Who would you swap for Dwight Howard in NBA's top 75 All-Time list: AD, Dame or Melo?

illuminati666 · Post #41 » by **illuminati666** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:16 am

Ya, all 3. But for me it's AD, especially bc they both play similar position. Dwight has just accomplished sig more than AD, I don't see the argument for AD being in. His numbers are good, but besides that what does he have?

Pennebaker · Post #42 » by **Pennebaker** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:24 am

Drygon wrote:Today, the full list of NBA's 75th Anniversary Team was announced,

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However, the biggest talking points is Dwight got snubbed while the likes of AD, Dame & Melo got voted in.

All of them are great players in their own right.

But if you was forced to swap out bewteen AD, Dame or Melo for Dwight Howard, who would you choose

I'd take out Dame. He has the shortest list of accomplishments.

Remember, Melo ranks in the top 10 all time in scoring leaders.

Tor_Raps · Post #43 » by **Tor_Raps** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:45 am

Dwight was a friggin beast and should easily been over many guys on this list. AD struggled to make the playoffs and get out of the first round when he did as the man. Also, Dwight > Westbrook/Lillard/Melo off the top of my head

DoItALL9 · Post #44 » by **DoItALL9** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:46 am

I would take out AD

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Tor_Raps · Post #45 » by **Tor_Raps** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:24 am

I just realized that Chris Webber didn't make the list. Someone show that dude some love...

DoctorX · Post #46 » by **DoctorX** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:32 am

Carmelo- He should not have been on the list. Always felt this guy was grossly overrated. He has been a great stat padder throughout his career.

Westbrook- Another overrated stat padder but I knew he would get in simply because he won the league MVP and had the triple double records.

Kawhi- Yes I'm biased and a hater but I doubt he gets in if he didn't lead the Raptors to the '19 title. He will live off of that title for the rest of his career. He's also been injured throughout his career and has missed a lot of games.

AD- Made out of glass and wasn't doing anything until he teamed up with Lebron and won the bubble title. The bubble title got him in but I didn't believe he was deserving.

Rodman- Great role player but shouldn't be on this list.

Roger Murdock · Post #47 » by **Roger Murdock** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:41 am

Melo is the least deserving player IMO. Dame, Rodman, AD and a few others as well. I’d have Howard In over probably 15 guys.

I think Manu and Parker deserve a spot. Maybe Carter and Tmac. Not Ray Allen and Reggie. Dwight biggest snub by far.

BoatsNZones · Post #48 » by **BoatsNZones** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:58 am

Moonbeam wrote:There are a good 9 guys I'd bump from the list over any of them. Davis in particular certainly belongs, IMO.

I'd sooner remove Pete Maravich or Lenny Wilkens.

Lenny Wilkens was my call that I told you deserved to be behind Dame. And he definitely deserves to be behind Dwight. Absurd inclusion (entirely influenced by his coaching career, which should not matter), but what can you do.

0X All NBA 0X Champion Lenny Wilkens through one of the weakest NBA generations is top 75 All Time? Sure pal.

After seeing the USA Today lists that they generously posted, I just hope the majority of you don't take this seriously. Real GM lists are far, far more thought out and relevant. I assure you.

Edit: Want to add that I absolutely can't stand Dwight Howard. But having a guy like Wilkens over him is beyond laughable.

levon · Post #49 » by **levon** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:07 am

some of yall are so mad AD put the Lakers and Lebron back on top

NCAA champ, Olympic gold medalist, FIBA champ, 8x all star, a great playoff resume statistically, NBA champ as a top 5 player (at times best player), led his team in multiple statistical categories, DPOY level defense, 4 All Defense teams, 4 All NBA first teams and all by 27 years old. His inclusion as Top 75 absolutely stands the test of time unless his career abruptly ends tomorrow.

Some of yall aptly point out that that list is littered with legacy guys who don't deserve it. This entire thread is a false premise. If this was an honest exercise, both guys would probably be locks.

also Dame has accomplished virtually nothing besides getting on Paul George's nerves. I like him a lot and I admire his loyalty and hope he breaks through one day, but AD and Melo have had better careers thus far.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #50 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:11 am

It is ridiculous that Dantley and King aren't on this list

JN61 · Post #51 » by **JN61** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:25 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
levon wrote:I'm gonna be a contrarian here and ask what makes Dwight's case strongest? the 3xDPOY? So then I'd ask, would Gobert deserve it?

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Much better what melo has done ..main reason the magic made it to the finals .

Of course and Anthony has superior resume to lillard, miller and Davis for example.

JN61 · Post #52 » by **JN61** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:27 am

Currygoat wrote:
GSP wrote:
Currygoat wrote:
Not really Dwight should have made it but AD is clearly the better player lmao

No hes not and hes done nothing in his career without Bron

Who cares. He could of easily won finals mvp 2 years ago

Even with fmvp he is not over Howard career wise or even peak player wise.

monopoman · Post #53 » by **monopoman** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:28 am

WargamesX wrote:Dame

I don’t know if they should have had any active guys on the list who aren’t shoe ins for the HOF

If you think Dame doesn't have a HoF worthy career you are dreaming.

monopoman · Post #54 » by **monopoman** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:29 am

levon wrote:some of yall are so mad AD put the Lakers and Lebron back on top

NCAA champ, Olympic gold medalist, FIBA champ, 8x all star, a great playoff resume statistically, NBA champ as a top 5 player (at times best player), led his team in multiple statistical categories, DPOY level defense, 4 All Defense teams, 4 All NBA first teams and all by 27 years old. His inclusion as Top 75 absolutely stands the test of time unless his career abruptly ends tomorrow.

Some of yall aptly point out that that list is littered with legacy guys who don't deserve it. This entire thread is a false premise. If this was an honest exercise, both guys would probably be locks.

also Dame has accomplished virtually nothing besides getting on Paul George's nerves. I like him a lot and I admire his loyalty and hope he breaks through one day, but AD and Melo have had better careers thus far.

Yeah, Melo has a glorious playoff record as the #1 option on a team in the NBA, talk about a resume filled with tons of success.

crows2 · Post #55 » by **crows2** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:41 am

Lillard.

TheNewEra · Post #56 » by **TheNewEra** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:44 am

Dame should be nowhere near this list

JN61 · Post #57 » by **JN61** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:29 am

DoctorX wrote:Carmelo- He should not have been on the list. Always felt this guy was grossly overrated. He has been a great stat padder throughout his career.

Westbrook- Another overrated stat padder but I knew he would get in simply because he won the league MVP and had the triple double records.

Kawhi- Yes I'm biased and a hater but I doubt he gets in if he didn't lead the Raptors to the '19 title. He will live off of that title for the rest of his career. He's also been injured throughout his career and has missed a lot of games.

AD- Made out of glass and wasn't doing anything until he teamed up with Lebron and won the bubble title. The bubble title got him in but I didn't believe he was deserving.

Rodman- Great role player but shouldn't be on this list.

We all know you make bad faith arguments here but lets discuss about it:

Anthony:
27.4k points (12th all time, 10th all time in NBA)
7.5k rebounds (97th all time)
3.4k assists
1.2k steals and 600 blocks

10x allstar
6x all nba (2x 2nd team, 4x 3rd team)
1x scoring champ

Westbrook:
22k points (39th all time)
7k rebounds (121th all time, 3rd all time PG)
8.1k assists (12th all time)
1.6k steals /30th all time), 300 blocks

1x MVP (which is considered by the advanced stats as the greatest carry season of all time by an individual player)
9x allstar
9x all nba (2x 1st, 5x 2nd, 2x 3rd)
2x scoring champion
3x assist leader
all time dunk leader on PG spot

Leonard:
11.1k points
3.7k rebounds
1.7k assists
1k steals, <400 blocks

2x FMVP
2x DPOY
2x champion
5x allstar
5x all nba (3x 1st, 2x 2nd)
7x all-defense (3x 1st, 4x 2nd)

Davis:
I won't argue with Davis. I don't think he should have made it...

Rodman:
6.7k points
12k rebounds (24th all time)
1.6k assists
600 stl, 500 blocks

2x DPOY
5x champion
2x all-star
2x 3rd team
8x all defense (7x 1st team, 1x 2nd team)
7x rebounding champ

So lets take weakest here. By far Rodman but he is few time allstar and DPOY with several championships. I think most people would have him in as fringe top 75 if at all so can't be too mad either way. One of all time great defensive players regardless.

Then 2nd weakest is probably for most Anthony. Well his resume speaks for himself. There aren't even 40 players with better resume than his in terms of individual success but his team success is obviously heavily lacking and thus he is always looked as outside of top 50 player but definitely in top 75 because one of the best scorers of all time with very long career.

Then we take Kawhi who obviously lacks longeativity especially in the regular season. This is one of reasons why Leonard is barely in top 50 list for most folks. However his DPOY and FMVPs are certain reason for him to be on this list. Top 75 all time? Easily. Only a bad faith argumenter would not have him in here.

Lastly Westbrook. There is not a single MVP with those statistics who wouldn't make it to the list. By all accounts he finishes his career in top 15 in scoring and top 4 in assists and the all time leading PG rebounder combined with several deep playoff pushes (possible championship) and very long career with major success on his own position in an era which can only be described as the golden age of point guards.

Gusto1903 · Post #58 » by **Gusto1903** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:32 am

All of the above. Carmelo has literally zero accolades in the NBA, except for 1 Scoring title. Lillard has a Rookie of the year and Davis won the Chip last year.
Dwight in his prime has done alot more than all of these 3 combined

JN61 · Post #59 » by **JN61** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:34 am

Gusto1903 wrote:All of the above. Carmelo has literally zero accolades in the NBA, except for 1 Scoring title. Lillard has a Rookie of the year and Davis won the Chip last year.
Dwight in his prime has done alot more than all of these 3 combined

What are you talking about? 10x allstar. 6x all nba. If you think accolade is only MVP we can take half of players in top 75 off from the list.

Gusto1903 · Post #60 » by **Gusto1903** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:36 am

JN61 wrote:
Gusto1903 wrote:All of the above. Carmelo has literally zero accolades in the NBA, except for 1 Scoring title. Lillard has a Rookie of the year and Davis won the Chip last year.
Dwight in his prime has done alot more than all of these 3 combined

What are you talking about? 10x allstar. 6x all nba. If you think accolade is only MVP we can take half of players in top 75 off from the list.

Melo was never in the All NBA First team lol