Thoughts on aggressive pursuit of Fred Van Vleet & Joe Harris/Davis Bertans

[Clyde Frazier]

Warming up to the prospect of FVV with Killian probably being off the board. FVV/Vassell not a bad start to the off-season. Don't want to commit $ to bertans but still in on a big Gallo 1 year deal.

if you can get rid of randle

a FVV and Gallo FA with Vassell in the draft...Bane with 27 and Xavier Tillman at 38 would be ideal!

FVV/Frank
RJ/Bane
Vassel/Bullock
Gallo/Knox
Mitch/Tillman with Taj being a vet leader

I think that team is fighting for the playoffs if RJ takes a jump. There is a ton more spacing for RJ to drive which is great and FVV is a perfect fit next to him because he can be on and off the ball. Just how much are we paying FVV?

Definitely excited to see what they do with 27 and 38. A lot of intriguing guys later in the draft. We'll have to see what the salary cap looks like but i'd be ok with a decent size contract since he's 26 and not pushing 30.

[dakomish23]

Let’s find guys like this by using what their teams did to get them

FVV was an undrafted guy who spent a ton of time his rookie year in the GL.

Harris was a 2nd rd pick who was traded by CLE then waived by ORL. BKN was awful so they gave this guy a shot and played him 20 MPG instead of giving it to a washed up vet.

Bertrans WAS got for free. There are always teams looking to dump serviceable players so they can sign someone.

Will you find this level of players the way their teams did? No guarantee. But how often do we even try? Let’s be ahead of the curve for once instead of mindlessly signing vets to soak up minutes on low potential rosters.

[Fat Kat]

Just stopped by to say Lamar Peters posted better Gleague numbers than FVV. Oh...and free Iggy because he’s better than Knox

[thebuzzardman]

Just stopped by to say Lamar Peters posted better Gleague numbers than FVV. Oh...and free Iggy because he’s better than Knox

Little bit shorter but I think Jared Harper has a shot at the FVV role. Ok, the bench version.

I think the Knicks draft a PG, trade DSJr, Jared Harper wins backup PG, and Frank is retained until the trade deadline as a backup 2,3,1 - 8th guy getting 18 mpg.

Then either he shows improvement and they consider they might resign him, or trade him at the deadline for a low 1st round pick

Oh, and then he hits FA and signs with the Mavs.

[stuporman]

Draft a PG, a 3&D wing and a stretch 4...let the option vets go except for Gibson and Bullock plus bring in Iggy from the Gleague. Let the new development team work with the young guys and see if they can do something with Franl, DSJ, Know and Iggy....oh and the rooks.

Don't use money chasing FAs when the Knicks are still a couple years away from competing and instead use it to rent space and expiring contracts to collect more assets. If you got a chubby so bad for a FA then only go after Harris because it's going to very expensive for the Nets to keep with their repeat luxury tax status since he'll cost them like twice his contract number.

[Fat Kat]

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[nykinoz]

To me, it's pretty obvious this team needs a legit PG and a stretch 4 to run with Frank off the ball at the 2, RJ at 3 and Mitch at 5.

[Jose7]

FVV all in. No brainer addition. Give the light skin brother the bag.

[WargamesX]

Draft a PG, a 3&D wing and a stretch 4...let the option vets go except for Gibson and Bullock plus bring in Iggy from the Gleague. Let the new development team work with the young guys and see if they can do something with Franl, DSJ, Know and Iggy....oh and the rooks.

Don't use money chasing FAs when the Knicks are still a couple years away from competing and instead use it to rent space and expiring contracts to collect more assets. If you got a chubby so bad for a FA then only go after Harris because it's going to very expensive for the Nets to keep with their repeat luxury tax status since he'll cost them like twice his contract number.

I wouldn't mind them adding Jerami Grant. He feels like the type of player who while not a star could be a high level contributor (and trade piece) for most of his next contract.

[sol537]

FVV on a fair deal + Jerami Grant on a fair deal and then draft BPA at all 3 spots. Let's get it.

[Nazrmohamed]

We should absolutely be pursuing those players on the shortest deals they would accept.

They will elevate the team and will be tradeable if needed.

Shooting is hard to find, but it makes everything easier in terms of roster construction.

FVV is also a worthwhile talent on his own.

That's exactly the model we took this yr, and the yr before.

[GONYK]

We should absolutely be pursuing those players on the shortest deals they would accept.

They will elevate the team and will be tradeable if needed.

Shooting is hard to find, but it makes everything easier in terms of roster construction.

FVV is also a worthwhile talent on his own.

That's exactly the model we took this yr, and the yr before.

The model was fine. We just executed it with very sh*tty players.

Doing it with good players that actually fit on the court together will yield better results.

[KnicksGadfly]

Well...we're paying a lot of money for trash players like Randle, Portis, Elfrid, etc. Consolidate a few of those contracts and there you go (but uhh...getting rid of Randle may be hard)

[Oscirus]

FVV on a fair deal + Jerami Grant on a fair deal and then draft BPA at all 3 spots. Let's get it.

If FVV goes anywhere on a fair deal, he'd stay in toronto

[NoStatsGuy]

at some point we need those kind of guys, we are not there yet.

we need a point guard that can run the team. all the shooters in the world dont help, if noone makes plays for them.

we need a core and then add/develop the jor harris' and bertrans' of the world. Now, if these guys are easy to get (which i highly doubt) then might as well get them. but idk about aggressively pursuing them.

so far our core is RJ and mitchell, which is probably the worst core in the league

[mpharris36]

per shams

Toronto Raptors

Raptors championship guard Fred VanVleet is on fire to start the NBA’s Bubble Playoffs: 21.3 points, 7.8 assists and four rebounds per game in the Raptors‘ series sweep over Brooklyn.

VanVleet is a shoe free agent and has multiple suitors for a new deal, sources say. And on the court, expect a strong market for the free-agent-to-be: Detroit, New York and Phoenix are expected to emerge as suitors for VanVleet outside Toronto, sources said.

[Richard4444]

Going to say no on FVV.

I would like to go after Joe Harris and Bertans/Gallinari. Have shooters around RJ who can drive and kickout.

The Rockets have turned random guys into high volume three point shooters on good percentages like Danuel House and Ben McLemore. I would never want to pay for someone like Harris if he wasn't already on my team, Bertans is a better option since he's unique for his size and position, but putting money into Harris is just crazy to me, especially when it's about him or FVV.

Ben was a 7#pick 42% college shooter in 4,7 attempts.

[Richard4444]

I've got zero problems with trying to add FVV and a sharp shooting forward; but with FVV and Joe Harris specifically my skepticism is that their home teams will let them walk. These guys would be leaving good situations and I'm not sure how much we'd have to offer to be so far above what their own teams are willing to pay that they'd leave those winning structures.

Can the raps afford to pay Lowry and FVV half there cap? With Siakam getting a huge salary boost.

That would be $80-$85 MM for 3 players...with Gasol/Serge both FA

And Powell is making $10 million...with a proj $100 cap they were wouldn't really be able to add anyone else. We would have to make it very unattractive to pay FVV...maybe a poisen contract that starts really high and goes down...like somewhere in the $25 MM range per year.

It looks like Raptors want Giannis in 2021. The problem is they can not keep enough cap space to sign him if they pay Fred and the cap stay low due to the pandemic. Perhaps, they offer just a one year contract and Fred seeks a multi-year deal.
Siakam - 31M
OG (Cap Hold) 11,6M
Powell (Cap Hold): 16,6M
Davies (Cap Hold): 2M

I think we could offer something reasonable like 85/4.

[Deeeez Knicks]

FVV looks great and would be an awesome fit. i just worry about the price and if he will look as good on the Knicks.

I would make the call, but expect him to cost too much ($100mil to come here). FVV is not someone I would go all in for and give a blank check too. I am ok with passing on him and being bad another season.

[j4remi]

I've got zero problems with trying to add FVV and a sharp shooting forward; but with FVV and Joe Harris specifically my skepticism is that their home teams will let them walk. These guys would be leaving good situations and I'm not sure how much we'd have to offer to be so far above what their own teams are willing to pay that they'd leave those winning structures.

Can the raps afford to pay Lowry and FVV half there cap? With Siakam getting a huge salary boost.

That would be $80-$85 MM for 3 players...with Gasol/Serge both FA

And Powell is making $10 million...with a proj $100 cap they were wouldn't really be able to add anyone else. We would have to make it very unattractive to pay FVV...maybe a poisen contract that starts really high and goes down...like somewhere in the $25 MM range per year.

It looks like Raptors want Giannis in 2021. The problem is they can not keep enough cap space to sign him if they pay Fred and the cap stay low due to the pandemic. Perhaps, they offer just a one year contract and Fred seeks a multi-year deal.
Siakam - 31M
OG (Cap Hold) 11,6M
Powell (Cap Hold): 16,6M
Davies (Cap Hold): 2M

I think we could offer something reasonable like 85/4.

If we could steal him for 85/4, I'd be happy with that move. FVV and Ingram are the only two names in FA that's I'd get legitimately hype about as opposed to just having some form of cautious hope.