Steve Nash believes James Harden is unfairly treated by the new rules

Buzzard · Post #41 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:41 pm

LikeABosh wrote:Harden has 9 free throw attempts in 3 games. I know he hasn't been himself, but that's a much larger drop-off than I expected. That's usually his total for just 1 game

Trae has 12 in two games so far. That is almost 3 ( 8.7 per game ) below his league average last season.

chyau.00 · Post #42 » by **chyau.00** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:42 pm

CptCrunch wrote:To be completely honest, out of the foul baiting guards, Trae and Curry are way more egregious than Harden in jumping into player and/or touch fouls baiting.

Harden definitely is being targeted unfairly. If you can't see that you are not an objective fan and are just a straight up hater. Curry, Morant, Trae are still living at the line this season pulling the same crap they pull every year.

And on he topic of non jump shooting fouls, Harden is literally getting hit and hacked without calls. This is the same type of fouls that FT leaders like Giannis, Davis, Butler gets.

You cannot have two sets of standards, one for Harden, another for the rest of the league.

Harden, that you?

Buzzard · Post #43 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:46 pm

After calling out Trae, Nash does not have a foot to stand on. The refs are probably having a good laugh on Nash during the Nets pregame meeting.

Profound23 · Post #44 » by **Profound23** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:49 pm

Good, he is completely unwatchable. Can't stand watching him flail and cry the entire game. I have seen so many games where he jumps into the defender and goes to the line then he will jump up and down almost literally crying when he sees another player go to the line for something more egregious.

I usually root for the underdog, not because I dislike the player who is touted as the favorite. I rooted against guys like Kobe, Lebron, etc just because I could not stand how many bandwagoners just blindly followed these players. But I always respected their game and admitted they are both one of the greats. With Harden, it is a genuine dislike of him as a player and his game in almost every way. He is one of the most overrated players, if not the most overrated player I have ever seen.

Shock Defeat · Post #45 » by **Shock Defeat** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:04 pm

Brooklyn has an older, looking broken down Harden who has also been neutered by the refs. Perhaps Harden did the Rockets a favor when he demanded a trade.

warriorschamps · Post #46 » by **warriorschamps** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:07 pm

Credit to Nash for sticking up for his player but Nash knows the deal.

Are they targeting Harden? Probably and for good reason. And please don't bring Steph into this mess. Dude is the greatest shooter ever and has one of the best handles ever. He has never needed to rely on baiting refs into calls. Steph has scored most of his points on field goals in his career. Harden and Trae are something different altogether. Whenever Steph has gone to the free throw line in his career it has almost always been a legit foul.

pr0wler · Post #47 » by **pr0wler** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:09 pm

Buzzard wrote:After calling out Trae, Nash does not have a foot to stand on. The refs are probably having a good laugh on Nash during the Nets pregame meeting.

Because Steve previously made comments about how he felt Trae Young was getting BS calls, he's not allowed to comment that Harden isn't getting fairly officiated? As in now not getting the normal calls throughout the game that any other NBA player would get if his name wasn't James Harden?

Buzzard · Post #48 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:15 pm

pr0wler wrote:
Buzzard wrote:After calling out Trae, Nash does not have a foot to stand on. The refs are probably having a good laugh on Nash during the Nets pregame meeting.

Because Steve previously made comments about how he felt Trae Young was getting BS calls, he's not allowed to comment that Harden isn't getting fairly officiated? As in now not getting the normal calls throughout the game that any other NBA player would get if his name wasn't James Harden?

Nash made his stance and his bed with his Trae bashing; and he needs to accept his fate. Foul baiting is foul baiting. The refs probably lost a lot of respect for Nash the coach; if they ever had any respect for him as a coach.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #49 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:21 pm

Please NBA refs, don't cave to any of this media stuff. The game is so much better without all the foolishness.

Tacoma · Post #50 » by **Tacoma** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:31 pm

Buzzard wrote:After calling out Trae, Nash does not have a foot to stand on. The refs are probably having a good laugh on Nash during the Nets pregame meeting.

Nash is doing the right thing - protecting his player. He's saying what Harden is thinking but it's better that Nash says it on his behalf and keep Harden neutral when critiquing refs. Nash's goal is getting the refs to tone down, which, if he's successful, also helps your guy Trae.

Buzzard · Post #51 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:36 pm

Tacoma wrote:
Buzzard wrote:After calling out Trae, Nash does not have a foot to stand on. The refs are probably having a good laugh on Nash during the Nets pregame meeting.

Nash is doing the right thing - protecting his player. He's saying what Harden is thinking but it's better that Nash says it his behalf and keep Harden neutral. Nash's goal is getting the refs to tone down, which, if he's successful, also helps your guy Trae.

I agree that it could help Trae. I also agree that Nash did not have much of a choice. I think the double standard could be drawing the laughter and ire of the refs behind closed doors though.

This should be a learning experience for Nash the coach. Back your own players up but try your best not to throw any player under the bus. There may come a time when the Nets want to make a free agent run at Trae. How do you think that would go over?

Ayt · Post #52 » by **Ayt** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:39 pm

The last several years, Harden has been one of the least enjoyable players to watch in NBA history for me. I can't stand his constant flailing and foul baiting. Hopefully, the refs continue to not call it when he pulls his nonsense. I honestly also hopes he adapts and plays some real basketball again because I used to be a huge fan.

rockmanslim · Post #53 » by **rockmanslim** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:45 pm

pr0wler · Post #54 » by **pr0wler** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:47 pm

Buzzard wrote:
pr0wler wrote:
Buzzard wrote:After calling out Trae, Nash does not have a foot to stand on. The refs are probably having a good laugh on Nash during the Nets pregame meeting.

Because Steve previously made comments about how he felt Trae Young was getting BS calls, he's not allowed to comment that Harden isn't getting fairly officiated? As in now not getting the normal calls throughout the game that any other NBA player would get if his name wasn't James Harden?

Nash made stance and his bed with his Trae bashing; and he needs to accept his fate. Foul baiting is foul baiting. The refs probably lost a lot of respect for Nash the coach; if they ever had any respect for him as a coach.

He's not claiming Harden should be getting 11 FTA a game like it's 2017. Definitely a percentage of Harden's fouls were complete BS and baiting. That's not the argument.

What he's saying is that James isn't even getting a fair deal right now. If you've watched the games, you would have seen multiple times when regular fouls were not called for some unknown reason. "Oh it's Harden, he's a ref baiter so we're not going to call fouls for him anymore" isn't a valid excuse. Or maybe they just missed the call, that's possible too.

All Nash is asking is for the game to be called fairly for everyone, and for now, it appears as if the refs are still in some growing paints adjusting to the rules and over compensating so far. This will change in the near future and he'll be back to at least a reasonable FTA rate again.

Marrrcuss · Post #55 » by **Marrrcuss** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:49 pm

Ayt wrote:The last several years, Harden has been one of the least enjoyable players to watch in NBA history for me. I can't stand his constant flailing and foul baiting. Hopefully, the refs continue to not call it when he pulls his nonsense. I honestly also hopes he adapts and plays some real basketball again because I used to be a huge fan.

I had been to more rockets games than my lakers.

I generally dislike Hardens game. Its like watching Duke University when they used to shoot 40 FTs a game.

But the fouls are legit on Harden.

jehosafats · Post #56 » by **jehosafats** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:04 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:Nash with terrible take . Now he has to find offense that doesn’t rely Ft

Good. Harden's way makes for a sticky game. The ball sticks. The calls stick. The time sticks.

ArtMorte · Post #57 » by **ArtMorte** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:10 pm

Harden's game has suffered a little due to the better (imo) refereeing - but I think the bigger reason he's struggling to score as much as before is that he's simply gotten worse at taking on defenders.

Buzzard · Post #58 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:20 pm

pr0wler wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
pr0wler wrote:
Because Steve previously made comments about how he felt Trae Young was getting BS calls, he's not allowed to comment that Harden isn't getting fairly officiated? As in now not getting the normal calls throughout the game that any other NBA player would get if his name wasn't James Harden?

Nash made stance and his bed with his Trae bashing; and he needs to accept his fate. Foul baiting is foul baiting. The refs probably lost a lot of respect for Nash the coach; if they ever had any respect for him as a coach.

He's not claiming Harden should be getting 11 FTA a game like it's 2017. Definitely a percentage of Harden's fouls were complete BS and baiting. That's not the argument.

What he's saying is that James isn't even getting a fair deal right now. If you've watched the games, you would have seen multiple times when regular fouls were not called for some unknown reason. "Oh it's Harden, he's a ref baiter so we're not going to call fouls for him anymore" isn't a valid excuse. Or maybe they just missed the call, that's possible too.

All Nash is asking is for the game to be called fairly for everyone, and for now, it appears as if the refs are still in some growing paints adjusting to the rules and over compensating so far. This will change in the near future and he'll be back to at least a reasonable FTA rate again.

I don't recall Nash or anyone from Brooklyn complaining about Harden getting 11 free throw attempts per game. If you can, please post the link.

Oh it's Harden, he's a ref baiter so

This is the bed Nash made when he called out Trae. Complain all you want; but I think Harden will probably be the last high volume free throw shooter that the refs level out.

nycefnl · Post #59 » by **nycefnl** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:33 pm

All the signs of a terrible coach. Help your team make excuses. So the the other teams aren't playing in the same rule changes. Nash needs to be gone fast. I've never seen worse coaching in my life. And I thought Atkinson was bad. :banghead:

Marrrcuss · Post #60 » by **Marrrcuss** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:38 pm

nycefnl wrote:All the signs of a terrible coach. Help your team make excuses. So the the other teams aren't playing in the same rule changes. Nash needs to be gone fast. I've never seen worse coaching in my life. And I thought Atkinson was bad.

Not so sure its a bad thing.

Phil Jackson used to do this all the time.