Re: DeMar DeRozan Defends Gregg Popovich, Becky Hammon For Standing For Anthem

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Re: DeMar DeRozan Defends Gregg Popovich, Becky Hammon For Standing For Anthem 

Post#41 » by DimesandKnicks » Sat Aug 8, 2020 4:06 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:
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2018C3 wrote:Popovich is the last guy anyone could call a racist. I applaud his decision to stand.

The whole purpose of standing for the national anthem for me personally has been to honor all the veterans who have both gave there life and served in protecting this country. I still feel this way.

Kneeling does not sit well with me, but I do believe that in the USA people should have the right to either stand or kneel. Its a right our Veterans have fought for, and many have died to protect.


The military does not and should not own the flag nor patriotism. The military in fact represents a lot of anti-American ideas and exhibit reprehensible morals.


As a veteran, statements like this genuinely infuriate me. Men and women in the military fight for the right of everyone in the country to protest in a peaceful way. I don’t remember anyone claiming that those in the military own patriotism or the flag, but to claim the current military or veterans represent the worst of things is patently ridiculous and quite frankly offensive.

My brothers-in-arms enlisted to allow others to live in freedom and to me, the flag represents that service and the country that we served. I respect others decision not to stand, as long as it is done so respectfully and for legitimate beliefs, but please don’t criticize us for respecting the flag and what it stands for to us.


Rick, I'm really not trying to be offensive, but what right have you fought for? Which one? When you say you fought for our rights, that isn't just a phrase it actually means something. Which rights from the bill of rights have men and women in the military fought for in the last 100 years? Which Amendment? Name them.
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Re: DeMar DeRozan Defends Gregg Popovich, Becky Hammon For Standing For Anthem 

Post#42 » by DimesandKnicks » Sat Aug 8, 2020 4:24 pm

2018C3 wrote:
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2018C3 wrote:Popovich is the last guy anyone could call a racist. I applaud his decision to stand.

The whole purpose of standing for the national anthem for me personally has been to honor all the veterans who have both gave there life and served in protecting this country. I still feel this way.

Kneeling does not sit well with me, but I do believe that in the USA people should have the right to either stand or kneel. Its a right our Veterans have fought for, and many have died to protect.


Veterans haven't "fought for our rights" since the Civil War. And there were also black veterans who fought in the revolution, Civil War, both world wars and Vietnam only to return to a country where they couldn't vote and could strung up on trees with impunity. Would them kneeling for the flag to promote social justice "sit the wring way with you", or when the dudes at the Olympics raised a fist?

Truly, white america, you need to take a step back and deal with this ckubtries racism. We could probably do it without you. It would take a lot longer though and if evee minorities enter their rulership in this country they will not be kind to your children's chrilden



Tell that to my father who was a vet, and dedicated his entire life work to helping others work though personal problems from people consisting of all races, and was also a psychiatric counselor to a former veteran Black Heavy Weight Boxing Champion.

I would choose to stand for the honor of all veterans, not just the pale ones. We as people in this country need to stop identifying people by race, and learn to treat everyone as a individual human. That is the ideal I stand for!

There will always be a few racists from all nationalities out there who have not been properly exposed, and will hold beliefs that they were taught from a young age. The best thing to do is kill those misplaced beliefs with kindness.

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This guy understands how to make a positive change, and has made a big difference in his personal interactions, We could all learn a thing or two from this very smart wise man.



We should all watch this video, and use these same ideas to build a better future for everyone.

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I have mentioned this before, I grew up in a family where my grandparents were very racist. It was not uncommon for me to here my grandfather call a black person the "N" word. My parents were never on board with that, and brought me up right. When my grandparents got old, they had a black caretaker, and over time there opinion changed. After there black caretaker left them they also had a Filipino caretaker.

When I was a child they did not like anyone who was not white, even Italians were too much. By the time they passed and were exposed to other people who were not the same as themselves, they admitted there former beliefs were wrong.

Just two generations later from there time I now live in a mixed family, and have both African Americans and Asian Americans mixed into our family structure through their grand, and also great grand children.

Any existing racism can easily be killed with exposure, mutual respect, and kind actions.

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I'm not looking for a trophy or anything, But two weekends ago I seen a black man with a flat tire parked at a gas station just a block from my house at around 11:00pm with a busted socket wrench laying next to his tire, I drove back home and returned with a tire iron, and a floor jack and helped the guy change his tire. I would have done this re-regardless of his race, because one time about a year ago someone stopped and helped me in similar situation, It was now my time to return the favor. I'd like to believe little things like this can make a difference in this world.

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Some people here could try and label me all they want for my view points towards solutions. It does not bother me at all because I know who I am, and also know that all people are equal and should be treated that way. It's ok for people to disagree on what is the best solution to a goal.


Your grandfather didn't fight for any American rights. I don't know how him helping people refutes that.

We as people in this country need to stop identifying people by race, and learn to treat everyone as a individual human. That is the ideal I stand for!


That's kind of what we are fighting for. When police see black people, they see 13 percent of a population that commits 50 percent of violent crime. This is an anti-black trope that I guarantee will get you cancelled in within the next ten years. As opposed to seeing that one percent of that 13 percent is being arrested for those crimes, but they aren't treating us as individuals they are treating us as all is if we are that one percent.

Much of our response is about individuals. The issues we are fighting are systemic. The fact of the matter is data implicates this country as discriminating against black people in employment, education, within the judicial system, within housing, banking, healthcare...every single American institution we have has been implicated as being racially bias against black people. I don't know why you would feel it of value to tell us about how you helped a black guy change his tire. There is are group of people in America that gets treated worse than another group of people...and its been happening since we were a British colony.

But there is still resistance because this country is inheriteantly racist, and every statistical metric related to race relations will illustrate that. But some of you chose to talk more about how your offended by kneeling during a **** anthem written by a person who hated black people and included a third verse gleefully celebrating the killing of slaves, than you are the actually racism this country subjects minorities to on a systemic and social level every day. You ever hear black people get on message boards whining about how the anthem is offensive because it was written by a piece of **** racist? Rarely if ever.....

But you have all this opposition from a segment of this country about how we protest racial injustice, as opposed to actually caring about how this country treats the black and brown people you call brothers and sisters.

I read an article about a black woman who went to a hospital for pain in her leg and she wasn't treated because of her symptoms, she got enraged got arrested and died in jail because she had a blood clot. Do you know there is actually data that suggest healthcare professional perceive African American's as having a greater pain tolerance? A white woman wouldn't be treated that way, and if you think she would...not in proportion to our black woman who are treated like that everyday.

I read something else about a woman having her probation revoked because she didn't do her online homework. You don't have to guess what race she is.

I read another story about a black man who was given a **** life sentence from attempting to still hedge clippers. Guess what race he is?

If I told you read stories about someone raping a woman, or molesting a child getting probation or house arrest...gun to your head what race would you guess they are?

Its not up for debate. The data proves it. The fact that we've been marching in the streets telling you guys about how poorly this country treats minorities, should have been enough. When Rodney king got the **** beat out of him by the LAPD and they were all acquitted that should have told you all something. When cell phone footage of the issues started to emerge it still wasn't enough. It took COVID-19 and an 8 minute video of watching someone die for a little progress, and who knows how much of it is just conjecture.

This election we, as black people have a choice between voting for two white men that have said some of the most disrespectful things about black people that I've heard from freaking Presidential candidates than I've heard in my lifetime.

But again, some of you use your platforms, to opine about how people are arguing and damaging property...

Some peoples mentality is it really sucks that black people are getting killed but they don't have to damage property who protest in ways that offend me. This is inhumane, this is narcissistic, egotistical, anti-black, and straight up racist.

The humane mentality, again should be - It really sucks that people are protesting in ways that rub me the wrong way and damage property but it really sucks that black people are still being marginalized in a country that has been brutalizing them for centuries.

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