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Pentele wrote:Objectively, it seems both Zach and Demar are worthy of being all stars this season. Does that really happen, though? As far as fan voting is concerned, I think the perception around the league is that the Bulls is Zach's team and so he gets the nod. But I do not think there are necessarily that many (outside Chicago) who would pencil both in.

Zachs the incumbent and having a heck of a season after winning a gold medal However any media coverage or even NBA.com review of a Bulls win leads with DeRozen as the headline.

Do we get both as starters probably not but I don't see how there is an NBA All Star game that doesn't have BOTH Zach and DeMar in it.

Pentele wrote:Objectively, it seems both Zach and Demar are worthy of being all stars this season. Does that really happen, though? As far as fan voting is concerned, I think the perception around the league is that the Bulls is Zach's team and so he gets the nod. But I do not think there are necessarily that many (outside Chicago) who would pencil both in.

They may not both start but yes both are clear Allstars this year

Pentele wrote:Objectively, it seems both Zach and Demar are worthy of being all stars this season. Does that really happen, though? As far as fan voting is concerned, I think the perception around the league is that the Bulls is Zach's team and so he gets the nod. But I do not think there are necessarily that many (outside Chicago) who would pencil both in.

What Bulls have going for them to get two voted in:

1. One of the leagues best records

2. two of the leagues top 10 scorers

3. Past all star appearances

4. big market.

5. Getting more twitter votes then anyone else so far.

Pentele wrote:Objectively, it seems both Zach and Demar are worthy of being all stars this season. Does that really happen, though? As far as fan voting is concerned, I think the perception around the league is that the Bulls is Zach's team and so he gets the nod. But I do not think there are necessarily that many (outside Chicago) who would pencil both in.

If the season ended today I think Derozan would finish 5th in MVP voting. I think we'll see not only Lavine and Derozan be all-stars this year, but also all-NBA. (if they can keep up their great play and the Bulls finish the season as the 2nd seed.)

I am feeling confident Zach & DeMar will get enough votes to start. The Bulls have a ton of buzz, not only just in our huge Chicago market but across the entire NBA sphere. DeMar stands to pick up plenty of votes from his loyal Raptors and Spurs fans, and Zach has always had a huge young fan base dating back to the Slam Dunk contests. They're not divisive players amongst fans either - quite the contrary. Everyone loves DeMar for his lost art craft, easy going nature and support of his teammates. Zach similarly is another guy that plays the game the right way, puts his head down and goes to work. They never stir up drama complaining about refs or their teams. You hardly ever see them seriously talk trash to anyone. Not obnoxious socialites either. They're lowkey & competitive. Casual fans are drawn to that.

I don't know if Vuc will make it, but if he continues to produce at the level he has the past week (18/12/4/1/1/ on good splits) and goes on a tear in January it's going to make it very tough for the coaches to keep him off the team as a reserve.

NZB2323 wrote:If the season ended today I think Derozan would finish 5th in MVP voting. I think we'll see not only Lavine and Derozan be all-stars this year, but also all-NBA. (if they can keep up their great play and the Bulls finish the season as the 2nd seed.)

Derozan might have an easier chance at All-NBA because he'll be considered a forward, and the All-NBA teams lost Kawhi and I don't think Julius Randle will make it again. I think Jayson Tatum and Derozan are probably All-NBA forwards, along with Paul George. I'm not sure who would get voted in besides Derozan, Brandon Ingram? It would have to be Julius Randle again.

kodo wrote:

NZB2323 wrote:If the season ended today I think Derozan would finish 5th in MVP voting. I think we'll see not only Lavine and Derozan be all-stars this year, but also all-NBA. (if they can keep up their great play and the Bulls finish the season as the 2nd seed.)

Derozan might have an easier chance at All-NBA because he'll be considered a forward, and the All-NBA teams lost Kawhi and I don't think Julius Randle will make it again. I think Jayson Tatum and Derozan are probably All-NBA forwards, along with Paul George. I'm not sure who would get voted in besides Derozan, Brandon Ingram? It would have to be Julius Randle again.

Julius Randle, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard & Bradley Beal aren't making it with Damian Lillard & Paul George having down years. Zach and DeRozan are shoo-ins.

Jcool0 wrote:Julius Randle, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard & Bradley Beal aren't making it with Damian Lillard & Paul George having down years. Zach and DeRozan are shoo-ins.

Agree that anybody bringing up Randle is pretty off base but Zach unfortunately (or fortunately because of what it would mean for his next contract) is far from a shoe-in.

After October and November, this is how the Dunc"D On Podcast on which is almost analytical to a fault and merit based had the All NBA Teams forward and guard lines.

Forwards
1st - Durant Giannis
2nd - Butler DEROZAN
3rd - George Green

You can probably safely switch in Lebron for George with Lebron's recent play and George's injury. And with George's injury as well as Anthony Davis missing two months and Jimmy being in and out of the lineup, DeRozan seems pretty locked in at the currently trajectory.

But a spot on guards for Zach is no sure thing--

Guards
1st - Curry Young
2nd - Paul Morant
3rd - Harden LAVINE

I can't see Zach jumping any of Curry, Young, Paul or Morant, especially sharing the offense with DeMar. I don't think much of Young and believe him to be overrated but his efficiency numbers are pretty staggering. So Zach's only shot is the third line. He's favored but Donovan Mitchell has a lot more hype from the media and Luka can easily go super nova upon his return and Harden will be around the whole year pending injury.

gf2020hotmail wrote:

Jcool0 wrote:Julius Randle, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard & Bradley Beal aren't making it with Damian Lillard & Paul George having down years. Zach and DeRozan are shoo-ins.

Agree that anybody bringing up Randle is pretty off base but Zach unfortunately (or fortunately because of what it would mean for his next contract) is far from a shoe-in.

After October and November, this is how the Dunc"D On Podcast on which is almost analytical to a fault and merit based had the All NBA Teams forward and guard lines.

Forwards
1st - Durant Giannis
2nd - Butler DEROZAN
3rd - George Green

You can probably safely switch in Lebron for George with Lebron's recent play and George's injury. And with George's injury as well as Anthony Davis missing two months and Jimmy being in and out of the lineup, DeRozan seems pretty locked in at the currently trajectory.

But a spot on guards for Zach is no sure thing--

Guards
1st - Curry Young
2nd - Paul Morant
3rd - Harden LAVINE

I can't see Zach jumping any of Curry, Young, Paul or Morant, especially sharing the offense with DeMar. I don't think much of Young and believe him to be overrated but his efficiency numbers are pretty staggering. So Zach's only shot is the third line. He's favored but Donovan Mitchell has a lot more hype from the media and Luka can easily go super nova upon his return and Harden will be around the whole year pending injury.

1st. Curry Lavine
2nd. Doncic Young
3rd. Paul Morant

LaVine will probably get enough votes to be a starter.

kodo wrote:

NZB2323 wrote:If the season ended today I think Derozan would finish 5th in MVP voting. I think we'll see not only Lavine and Derozan be all-stars this year, but also all-NBA. (if they can keep up their great play and the Bulls finish the season as the 2nd seed.)

Derozan might have an easier chance at All-NBA because he'll be considered a forward, and the All-NBA teams lost Kawhi and I don't think Julius Randle will make it again. I think Jayson Tatum and Derozan are probably All-NBA forwards, along with Paul George. I'm not sure who would get voted in besides Derozan, Brandon Ingram? It would have to be Julius Randle again.

The all-NBA forwards would be Durant, Lebron, Derozan, Tatum, Paul George, and Jimmy Butler.

Does Lavine really have a hard time competing against Guards? Curry, Chris Paul, Trae Young, Doncic, Lavine, Booker, Mitchell, and Garland are the top 8. Do people usually make the the all-NBA teams if they miss the playoffs? I guess it depends on the year, but in 2006 Elton Brand made the all-NBA 2nd team and KG didn't even make the all-NBA first team. If Trae Young misses the playoffs and the Bulls finish with the 2nd seed I'd have to believe people would vote for Lavine over Young. We'll see how these teams finish the season.

Jcool0 wrote:

gf2020hotmail wrote:

Jcool0 wrote:Julius Randle, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard & Bradley Beal aren't making it with Damian Lillard & Paul George having down years. Zach and DeRozan are shoo-ins.

Agree that anybody bringing up Randle is pretty off base but Zach unfortunately (or fortunately because of what it would mean for his next contract) is far from a shoe-in.

After October and November, this is how the Dunc"D On Podcast on which is almost analytical to a fault and merit based had the All NBA Teams forward and guard lines.

Forwards
1st - Durant Giannis
2nd - Butler DEROZAN
3rd - George Green

You can probably safely switch in Lebron for George with Lebron's recent play and George's injury. And with George's injury as well as Anthony Davis missing two months and Jimmy being in and out of the lineup, DeRozan seems pretty locked in at the currently trajectory.

But a spot on guards for Zach is no sure thing--

Guards
1st - Curry Young
2nd - Paul Morant
3rd - Harden LAVINE

I can't see Zach jumping any of Curry, Young, Paul or Morant, especially sharing the offense with DeMar. I don't think much of Young and believe him to be overrated but his efficiency numbers are pretty staggering. So Zach's only shot is the third line. He's favored but Donovan Mitchell has a lot more hype from the media and Luka can easily go super nova upon his return and Harden will be around the whole year pending injury.

1st. Curry Lavine
2nd. Doncic Young
3rd. Paul Morant

The Grizzlies went on a run after Morant got injured. IMHO Mitchell, Booker, and Garland would be voted in over Morant.

NZB2323 wrote:

Pentele wrote:Objectively, it seems both Zach and Demar are worthy of being all stars this season. Does that really happen, though? As far as fan voting is concerned, I think the perception around the league is that the Bulls is Zach's team and so he gets the nod. But I do not think there are necessarily that many (outside Chicago) who would pencil both in.

If the season ended today I think Derozan would finish 5th in MVP voting.

he and lavine would split votes, though. the raw stats are nearly identical

and i can't imagine that either would finish ahead of jokic, curry, giannis, KD or CP3...even if the season ended today. doesn't matter that denver and milwaukee have had disappointing seasons - the talent and dominance of their stars is impossible to ignore. so barring injury, those 5 are pretty set in stone. same top 5 in vote getting as last season w/ curry replacing embiid

I think we'll see not only Lavine and Derozan be all-stars this year, but also all-NBA. (if they can keep up their great play and the Bulls finish the season as the 2nd seed.)

certainly a possibility

NZB2323 wrote:The all-NBA forwards would be Durant, Lebron, Derozan, Tatum, Paul George, and Jimmy Butler.

What a bizarre conception of the NBA you have when you omit Giannis and include Tatum who is having a very down year by his standards.

NZB2323 wrote:Does Lavine really have a hard time competing against Guards? Curry, Chris Paul, Trae Young, Doncic, Lavine, Booker, Mitchell, and Garland are the top 8. Do people usually make the the all-NBA teams if they miss the playoffs? I guess it depends on the year, but in 2006 Elton Brand made the all-NBA 2nd team and KG didn't even make the all-NBA first team. If Trae Young misses the playoffs and the Bulls finish with the 2nd seed I'd have to believe people would vote for Lavine over Young. We'll see how these teams finish the season.

2006 is relevant to how all NBA teams voting in the year 2022 how? They vote before the play-in games. Just last season Bradley Beal made it on the all nba third team despite being on a ninth place team. In 2019, Lebron missed 30 games and the Lakers finished tenth and he still made the third team. Young's massive lead on efficiency and the high likelihood that his team is going to be in at least the play-in ensures he'll be highly considered over Zach. For All NBA Voting, media doesn't reward team success nearly as much as they do for MVP.

NZB2323 wrote:The Grizzlies went on a run after Morant got injured. IMHO Mitchell, Booker, and Garland would be voted in over Morant.

Just nuts. At the end of April, a bunch of sport writers are going to pass over Morant, 24.36 PER, over in favor of Garland, he of the 17.9 PER, and Booker, barely over 20 at 20.05 PER because of a stretch in early December when his team played well without him? They are going to overlook his massive edge in efficiency for freaking Darius Garland. Laughable. LaMelo Ball and Mike Conley are well ahead of him, but he's jumping Morant? LMAO. PER isn't everything, but when someone is 7 points higher than someone else, you might want to check your priors.

Got my votes in. Let’s hope at least Zach and Demar make the team. I think both are locks right now.

Have to ask: should Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown make the All Star team when their team is 10th seed? How about Trae Young for the 12th seeded Hawks?

FriedRise wrote:Have to ask: should Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown make the All Star team when their team is 10th seed? How about Trae Young for the 12th seeded Hawks?

Honestly, as long as none of them steal a starter spot from zach and demar, Idc lol.