be a RFA in the summer. Why would he be gone? We could have matched any offer.

The Wolves have lost:

Derrick Rose
Taj Gibson
Dario Saric
Tyus Jones

They have added:
Jarrett Culver
A bunch of scrubs

Yup. Way better team.

I'm fine with losing Taj, will miss Rose alot but would been unrealistic to keep, Saric will look to get paid next summer and his shooting was disappointing (do it every time if you move up 5 spots to get bigger talent). Tyus was a good role player but too limited offense, and I will judge losing him after seeing what we will do with saved money next summer.


Losing them isn't as worrying (especially older Taj and Rose) as looking at what we brought in tho. Defenitely needs to do better...

[Da ThRONe]

Wolves should sign Trey Burke. He's the kind of lead guard they need to take a chance on. He'll be super cheap and the least time he was given an offense he performed like an All-Star.

[Tukkerwolf]

But our roster is much worse right now than the day Rosas took over. That isn't even a debate.

I would like to start that debate. We lost Tyus, Gibson and Saric. We gained Culver, Bell, Vonleh, Nowell and Napier. If Culver is half as good as advertised I think it's an improvement. And we're getting younger. Saric would have been gone next summer anyway so good assett management there.
Taj was just old and too expensive. Tyus will definitely be missed and I blame our previous FO for not extending him for 6 M a year.

I love what Rosas has done and give our off season a B.

Saric will be a RFA in the summer. Why would he be gone? We could have matched any offer.

The Wolves have lost:

Derrick Rose
Taj Gibson
Dario Saric
Tyus Jones

They have added:
Jarrett Culver
A bunch of scrubs

Yup. Way better team.

Because he would have been too expensive. Certainly in your roster with Tyus and Taj...
But if you start calling players like Vonleh, Bell and Layman scrubs while mentioning Rose as the opposiye I know you're not discussing in good faith so I am out of this topic.

[Klomp]

Saric will be a RFA in the summer. Why would he be gone? We could have matched any offer.

Because the staff had the foresight to realize they probably didn't want to match an offer of $10-15 million/year that he'll likely get.

[jpatrick]

Thibs put this team in a horrible position. Even if we had brought back all our free agents, the Wolves are a lotto team, just with a much more bloated payroll. Rosas is taking reasonable gambles, not all paying off, but these are the types of swings you want your GM to make. He knows you don’t win in this league with Tyus Jones, you do with all star-type players. He’s trying to get us some financial flexibility, so we’re not quite so limited when we have a shot at one.

Plus, KAT has five more years in that contract. We can do things the right way, not rush it by overpaying for a very average backup PG.

[Sulico]

They got Jake Layman who can be one of the most improved players this year. That's not too bad. They are still young with a bright future. If they keep Wiggins, maybe he can be much better this year after disappointment last year.

They should try to trade for Westbrook, they have the pieces.

If they keep Wiggins? What choice do they have? It's not like he's tradable.

[Mich3006]

He should´ve been more aggressive on Garland or Russell IMO.
Don´t like a Westbrook trade but he would be a solid fit if the Wolves won´t gut their team.

[alabamawolf]

Didn’t Rosas get hired after the season? Once Jones was set to become a RFA? Not his fault Jones didn’t get moved before the deadline. Once he hits RFA, he’s no longer an asset.

Having him under a reasonable contract makes him an asset.

At that contract he’s no more than salary filler in a trade.

[AssistRubio]

Didn’t Rosas get hired after the season? Once Jones was set to become a RFA? Not his fault Jones didn’t get moved before the deadline. Once he hits RFA, he’s no longer an asset.

Having him under a reasonable contract makes him an asset.

At that contract he’s no more than salary filler in a trade.

You are assuming he is not going to get any better. And if he doesn't, $9 mill is about what he's worth in today's NBA. There is nothing wrong with the contract and he could be easily moved at anytime.

[alabamawolf]

Having him under a reasonable contract makes him an asset.

At that contract he’s no more than salary filler in a trade.

You are assuming he is not going to get any better. And if he doesn't, $9 mill is about what he's worth in today's NBA. There is nothing wrong with the contract and he could be easily moved at anytime.

Your definition of an asset is different than mine. Tyus isn’t returning a FRP nor does he move the needle in a trade. I know he’s not going to get any bigger and we have 4 years of evidence that points to him being someone that can’t shoot. He’s neutral at best

[AssistRubio]

At that contract he’s no more than salary filler in a trade.

You are assuming he is not going to get any better. And if he doesn't, $9 mill is about what he's worth in today's NBA. There is nothing wrong with the contract and he could be easily moved at anytime.

Your definition of an asset is different than mine. Tyus isn’t returning a FRP nor does he move the needle in a trade. At best he’s neutral

But I am sure in your mind Jordan Bell, Noah Vonleh, Jake Layman, Shabazz Napier and Traveon Graham are.

Another year of playing in an empty arena. Another year of not winning. Rosas instead of using this off season and next to try to improve this team he has gone all in on 2020-2021 season. When the clock is ticking on KAT, I don't see how that is smart.

[vamos]

He literally hasn't done a single thing right since taking over for the Wolves.

He swung and missed on trading up for Garland.
He swung and missed on acquiring D'Angelo Russell. Which in return wasted our entire FA period with not being able to acquire a single meaningful player.
Now just let an asset like Tyus Jones walk for nothing.

What in the world is he doing?

If I'm a Wolves fan the things I worry about are:
1) Wiggins
2) Kat
3) Culture
...
10) Rosas

Wiggins and Kat are the foundation, i dont think the role players are that important until the two foundational pieces really turn a corner. Those guys being motivated and professional and giving consistent elite effort makes 100x the difference that a Tyus Jones vs replacement player can make.

[pootbrah]

Hes looking for needle movers. Great management for a team thats not gonna sniff the playoffs without a huge injection of talent. No injection was available so he didnt make any blunders by wasting assets or money on non needle movers. He instead got Culver who was top 6 on most mocks, giving up 11 and Saric who as previously said didnt want to be there and likely would only fetch a late 1st/early 2nd come the deadlime

[AbeVigodaLive]

He literally hasn't done a single thing right since taking over for the Wolves.

He swung and missed on trading up for Garland.
He swung and missed on acquiring D'Angelo Russell. Which in return wasted our entire FA period with not being able to acquire a single meaningful player.
Now just let an asset like Tyus Jones walk for nothing.

What in the world is he doing?

If I'm a Wolves fan the things I worry about are:
1) Wiggins
2) Kat
3) Culture
...
10) Rosas

Wiggins and Kat are the foundation, i dont think the role players are that important until the two foundational pieces really turn a corner. Those guys being motivated and professional and giving consistent elite effort makes 100x the difference that a Tyus Jones vs replacement player can make.

I'm still amazed why people are still grouping Wiggins and KAT together at this point.

Why?

The two players are nothing alike, and it shows with one look at their pages at basketballreference.com... or by watching one Wolves game.

[alabamawolf]

You are assuming he is not going to get any better. And if he doesn't, $9 mill is about what he's worth in today's NBA. There is nothing wrong with the contract and he could be easily moved at anytime.

Your definition of an asset is different than mine. Tyus isn’t returning a FRP nor does he move the needle in a trade. At best he’s neutral

But I am sure in your mind Jordan Bell, Noah Vonleh, Jake Layman, Shabazz Napier and Traveon Graham are.

Another year of playing in an empty arena. Another year of not winning. Rosas instead of using this off season and next to try to improve this team he has gone all in on 2020-2021 season. When the clock is ticking on KAT, I don't see how that is smart.

Overpaying Tyus isnt going to get the Wolves into the playoffs. Rosas swung for Russell and came up short due to the awful cap situation he was left by Thibs. KAT has 5 years left on his with no player option. They need to maximize the last 3 years of his deal and if it means losing during the first 2 years then so be it. Layman, Vonleh, and Bell don’t move the needle but it doesn’t cripple the future either. They’re low risk with some upside. The Wolves can start building a good basketball culture even if they miss the playoffs just like Brooklyn has done under Marks and Atkinson.

[vamos]

I'm still amazed why people are still grouping Wiggins and KAT together at this point.

Why?

The two players are nothing alike, and it shows with one look at their pages at basketballreference.com... or by watching one Wolves game.

I grouped them because they are easily the two biggest reasons that the team underachieves for its talent level.

Either or both of them going from inconsistent to consistently elite makes way more of a difference than Tyus Jones or fringe roster moves. Getting there feels like another leap forward for KAT, and probably two leaps forward for Wiggins.

Worrying about the new GM seems premature. That's all.

[AirP.]

Thibs put this team in a horrible position. Even if we had brought back all our free agents, the Wolves are a lotto team, just with a much more bloated payroll. Rosas is taking reasonable gambles, not all paying off, but these are the types of swings you want your GM to make. He knows you don’t win in this league with Tyus Jones, you do with all star-type players. He’s trying to get us some financial flexibility, so we’re not quite so limited when we have a shot at one.

Plus, KAT has five more years in that contract. We can do things the right way, not rush it by overpaying for a very average backup PG.

Right, when he tried trading Wiggins to Chicago and Glen Taylor blocked that, that one move stopped Minnesota from having a Teague, LaVine, Butler, Markannan and Towns starting 5 once LaVine was healthy but no.... Taylor said Wiggins was untradable, then went to the media to tell Wiggins a max contract was waiting for him and all he wanted to hear was to have Wiggins say he'd continue to get better.

Maybe, just maybe the reason for the last decade and a half bad luck Minnesota's had is tied to the one variable that hasn't changed that whole time and has the power to decide if players are signed or traded... the owner, Glen Taylor. Even if you want to ignore him pushing his ideas onto the FO, he's the one who hires the FO. Minnesota has an owner problem.

[Poohdini1]

Are Minnesota fans really upset he didn't agree to pay Tyus Jones $8M a year to be a backup?

[Quentin]

He literally hasn't done a single thing right since taking over for the Wolves.

He swung and missed on trading up for Garland.
He swung and missed on acquiring D'Angelo Russell. Which in return wasted our entire FA period with not being able to acquire a single meaningful player.
Now just let an asset like Tyus Jones walk for nothing.

What in the world is he doing?

You have no clue. Rosas is getting the Wolves in a position to be a player in FA next summer and the following summer. Look at the deals he signed, mostly short term. He let Tyus walk because the guy doesn't move the needle and would eat $9M in cap space. Also, he did NOT trade up for Garland. He was interested in Garland at #5 but they wanted #11 and Covington (who's a needle moving player on a friendly deal). That's what has been widely reported. He knew Saric was going to get a bigger cap eating deal next summer and he's another guy that doesn't move the needle. So trading Saric was a win.

Rosas is doing a great job!