Reason for Dallas Success

[DreamTeam09]

Do we have any picks available to trade or are they still tied up in the Knicks deal for porzingas ??

I think they can trade their 2025 1st. They could also trade pick swaps in the even years.

My guess is they do one of the following:

Use the remainder of the Barnes TPE to take on a player a team wants to dump for tax purposes. Or if they are bold package Lee/THJ for a good player on a really risky contract --- think your Chris Paul/Kevin Love type deals. With the former being more likely than the latter.

This summer they can use the rights to their own pick plus THJ's big then expiring to maybe add a piece, but any really flexibility doesn't being until the summer of 2021 when they can have meaningful cap space and will only have the one pick debt freeing up some assets.

So I don't expect any major moves from Dallas, but back when they were building around Dirk, they never had picks or assets and Donnie and Cuban managed to continually upgrade the talent by taking on bad money--something they did with KP and potentially could do again though Mark hasn't paid tax a single year under the current CBA after paying tons of it under the old one so it's unclear how willing he is too get stupid with the payroll for fear of the repeater.

I'd much rather Klove over CP3 / The Barnes TPE is only 11mill, might as well trade C.Lee if they are gonna use the TPE, so I don't think that is really an option. TPE trades rarely ever happen.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Length is making a coming back. We see this in Philly and LA too.

[mixerball]

did you see the others 3?

did you

[ZB9]

Dallas definitely has a really good shot at the playoffs this season. They have a very versatile roster that can match up with different styles and everyone on the roster can shoot.

[matt6715]

Luka is a budding superstar, Porzingis is a game changer on both sides of the floor and has unlimited upside, and the bench has been really good. Dallas is going to be very good this year

Plus a dedicated front office and Rick Carlisle guiding the ship.

[Woody Allen]

What success?

They got Kristaps Porzingis for free

Um... No.

[giberish]

There's a lot of value (especially for the regular season, not nearly as much for the playoffs) in having a full rotation of quality rotation players. Dallas doesn't have a guy who looks like you'd expect the 3rd best player on a good team to look, but they've got 6 or so guys who could easily be the 5th best player on a good team and a few more guys who could be solid 7-8th men.

That sort of depth is how you make the playoffs. It's how the Nets made the playoffs even with Russell as perhaps a 30-40th best player in the league as their top guy. It's a big part of how the Clippers made the playoffs in the WC - though they also had Gallo as a top-20 or so player and the Lou/Harrell combo as almost a 2nd all-star. Presumably Doncic and KP can provide the extra push above the quality depth to make the WC playoffs as the Clippers had last season.

[matt6715]

The season still hinges completely on KP playing 65+ games. The depth is improved but having a second true offensive weapon is huge compared to last year when it was just Luka and scrubs. KP looks healthy, but he plays a brand of basketball that definitely seems to encourage injury. He's constantly falling down and almost landing on guys etc. when trying to block shots. It frightens me

[Curmudgeon]

Doncic is a generational talent, and they have good role players. KP is just icing on the cake.

[Texas Chuck]

[. TPE trades rarely ever happen.

Yes and no. They happen sometimes just so a team can roll over a new TPE even if they could instead use salary matching. Dallas did this to originally get the huge Barnes TPE for instance. And that's how they brought on Delon Wright.

But mostly they don't get used because they are mostly small or the team with a larger one is too close to the tax. In this case Dallas could use the whole thing and stay under the tax line so it's in play.

I don't know that they will use it, but my guess is they will be looking to before it expires.

[Texas Chuck]

did you see the others 3?

did you

I've seen them all. Do I win something?

Also, while I consider myself a student of the game,I think we all overrate our ability to judge things by our eyetests. We don't really know the plays each team is trying to run or what their defensive scheme calls for at any given time etc....

A lot of times we might think a player had a bad game, but when the coaches grade the film said player grades out high, or conversely a guy might have a hot shooting night and people think he had a great game, but over all he's a major negative(call this the Zach Lavine rule ).

So while its cute to toss around did you watch the game to imply someone else doesn't know what they are talking about, just because one of us did watch the game doesn't always mean we do either. Nothing is a bigger pet peeve for me on this board is a fanbase telling someone because I don't watch 82 games a year their opinion is worthless and theirs is gospel. It doesn't really work that way for the vast majority of us.

[DreamTeam09]

[. TPE trades rarely ever happen.

Yes and no. They happen sometimes just so a team can roll over a new TPE even if they could instead use salary matching. Dallas did this to originally get the huge Barnes TPE for instance. And that's how they brought on Delon Wright.

But mostly they don't get used because they are mostly small or the team with a larger one is too close to the tax. In this case Dallas could use the whole thing and stay under the tax line so it's in play.

I don't know that they will use it, but my guess is they will be looking to before it expires.

What do you think about getting Barnes back, or has that ship sailed with him and cuban not seeing eye to eye??

THJ and Lee should be able to net us Barnes who would probably fit better with the starters, I dislike barnes tho

[Apz]

No thanks to birdcage barnes. And obviously no CP3.

[mixerball]

did you see the others 3?

did you

I've seen them all. Do I win something?

Also, while I consider myself a student of the game,I think we all overrate our ability to judge things by our eyetests. We don't really know the plays each team is trying to run or what their defensive scheme calls for at any given time etc....

A lot of times we might think a player had a bad game, but when the coaches grade the film said player grades out high, or conversely a guy might have a hot shooting night and people think he had a great game, but over all he's a major negative(call this the Zach Lavine rule ).

So while its cute to toss around did you watch the game to imply someone else doesn't know what they are talking about, just because one of us did watch the game doesn't always mean we do either. Nothing is a bigger pet peeve for me on this board is a fanbase telling someone because I don't watch 82 games a year their opinion is worthless and theirs is gospel. It doesn't really work that way for the vast majority of us.

there is another problem... the problem of downplaying every guy on the roster thats not all star talent. the narrative that if you are not a star you are automatically a scrub. we dont need this years 4 games to see that there are some good pieces/good team players on dallas team. we saw it last year.

[Vae Victus]

You can take Gallinari for a FRP and THjr.

I actually proposed this deal.

I wouldn’t even start him.

Brunson Wright
Lee Curry
Luka DFS
Kleber Gallo
KP Powell

DAL doesnt have any FRPs to trade anytime soon, and Gallo isnt worth a future FRP or pick swaps at his age. PHI got ripped hard in the Tobias Harris trade rental, i highly doubt DAL will follow suit on an older player.

I can see an interesting 3 way trade.

DAL trades
Courtney Lee
Boban the Destroyer
Jose Juan Barea (basically cap filler)
2 SRPs

gets
Danilo Gallinari
SRP via LAC

OKC trades
Danilo Gallinari

gets
Courtney Lee (buyout)
Jose Juan Barea
2 SRPs

LAC trades
Cash if needed
Salary filler min player if needed
SRP

get
Boban the Destroyer

OKC if they fall out of the playoffs trade off Gallo for whatever they can get and save a large chunk of money (23mil to 16mil difference in incoming salaries).

DAL gets the best player of the deal and his bird rights. Trades off 2 SRPs and frees up salary on 2021 cap from trading Boban. Losing JJB is sucks due to nostalgia, but the upgrade in Gallo is pretty big. Basically trading 2 useless player 1 player of situational use for 1 good player.

LAC gets Bobi back! Excellent situational player to deploy against certain lineups. He wont play much, but he'll be deployed as needed and hopefully provide an extra edge in the playoffs by being able to throw a different look. Clippers toss DAL a SRP to make up for one they lose (likely a lower one, so basically DAL is trading 1 SRP and 5-10 slots down on the other). Also tosses in cash to grease the wheels if needed.

[spanishninja]

the Denver game showed that they can win even without uber-high usage from KP and Doncic. maybe this can keep up.

[jpengland]

Rick. Carlisle.

[Pan Jia Yuan]

they played vs two of the worst teams in the league and against denver on a back-to-back including fat jokic (he'll look very different in 2-3 months)

not hating here, mavs are "my team" but success wont be the word to describe their 19/20 season, this is still a "process season" and they wont make any serious noise before next season - if (big if) they make some good decisions

mind you, this is a team that hasnt won a playoff series in 8 years, so "success" is a rather vague term to describe anything they do, especially after 4 games into a new season...

[Johnny Firpo]

Who says no in a CP3 for THJR and Lee + a 2nd?

We ain't giving up Giannis until he signs a supermax with the Bucks. Maybe after that we'll try some move, but then again, maybe just get another third piece in 2021.

[Johnny Firpo]

What success?

They got Kristaps Porzingis for free

Um... No.

Call it early success. And yeah, he wasn't free, but he wasn't exactly expensive either. We have some nice protection on the 2023 pick.