Anthony Davis settling? Look at Lebron's current stats

[phanman]

Something that is being overlooked is the guys that make up the Lakers starting unit. He begins the game with essentially 3-4 guys who are struggling or don't shoot 3's normally:

Struggling Davis 18.8% on 2.1 3pa
Struggling Bazemore 30.8% on 2.5 3pa
Nonshooter Westbrook: 32% on 4.3 3pa
Nonshooter THT: 25.6% on 3.5 3pa
Nonshooter DJ

I mean when Westbrook is the second most consistent shooter, someone's got to space the floor. I mean 23/34 of his 3pt makes are assisted.

[tamaraw08]

Something that is being overlooked is the guys that make up the Lakers starting unit. He begins the game with essentially 3-4 guys who are struggling or don't shoot 3's normally:

Struggling Davis 18.8% on 2.1 3pa
Struggling Bazemore 30.8% on 2.5 3pa
Nonshooter Westbrook: 32% on 4.3 3pa
Nonshooter THT: 25.6% on 3.5 3pa
Nonshooter DJ

I mean when Westbrook is the second most consistent shooter, someone's got to space the floor. I mean 23/34 of his 3pt makes are assisted.

Not a few fans and 'analysts" have hailed Frank Vogel as a Defensive Genius bec his team last year managed to lead the league in DRTG with AD and Lebron missing at least 50 reg season games. Most of them ignored the fact the relied heavily on the defensive abilities of key players like KCP, Caruso, Kuz WHILE BENCHING bad defenders like Harrell, Cook etc including the slow Marc Gasol.
Well, this year, his team all of a sudden struggle defending. , no what? Frank has to use players he thinks that will play hardest on defense, uncluding Bazemore, THT and a player that 29 other teams didn't bother to sign in Bradley.

[tamaraw08]

A lot of it has to do with Vogel’s lineups. If Frank is going to go with two bigs, Lebron and Westbrook, then Ellington or Monk really need to be the other starter. When Frank runs the Dwight-AD-Lebron-THT-Russ lineup, it leaves Lebron as the de facto floor spacer.

It’s also hurt that Bazemore has completely fallen out of the rotation due to extreme suckage. He was supposed to be a 3 and D wing for this team this year. Another wing who could shoot could give the team more lineup versatility and Lebron wouldn’t have to shoot as much.

One reason some think why Lebron has to take those 3's is that he is sorrounded by non shooters/spacers esp with Russ, THT, Dwight or DJ, so he has to be the designated 3pt shooter. Well, that point makes sense but I wonder if you and ESPECIALLY Vogel is aware that a combo of James, Melo (shooting at 43% from 3) and AD has +7.2 net rating, actually the highest trio combo for Lebron. His lowest is with Bazemore and Westbrook.
Even if you add Westbrook for a 4 man, AD, Melo, Lebron lineup ​they are still a +6.4 pts net rating.
And Melo/Lebron combo is at +10.7
. A trio of Monk, James and Melo is at 5.3 for 108 mins

[VanWest82]

Super confusing thread. Why would Davis settling = Lebron shooting more threes? Surely this is a result of Lebron slowing down and Westbrook having the ball to kick out to shooters which now includes Lebron.

[trickshot]

Something that is being overlooked is the guys that make up the Lakers starting unit. He begins the game with essentially 3-4 guys who are struggling or don't shoot 3's normally:

Struggling Davis 18.8% on 2.1 3pa
Struggling Bazemore 30.8% on 2.5 3pa
Nonshooter Westbrook: 32% on 4.3 3pa
Nonshooter THT: 25.6% on 3.5 3pa
Nonshooter DJ

I mean when Westbrook is the second most consistent shooter, someone's got to space the floor. I mean 23/34 of his 3pt makes are assisted.

Not a few fans and 'analysts" have hailed Frank Vogel as a Defensive Genius bec his team last year managed to lead the league in DRTG with AD and Lebron missing at least 50 reg season games. Most of them ignored the fact the relied heavily on the defensive abilities of key players like KCP, Caruso, Kuz WHILE BENCHING bad defenders like Harrell, Cook etc including the slow Marc Gasol.
Well, this year, his team all of a sudden struggle defending. , no what? Frank has to use players he thinks that will play hardest on defense, uncluding Bazemore, THT and a player that 29 other teams didn't bother to sign in Bradley.

Agree with this, absolutely disappointing that people only recognised in hindsight how good that cast was defensively. It was right there staring them in the face all last year. Vogel is also good but it wasn't just a bunch of scrubs being made elite by novelty schemes. I thought the Lakers also appreciated the fact but the way they discarded that identity as being easily replaceable by a bunch of one way liabilities I'm no longer so sure. With the new rules would have been even better. Individual superstar defense was the only area they weren't elite and the Nba patched that up.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Super confusing thread. Why would Davis settling = Lebron shooting more threes? Surely this is a result of Lebron slowing down and Westbrook having the ball to kick out to shooters which now includes Lebron.

I think thread title is effectively saying: if you think Anthony Davis is settling for threes, why not take a look at how many Lebron is taking? It took me a bit to decode.

[JN61]

Bron decline only supports why KAJ is the true GOAT.

Kareem's age 37 he averaged 22 points per game, although he played in 79 games during the RS. On a per-possession basis Lebron is better at this point in time.

Kareem also won finals MVP when he was 37 year old (well technically he was already 38 at that time of the year). So yeaaah. I take Kareem over LeBrick.

[LukaTheGOAT]

Bron decline only supports why KAJ is the true GOAT.

Kareem's age 37 he averaged 22 points per game, although he played in 79 games during the RS. On a per-possession basis Lebron is better at this point in time.

Kareem was 4th in MVP voting and won the finals MVP (For the little that thing is worth). I have no idea how any of this makes kareem better or worse than lebron, but just saying...Kareem had a pretty solid age 37 season.

No doubt.

[DroseReturnChi]

99% of the time older stars decline when they take more jumpers esp 3pters. means they cant drive activity level drops.
i would trade both ad and lebron for a kings ransom. lebron has little legacy as a laker. lakers cant afford another crappy kobe tour they need to prepare post lebron just like gs already did with post steph era.

[MKWB]

On a related note, how much swing potential do those future Lakers' picks + swaps have? Declining LeBron, bad fit/huge salary in Westbrook, passive non-1st option AD. Reminder of which 1st's are owed to the Pelicans:

2022 1st - to NOP if # 1-10, to MEM if 11-30 (Adams/JV trade)

2023 1st swap- Pels can swap if Lakers have a higher pick. Possible.

2024 1st **OR 2025 1st - UNPROTECTED to the Pels
Pels can choose to refuse the LAL 2024 pick if it's not high enough, and take the LAL 2025 1st unprotected instead.

The 2024/25 pick could turn out to be top 10.


https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

2022 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
L.A. Lakers' 2022 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selection 11-30 or to Memphis (via New Orleans) protected for selections 1-10; if this pick is not conveyed to Memphis, then Memphis will instead receive Cleveland's 2022 2nd round pick (via Atlanta to New Orleans) and New Orleans' 2025 2nd round pick (L.A. Lakers' obligation to New Orleans or Memphis will thereafter be extinguished) [L.A. Lakers-New Orleans-Washington, 7/6/2019; Charlotte-Memphis-New Orleans, 8/7/2021]

2023 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers (swap, New Orleans outgoing)
New Orleans has the right to swap its 2023 1st round pick for the L.A. Lakers' 2023 1st round pick [L.A. Lakers-New Orleans-Washington, 7/6/2019]

2024 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
L.A. Lakers' 2024 1st round pick to New Orleans or New Orleans has the right to instead receive the L.A. Lakers' 2025 1st round pick.

[Balls Deep]

Well I think we've reached the point where you can safely say a LeBron team is not championship favorites. So if you had "3 weeks before 37th birthday" you win.

He’s still the best in the world until he stinks it up in the playoffs while being injury free/not coming off an injury.

[meekrab]

Well I think we've reached the point where you can safely say a LeBron team is not championship favorites. So if you had "3 weeks before 37th birthday" you win.

He’s still the best in the world until he stinks it up in the playoffs while being injury free/not coming off an injury.

Availability is a skill.

[JN61]

Something that is being overlooked is the guys that make up the Lakers starting unit. He begins the game with essentially 3-4 guys who are struggling or don't shoot 3's normally:

Struggling Davis 18.8% on 2.1 3pa
Struggling Bazemore 30.8% on 2.5 3pa
Nonshooter Westbrook: 32% on 4.3 3pa
Nonshooter THT: 25.6% on 3.5 3pa
Nonshooter DJ

I mean when Westbrook is the second most consistent shooter, someone's got to space the floor. I mean 23/34 of his 3pt makes are assisted.

Westbrook been solid shooter this year. He is shooting like 50% from the corner 3s.

[Yeggo Poleggo]

Bron decline only supports why KAJ is the true GOAT.

Kareem's age 37 he averaged 22 points per game, although he played in 79 games during the RS. On a per-possession basis Lebron is better at this point in time.

I personally think accomplishing what KAJ did back then, is more impressive than what Lebron does now in a very hyper-inflated scoring league.

[Yeggo Poleggo]

Well I think we've reached the point where you can safely say a LeBron team is not championship favorites. So if you had "3 weeks before 37th birthday" you win.

He’s still the best in the world until he stinks it up in the playoffs while being injury free/not coming off an injury.

Availability is a skill.

No its not. Its luck. Kobe spent tremendous money and did everything he could in the gym to keep himself prepared. Lebron the same. You cant buy off Father Time.

[Goomba3666]

Well I think we've reached the point where you can safely say a LeBron team is not championship favorites. So if you had "3 weeks before 37th birthday" you win.

He’s still the best in the world until he stinks it up in the playoffs while being injury free/not coming off an injury.

Wow. Imagine thinking this. Lol.

[LesGrossman]

Nice story bro. Care to take a look here? https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2141649

7 guys (4%) think he is currently the best player in the league. 27 other guys (15%) think he is top 5 in a league taht also has Curry, KD, Giannis, Joker, Embiid, Luka, Harden, AD, Lillard playing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round/?sh=596f5e0c7ec6

Here's a study showing only 84% of people have always believed the earth is round. In this poll 82% believe Lebron isn't a top 5 player. I think we can all agree that everyone sane thinks lebron is outside the top 5.

thank you, totally unreasonable to expect anymore agreement than that

I proved you wrong, this is how you deal with it. You could have said "wow, you're right - didnt know that". Be a better man.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Well I think we've reached the point where you can safely say a LeBron team is not championship favorites. So if you had "3 weeks before 37th birthday" you win.

He’s still the best in the world until he stinks it up in the playoffs while being injury free/not coming off an injury.

That's adorable

[nikster]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round/?sh=596f5e0c7ec6

Here's a study showing only 84% of people have always believed the earth is round. In this poll 82% believe Lebron isn't a top 5 player. I think we can all agree that everyone sane thinks lebron is outside the top 5.

thank you, totally unreasonable to expect anymore agreement than that

I proved you wrong, this is how you deal with it. You could have said "wow, you're right - didnt know that". Be a better man.

You took the words too literally. If your expecting to get 100% agreement on any topic your crazy. But keep getting worked up about the 5% of the board that thinks Lebron is an MVP candidate

[dhsilv2]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round/?sh=596f5e0c7ec6

Here's a study showing only 84% of people have always believed the earth is round. In this poll 82% believe Lebron isn't a top 5 player. I think we can all agree that everyone sane thinks lebron is outside the top 5.

thank you, totally unreasonable to expect anymore agreement than that

I proved you wrong, this is how you deal with it. You could have said "wow, you're right - didnt know that". Be a better man.

your post proved you wrong lol....4% LMFAO