Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[sodmoraes]

I like Fox, but i dont think he´s much better than Maxey. I know we dont have much options, but feels like a redundant aquisition...

[DCasey91]

Yeah if say we get Ingram it’s better than not having Ingram lol.

Ben is a sunk cost at this point and so is Harris both are additions by subtraction. Get the right players and we won’t miss them imo.

Fox is a surplus especially at his contract with Maxey’s growth. CJ for a +15 mill over Harris gives us a player that thrives with Embiid.

Defense will be a problem (it is now) sure but everything has a cost.

Ben/Harris aren’t problem solvers they are problem makers.

[Arsenal]

I like Fox, but i dont think he´s much better than Maxey. I know we dont have much options, but feels like a redundant aquisition...

I see Fox as a slightly distressed asset currently that may increase his value on a good team. In time he could become a premium trade asset. He should also improve for a few years as he's still only 23.

It's a good problem to have 2 potential star PG's. We can always keep one and trade the other later.

[DCasey91]

Fox sacks Maxey’s growth no thank you. You see Harris with the ball no thank you. You see Ben with the ball no thank you.

Let the kid cook. He’s been amazing for us have to reward that with more of it. At minimum he’s perennial 6man contender but unless you give him maxed out play we won’t know how good he’ll become. At the moment literally in his infancy he’s passing with flying colors.

It’s funny but Rose would have been such a great pickup for us last year. He would have been our Manu (light it up from the bench then close with the starters).

[NBA Moses]

New Orleans(1-11) is going nowhere with Brandon Ingram. Their guard play is awful. Ben Simmons would be a good fit with Pelicans, he gets what he wants his own young team in small market obscurity.

Ingram + Tobias are kind of the same player but I think Ingram has more upside and would trust more as a finisher at end of games.

Would N.O. make that deal?

[mjkvol]

Yeah if say we get Ingram it’s better than not having Ingram lol.

Ben is a sunk cost at this point and so is Harris both are additions by subtraction. Get the right players and we won’t miss them imo.

Fox is a surplus especially at his contract with Maxey’s growth. CJ for a +15 mill over Harris gives us a player that thrives with Embiid.

Defense will be a problem (it is now) sure but everything has a cost.

Ben/Harris aren’t problem solvers they are problem makers.

I'd love to know if Morey actually sees Harris similar to how we see him. Even if it isn't for public consumption right now, I have trouble believing that he doesn't see it and know that a move has to be made there for this group to go as far as it can.

[Arsenal]

Yeah if say we get Ingram it’s better than not having Ingram lol.

Ben is a sunk cost at this point and so is Harris both are additions by subtraction. Get the right players and we won’t miss them imo.

Fox is a surplus especially at his contract with Maxey’s growth. CJ for a +15 mill over Harris gives us a player that thrives with Embiid.

Defense will be a problem (it is now) sure but everything has a cost.

Ben/Harris aren’t problem solvers they are problem makers.

I'd love to know if Morey actually sees Harris similar to how we see him. Even if it isn't for public consumption right now, I have trouble believing that he doesn't see it and know that a move has to be made there for this group to go as far as it can.

I guarantee Morey knows Harris must go. It's just a matter of when the right offer comes.

[Arsenal]

New Orleans(1-11) is going nowhere with Brandon Ingram. Their guard play is awful. Ben Simmons would be a good fit with Pelicans, he gets what he wants his own young team in small market obscurity.

Ingram + Tobias are kind of the same player but I think Ingram has more upside and would trust more as a finisher at end of games.

Would N.O. make that deal?

Problem is Ben + Zion don't fit at all. But NO needs a starting caliber PG as Devonte Graham, Kira Lewis and NAW ain't it.

Someone else suggested a 3-way:
Ben to SAC
Fox to NO
Ingram to PHI

Addresses needs for all 3 teams. Getting a forward like Ingram means we can hand Maxey the keys long term at PG. It also means Harris must be dealt as there aren't enough shots long-term for Embiid + Ingram + Maxey + Tobias.

[kuclas]

Teams are insistent on low balling sixers. I don’t see any trades happening till end of the season.

NO has its own picks. So if they suck. Why bring in Simmons who could win them games and hurt their draft position huge difference between drafting top 3 vs top 6 (see okc draft pick 2021). Okc starting tanking too late last season.

[mjkvol]

New Orleans(1-11) is going nowhere with Brandon Ingram. Their guard play is awful. Ben Simmons would be a good fit with Pelicans, he gets what he wants his own young team in small market obscurity.

Ingram + Tobias are kind of the same player but I think Ingram has more upside and would trust more as a finisher at end of games.

Would N.O. make that deal?

Problem is Ben + Zion don't fit at all. But NO needs a starting caliber PG as Devonte Graham, Kira Lewis and NAW ain't it.

Someone else suggested a 3-way:
Ben to SAC
Fox to NO
Ingram to PHI

Addresses needs for all 3 teams. Getting a forward like Ingram means we can hand Maxey the keys long term at PG. It also means Harris must be dealt as there aren't enough shots long-term for Embiid + Ingram + Maxey + Tobias.

And making that deal would give credibility to the idea of moving Harris, even to those who value his locker room presence and leadership. Not following it up by moving Harris would make zero sense.

[Arsenal]

Teams are insistent on low balling sixers. I don’t see any trades happening till end of the season.

NO has its own picks. So if they suck. Why bring in Simmons who could win them games and hurt their draft position huge difference between drafting top 3 vs top 6 (see okc draft pick 2021). Okc starting tanking too late last season.

If David Griffin's job is in jeopardy, that gives plenty of reason to make a move before the offseason.

[ProcessDoctor]

Ant firmly played himself off the trade table the other night against GSW. I imagine they'd trade KAT before Ant.

[zaz102]

Teams are insistent on low balling sixers. I don’t see any trades happening till end of the season.

NO has its own picks. So if they suck. Why bring in Simmons who could win them games and hurt their draft position huge difference between drafting top 3 vs top 6 (see okc draft pick 2021). Okc starting tanking too late last season.

If David Griffin's job is in jeopardy, that gives plenty of reason to make a move before the offseason.

Could be a three way too.

I have no idea if Ingram will be available, but I'm starting to believe the Maxey hype and want to figure out a way to trade Simmons for Ingram level forward or better and trade Harris for a backup PG and another Niang type (low usage/3&D) that can start. I would rather have this than a PG like Fox at this point.

Although, obviously beggars can't be choosers and I'm not sure how interested anybody would be in Tobi at this time.

[ProcessDoctor]

New Orleans(1-11) is going nowhere with Brandon Ingram. Their guard play is awful. Ben Simmons would be a good fit with Pelicans, he gets what he wants his own young team in small market obscurity.

Ingram + Tobias are kind of the same player but I think Ingram has more upside and would trust more as a finisher at end of games.

Would N.O. make that deal?

Problem is Ben + Zion don't fit at all. But NO needs a starting caliber PG as Devonte Graham, Kira Lewis and NAW ain't it.

Someone else suggested a 3-way:
Ben to SAC
Fox to NO
Ingram to PHI

Addresses needs for all 3 teams. Getting a forward like Ingram means we can hand Maxey the keys long term at PG. It also means Harris must be dealt as there aren't enough shots long-term for Embiid + Ingram + Maxey + Tobias.

And making that deal would give credibility to the idea of moving Harris, even to those who value his locker room presence and leadership. Not following it up by moving Harris would make zero sense.

I think you'd have to accept an Ingram/Harris forward duo for the foreseeable future. There aren't any obvious trades for Tobias atm.

[Declan]

Yeah if say we get Ingram it’s better than not having Ingram lol.

Ben is a sunk cost at this point and so is Harris both are additions by subtraction. Get the right players and we won’t miss them imo.

Fox is a surplus especially at his contract with Maxey’s growth. CJ for a +15 mill over Harris gives us a player that thrives with Embiid.

Defense will be a problem (it is now) sure but everything has a cost.

Ben/Harris aren’t problem solvers they are problem makers.

I'd love to know if Morey actually sees Harris similar to how we see him. Even if it isn't for public consumption right now, I have trouble believing that he doesn't see it and know that a move has to be made there for this group to go as far as it can.

I guarantee Morey knows Harris must go. It's just a matter of when the right offer comes.

Don’t see how you move that contact but he got rid of Horford so who knows

[Arsenal]

Problem is Ben + Zion don't fit at all. But NO needs a starting caliber PG as Devonte Graham, Kira Lewis and NAW ain't it.

Someone else suggested a 3-way:
Ben to SAC
Fox to NO
Ingram to PHI

Addresses needs for all 3 teams. Getting a forward like Ingram means we can hand Maxey the keys long term at PG. It also means Harris must be dealt as there aren't enough shots long-term for Embiid + Ingram + Maxey + Tobias.

And making that deal would give credibility to the idea of moving Harris, even to those who value his locker room presence and leadership. Not following it up by moving Harris would make zero sense.

I think you'd have to accept an Ingram/Harris forward duo for the foreseeable future. There aren't any obvious trades for Tobias atm.

Agree and it's not the worst thing in the world. Maybe next offseason we could dump Harris for a lower usage 3&D type F (Covington?).

[Tomjas]

And making that deal would give credibility to the idea of moving Harris, even to those who value his locker room presence and leadership. Not following it up by moving Harris would make zero sense.

I think you'd have to accept an Ingram/Harris forward duo for the foreseeable future. There aren't any obvious trades for Tobias atm.

Agree and it's not the worst thing in the world. Maybe next offseason we could dump Harris for a lower usage 3&D type F (Covington?).

Covington is not the player that he was here

[stormi]

I love the idea of getting a huge scoring wing like Ingram while just giving Maxey the keys on O.

And then Harris has to go, but something like:

Maxey
Curry
Ingram
Niang
Embiid

With Niang and Curry strictly being floor spacers, Ingram and Maxey being the main ballhandlers and P&R operators, and Embiid being the most dominant player in the world again.

Harris is a ball-stopper that slows our tempo, but doesn't score or facilitate enough to be worth it.

aside: I'd also love to get FVV here for Danny/Shake + picks + salary if the Raptors are going rebuild mode.

This guy is just a beast. Shoots a tonne of 3's without hesitation, has deep range, is a playmaker, can control the P&R, defends hard at his size. He's better than Lowry.

[kuclas]

Ant firmly played himself off the trade table the other night against GSW. I imagine they'd trade KAT before Ant.

When you jack up 20-25 shots a night. You are bound to have some big games.

I’m still calling him Andrew Wiggins 2.0.

Wiggins put up 47 age 21 vs lakers in 2016 on 14-21 shooting. Even more efficient than ant man game last night.

[DCasey91]

It’s reverse logic tanking. Breeds into culture then you end up bad for a whole decade doing the same thing again.

Winning breeds more winning simple. Wolves had every top pick under the sun with nothing to show for it. Because they intentionally became nothing.

The top are the top because they aspire to the best and do it.