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Re: FIBA world cup 

Post#41 » by sully00 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:07 pm

ParticleMan wrote:if we had title aspirations i would be worried about burnout. but given that we've got a new team that needs as much time together as possible, particularly our main guys kemba and the jays and marcus, this is awesome. playing against poirier and theis will also help. too bad about semi, wonder why he is not playing.


Our guys are young as hell and only played 9 playoff games and I feel like they we are all blowouts. Kemba didn't even play in the playoffs. I am good with a two week tournament and some quality structured practice instead of beachside asphalt with dudes trying to make a name for themselves guys are going to be playing either way.
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Re: FIBA world cup 

Post#42 » by sam_I_am » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:37 pm

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Williamson, Beal, Lillard, DeRozan and Harris make it nine players to withdraw from the team this month, along with Lakers forward Anthony Davis, Rockets guards James Harden and Eric Gordon and Trail Blazers guard CJ McCollum.


So how many Celtics makes it?

17 player roster left, 12 make it:

Harrison Barnes
Andre Drummond
Kemba Walker
Kevin Love
Kyle Lowry
Khris Middleton
Myles Turner
Kyle Kuzma
Brook Lopez
Paul Millsap
Jayson Tatum
P.J. Tucker
Donovan Mitchell
Marcus Smart*
Thaddeus Young*
Jaylen Brown*
Julius Randle*

Walker, Lowry, Smart
Mitchell, Brown
Middleton, Tatum, Barnes, Kuzma
Love, Milsap, Tucker, Randle, Young
Drummond, Turner, Lopez

Position wise looks like Smart will make it :) Brown should but based on Walker being a lock and also probably Tatum, no way they take 4 Celtics.

But there is to many of/c...way to many?

So how many Celtics?


Can scratch Love and Lowry off list too. I hope all 4 Celtics make it. Imagine having basketball to really care about in August. It’s going to help make off season fly by.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Re: FIBA world cup 

Post#43 » by djFan71 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:54 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
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klemen4 wrote:
Williamson, Beal, Lillard, DeRozan and Harris make it nine players to withdraw from the team this month, along with Lakers forward Anthony Davis, Rockets guards James Harden and Eric Gordon and Trail Blazers guard CJ McCollum.


So how many Celtics makes it?

17 player roster left, 12 make it:

Harrison Barnes
Andre Drummond
Kemba Walker
Kevin Love
Kyle Lowry
Khris Middleton
Myles Turner
Kyle Kuzma
Brook Lopez
Paul Millsap
Jayson Tatum
P.J. Tucker
Donovan Mitchell
Marcus Smart*
Thaddeus Young*
Jaylen Brown*
Julius Randle*

Walker, Lowry, Smart
Mitchell, Brown
Middleton, Tatum, Barnes, Kuzma
Love, Milsap, Tucker, Randle, Young
Drummond, Turner, Lopez

Position wise looks like Smart will make it :) Brown should but based on Walker being a lock and also probably Tatum, no way they take 4 Celtics.

But there is to many of/c...way to many?

So how many Celtics?

Can scratch Love and Lowry off list too. I hope all 4 Celtics make it. Imagine having basketball to really care about in August. It’s going to help make off season fly by.

They're going to be adding Gordon and Timelord soon at this rate.
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Re: FIBA world cup 

Post#44 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:16 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Caris LeVert just pulled out of FIBA too, this is nuts.

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Just kidding, he wasnt even invited cuz he **** sucks and is overrated as ****

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Re: FIBA world cup 

Post#45 » by sam_I_am » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:23 pm

djFan71 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
Spoiler:
klemen4 wrote:
So how many Celtics makes it?

17 player roster left, 12 make it:

Harrison Barnes
Andre Drummond
Kemba Walker
Kevin Love
Kyle Lowry
Khris Middleton
Myles Turner
Kyle Kuzma
Brook Lopez
Paul Millsap
Jayson Tatum
P.J. Tucker
Donovan Mitchell
Marcus Smart*
Thaddeus Young*
Jaylen Brown*
Julius Randle*

Walker, Lowry, Smart
Mitchell, Brown
Middleton, Tatum, Barnes, Kuzma
Love, Milsap, Tucker, Randle, Young
Drummond, Turner, Lopez

Position wise looks like Smart will make it :) Brown should but based on Walker being a lock and also probably Tatum, no way they take 4 Celtics.

But there is to many of/c...way to many?

So how many Celtics?

Can scratch Love and Lowry off list too. I hope all 4 Celtics make it. Imagine having basketball to really care about in August. It’s going to help make off season fly by.

They're going to be adding Gordon and Timelord soon at this rate.


Was wrong about Lowry. Had thumb surgery but plans to return to team in August.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Re: FIBA world cup 

Post#46 » by Parliament10 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:34 pm

Who didn't drop off of Team USA, besides Kemba?
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Re: FIBA world cup 

Post#47 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:09 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
Spoiler:

Can scratch Love and Lowry off list too. I hope all 4 Celtics make it. Imagine having basketball to really care about in August. It’s going to help make off season fly by.

They're going to be adding Gordon and Timelord soon at this rate.


Was wrong about Lowry. Had thumb surgery but plans to return to team in August.

Just assumed it was old age. My bad too.
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Post#48 » by radcot » Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:48 pm

Notwithstanding that many top tier guys have opted out, having 4 of the 17 players on the FIBA training camp roster speaks well of the Celtics' talent depth.
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Post#49 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:10 am

I love our guys.......but man, if all 4 of them make it, and Team USA loses, we will never hear the end of it. Lol
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Post#50 » by ermocrate » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:49 pm

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ermocrate wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:With all these players dropping out, you might finally see a Team USA with real hierarchy and team composition. I always felt it was silly to throw the top 12-15 players together and make it work. It’s cool in theory, but as we saw with our own Celtics, it’s hard to get players who are used to shooting 18 times a game to adjust down to 7-9 shots a game in limited minutes. Obviously Team USA has been successful in doing this in recent years, but 2002 and 2004 sucked for that reason.

I expect Team USA to perform better than expected because they may be forced to actually use role players and the such.

LeBron was good as a role player, he needed help from the refs but overall was good.


Lebron was coming off a rookie year in 2004 so that makes sense I suppose. That team had Melo, Wade, and Lebron all coming off rookie years, right? That is tough I feel, even for how good they are.

I just feel a Walker/Smart/Middleton/Millsap/Drummond lineup actually provides a lot of balance and hierarchy. Lowry, Mitchell, Brown, Tatum, and Turner off the bench would be awesome too. Clear roles that all players are used to with not a ton of adjustment, imo. Add PJ Tucker and Thad Young to that team, and you have a really, really good team internationally, imo.

Lopez would be pretty good internationally as well actually.

I was talking about the 2016 Olympics team, LBJ hugely deferred to Durant... Anyway I’m not sure the US basketball has enough talent to compete if they leave their elite athletes out. The main problem is that NBA doesn’t respect a lot of B-ball rules and if it’s hard for LBJ to adjust to a properly officiated game go figure how hard it will be for lower tier players. But at the end I will be very happy if the US squad gets the Bronze medal, maybe they decide it’s time to respect the rules more in the NBA.
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Post#51 » by ermocrate » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:50 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I love our guys.......but man, if all 4 of them make it, and Team USA loses, we will never hear the end of it. Lol

I think it will be more about the quitter than our guys...
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Post#52 » by OldCeltics » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:11 pm

No one cares about FIBA. But good for our guys.

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Post#53 » by DarkAzcura » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:32 pm

ermocrate wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
ermocrate wrote:LeBron was good as a role player, he needed help from the refs but overall was good.


Lebron was coming off a rookie year in 2004 so that makes sense I suppose. That team had Melo, Wade, and Lebron all coming off rookie years, right? That is tough I feel, even for how good they are.

I just feel a Walker/Smart/Middleton/Millsap/Drummond lineup actually provides a lot of balance and hierarchy. Lowry, Mitchell, Brown, Tatum, and Turner off the bench would be awesome too. Clear roles that all players are used to with not a ton of adjustment, imo. Add PJ Tucker and Thad Young to that team, and you have a really, really good team internationally, imo.

Lopez would be pretty good internationally as well actually.

I was talking about the 2016 Olympics team, LBJ hugely deferred to Durant... Anyway I’m not sure the US basketball has enough talent to compete if they leave their elite athletes out. The main problem is that NBA doesn’t respect a lot of B-ball rules and if it’s hard for LBJ to adjust to a properly officiated game go figure how hard it will be for lower tier players. But at the end I will be very happy if the US squad gets the Bronze medal, maybe they decide it’s time to respect the rules more in the NBA.


NBA role players (or even just low level stars) do not get the benefit of the whistle like superstars do. I'm not too worried about that adjustment, as I don't think there will be much of one in that regard.

I still feel the biggest adjustment the stars typically have to make is adjusting their actual role. I think if the roster is like this:

Walker
Smart
Middleton
Millsap
Drummond

You have your 3 scorers in Walker, Middleton, and Millsap with clearly defined hierarchy while Smart and Drummond can go do the dirty work which they are best at. It's not like (a small example) when we would ask Wade to be like Smart, which he isn't used to, and the adjustment period can be tough.

Then the bench could be Mitchell, Brown (or Kuzma), Tatum (or Barnes), Young, and Turner. Again, here you generally have a hierarchy with a couple scorers (Mitchell, Kuzma/Brown, and Tatum/Barnes) and two guys who can do some dirty work in Young and Turner. The cohesion should theoretically be better off the bat because you aren't asking players to be anything but themselves.

Add Tucker and Lopez to get to 12, and you have some good leadership as well.
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Post#54 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:13 pm

ermocrate wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I love our guys.......but man, if all 4 of them make it, and Team USA loses, we will never hear the end of it. Lol

I think it will be more about the quitter than our guys...


Let's hope so. It just sucked when Paul Piece was unfairly blamed for 2002 by George Karl.
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Post#55 » by C-West » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:11 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
ermocrate wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I love our guys.......but man, if all 4 of them make it, and Team USA loses, we will never hear the end of it. Lol

I think it will be more about the quitter than our guys...


Let's hope so. It just sucked when Paul Piece was unfairly blamed for 2002 by George Karl.


Paul saved that team a couple times. The selfish one who undermined them was Barron Davis. That was so frustrating.
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Post#56 » by PtruthP34 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:27 am

Pierce was the best player on that team by a mile, but it was horribly constructed for international play with guys like Ben Wallace, Antonio Davis, Andre Miller, etc. Paul put up Jordan-like numbers throughout that tournament but was not yet an established star and got no love from his teammates and coach and they scapegoated him. Miller actually froze him out of most of his last game, which they lost and he was blamed for. He didn’t even play in the final game (which they lost) yet he still got all the blame.

Just one of many examples that made the 2008 redemption story that much sweeter for me, as a Pierce diehard. Now I need to go read that Simmons article...

I hope all of our guys make it because it will make this offseason fly. Cold shooting can kill any team in a tournament, but I think the talent and fit should be fine for this roster.
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Post#57 » by ermocrate » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:47 am

DarkAzcura wrote:
ermocrate wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
Lebron was coming off a rookie year in 2004 so that makes sense I suppose. That team had Melo, Wade, and Lebron all coming off rookie years, right? That is tough I feel, even for how good they are.

I just feel a Walker/Smart/Middleton/Millsap/Drummond lineup actually provides a lot of balance and hierarchy. Lowry, Mitchell, Brown, Tatum, and Turner off the bench would be awesome too. Clear roles that all players are used to with not a ton of adjustment, imo. Add PJ Tucker and Thad Young to that team, and you have a really, really good team internationally, imo.

Lopez would be pretty good internationally as well actually.

I was talking about the 2016 Olympics team, LBJ hugely deferred to Durant... Anyway I’m not sure the US basketball has enough talent to compete if they leave their elite athletes out. The main problem is that NBA doesn’t respect a lot of B-ball rules and if it’s hard for LBJ to adjust to a properly officiated game go figure how hard it will be for lower tier players. But at the end I will be very happy if the US squad gets the Bronze medal, maybe they decide it’s time to respect the rules more in the NBA.


NBA role players (or even just low level stars) do not get the benefit of the whistle like superstars do. I'm not too worried about that adjustment, as I don't think there will be much of one in that regard.

I still feel the biggest adjustment the stars typically have to make is adjusting their actual role. I think if the roster is like this:

Walker
Smart
Middleton
Millsap
Drummond

You have your 3 scorers in Walker, Middleton, and Millsap with clearly defined hierarchy while Smart and Drummond can go do the dirty work which they are best at. It's not like (a small example) when we would ask Wade to be like Smart, which he isn't used to, and the adjustment period can be tough.

Then the bench could be Mitchell, Brown (or Kuzma), Tatum (or Barnes), Young, and Turner. Again, here you generally have a hierarchy with a couple scorers (Mitchell, Kuzma/Brown, and Tatum/Barnes) and two guys who can do some dirty work in Young and Turner. The cohesion should theoretically be better off the bat because you aren't asking players to be anything but themselves.

Add Tucker and Lopez to get to 12, and you have some good leadership as well.

This team would make the PO with like the 6th/7th record, their only possibility to go past the quarterfinals round is to play like a real team and not like a national team.
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Post#58 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:24 pm

Papa Stevens in full support of his boys participating in Team USA / World Cup -- https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2019/07/26/brad-stevens-celtics-team-usa
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Post#59 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:55 pm

I want to watch the games.


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Post#60 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:57 pm

This is good. USA has so many players in this, we don't need our stars. Good for players who want to play.


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