Westbrook on Vogel: “I don’t know what his issue was with me”

[LivingLegend]

Vogel is unfairly being made the fall guy here. Imagine having to deal with headcases like Russ and Lebron on a daily basis

Ty Lou and Eric Spolstra have had zero problem doing it with many more stars/egos than Vogel has.

Maybe the problem isnt the players....maybe its the coach.

Whats harder than coaching LeBron/Russ/AD? Probably coaching LeBron/Wade/Bosh after in their primes after they turned into Public Enemy #1 across the entire NBA. Also probably dealing with LeBrons ego, Kyries insanity and Loves emotion while going to 4 straight NBA Finals.

Cmon. Vogel just isnt a good coach for star players.

How are you going to compare a wash up Lebron and Westbrook to a prime Bosh, Wade and lebron.

......in terms of difficulty to coach? Which is the entire topic of conversation? My point is prime Bosh/Wade/Bron were much tougher to coach than old LeBron/Westbrook and Davis. Spolstra handed it to the tune of 4 straight Finals and 2 rings and Ty Lue handled it the same way in MUCH higher stakes than Vogel did.

Point being, Vogel didnt have that hard of a coaching situation comparatively. Maybe hes just not a good coach. Spo/Lue got it done 4 years a piece in harder situations. Vogel failed in 4 years in a easier situation.

[Stone]

You win as a team and you lose as a team......This scapegoat **** is for clicks

[WestbrookGOATed]

See...**** like this is what makes me dislike Russ a lot. Get this bum of the team. Go be Russ in the Iraqi div 6 league.

He led the Lakers in almost every category statistically this season. Keep hating though.

[Capn'O]

Lol we just un-stickied the Lakers mega thread and immediately got a new Vogel thread, a new Bron thread, a new Russ thread, there's an Austin Reaves thread, and an old Lakers thread was bumped.

Bless your poor heart.

[Kilroy]

I Frank Vogel now...

[LAL1947]

Ty Lou and Eric Spolstra have had zero problem doing it with many more stars/egos than Vogel has.

Maybe the problem isnt the players....maybe its the coach.

Whats harder than coaching LeBron/Russ/AD? Probably coaching LeBron/Wade/Bosh after in their primes after they turned into Public Enemy #1 across the entire NBA. Also probably dealing with LeBrons ego, Kyries insanity and Loves emotion while going to 4 straight NBA Finals.

Cmon. Vogel just isnt a good coach for star players.

How are you going to compare a wash up Lebron and Westbrook to a prime Bosh, Wade and lebron.

......in terms of difficulty to coach? Which is the entire topic of conversation? My point is prime Bosh/Wade/Bron were much tougher to coach than old LeBron/Westbrook and Davis. Spolstra handed it to the tune of 4 straight Finals and 2 rings and Ty Lue handled it the same way in MUCH higher stakes than Vogel did.

Point being, Vogel didnt have that hard of a coaching situation comparatively. Maybe hes just not a good coach. Spo/Lue got it done 4 years a piece in harder situations. Vogel failed in 4 years in a easier situation.

Ty Lue and Eric Spoelstra are both good coaches, so is Frank Vogel.

Anyway, I don't get this comparison you're trying to make. Miami were supposed to win not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7... and only ended up with 2. Also, Vogel has only been coach of the Lakers for 3 seasons, not 4... and AD got injured in the playoffs last season, missed a whole bunch of games this season... and none of Lebron, Wade, Bosh or AD are as boneheaded as Westbrick.

[The High Cyde]

See...**** like this is what makes me dislike Russ a lot. Get this bum of the team. Go be Russ in the Iraqi div 6 league.

He led the Lakers in almost every category statistically this season. Keep hating though.

Led in what? He’s tops in counting stats cause he played in more games, he still sucked all things considered.

[Meeksology]

Vogel is unfairly being made the fall guy here. Imagine having to deal with headcases like Russ and Lebron on a daily basis

Ty Lou and Eric Spolstra have had zero problem doing it with many more stars/egos than Vogel has.

Maybe the problem isnt the players....maybe its the coach.

Whats harder than coaching LeBron/Russ/AD? Probably coaching LeBron/Wade/Bosh after in their primes after they turned into Public Enemy #1 across the entire NBA. Also probably dealing with LeBrons ego, Kyries insanity and Loves emotion while going to 4 straight NBA Finals.

Cmon. Vogel just isnt a good coach for star players.

Those coaches had the backing of their respective front offices (especially spoelstra), which makes it a hell of a lot easier to pushback on divas if needed without (much) concern.

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[LivingLegend]

How are you going to compare a wash up Lebron and Westbrook to a prime Bosh, Wade and lebron.

......in terms of difficulty to coach? Which is the entire topic of conversation? My point is prime Bosh/Wade/Bron were much tougher to coach than old LeBron/Westbrook and Davis. Spolstra handed it to the tune of 4 straight Finals and 2 rings and Ty Lue handled it the same way in MUCH higher stakes than Vogel did.

Point being, Vogel didnt have that hard of a coaching situation comparatively. Maybe hes just not a good coach. Spo/Lue got it done 4 years a piece in harder situations. Vogel failed in 4 years in a easier situation.

Ty Lue and Eric Spoelstra are both great coaches. So is Frank Vogel. I don't get this comparison you're trying to make though. Miami were supposed to win not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7... and only ended up with 2. Also, Vogel has only been coach of the Lakers for 3 seasons... and AD got injured in the playoffs last season, missed a whole bunch of games this season... and none of Lebron, Wade, Bosh or AD are as boneheaded as Westbrick.

The comparison I was trying to make was the OP saying "Imagine trying to deal with headcases like Westbrook/LeBron"

and thats why I cited Lue/Spo as examples of coaches that have coached multiple 'headcases' in harder situations and ended up still looking a lot better than Vogel has.

[ken6199]

“Russ [Westbrook) never respected Frank [Vogel] from Day 1,” said one Lakers staff member with knowledge of the situation. “The moment Frank said anybody who gets the rebound can bring it up the court, which is just how the NBA is played these days, Russ was like, ‘Naw, I’m the point guard. Give the ball to me. Everybody run. Frank was like, ‘No, we have Talen [Horton-Tucker)] We have Austin [Reaves]. We have Malik. We have LeBron. We have AD. They can all bring the ball up.’ He was like, ‘Nope, I’m the point guard. Give me that s—. Everybody get out the way.

“From that point on, in training camp, it was a wrap, ‘cause now Russ is a fish out of water. He doesn’t know what to do. That’s how that started.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-04-08/inside-la-lakers-disappointing-season-lebron-james-anthony-davis

That's quite disgusting if it's true. Even though I should not believe things without question, I find this easy to believe because we saw something similar in that game when Vogel first benched Russ. At a moment in the game when the Lakers were down, Russ went to Lebron and AD to supposedly "support them" by telling them that he wished he could help them but Vogel didn't have him playing. You could even see on Lebron and AD's faces that what he said was a WTF moment for them.

My take is, take it with a grain of salt for any "an unknown member of the staff said xxx", even if it is reported from LA times or bleacher report. However if there is enough noise around a story it must be a reason.

From what I see, I truly believe Russ wants to help the team however he is one of those dudes who can get stuck in a mental zone with any external voice blocked from his head. Doing something wrong is not the most dangerous thing, always believing you are right is. It's always been his issue, during his prime he had enough production to sustain this insane level of weird stubbornness, but when he is needed to be in a support role it becomes a glaring hole.

[Kilroy]

All these 'team sources' popping up... The Lakers are in full meltdown internally... Good. Melt that **** down... Melt it aaalll down...

[LAL1947]

......in terms of difficulty to coach? Which is the entire topic of conversation? My point is prime Bosh/Wade/Bron were much tougher to coach than old LeBron/Westbrook and Davis. Spolstra handed it to the tune of 4 straight Finals and 2 rings and Ty Lue handled it the same way in MUCH higher stakes than Vogel did.

Point being, Vogel didnt have that hard of a coaching situation comparatively. Maybe hes just not a good coach. Spo/Lue got it done 4 years a piece in harder situations. Vogel failed in 4 years in a easier situation.

Ty Lue and Eric Spoelstra are both great coaches. So is Frank Vogel. I don't get this comparison you're trying to make though. Miami were supposed to win not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7... and only ended up with 2. Also, Vogel has only been coach of the Lakers for 3 seasons... and AD got injured in the playoffs last season, missed a whole bunch of games this season... and none of Lebron, Wade, Bosh or AD are as boneheaded as Westbrick.

The comparison I was trying to make was the OP saying "Imagine trying to deal with headcases like Westbrook/LeBron"

and thats why I cited Lue/Spo as examples of coaches that have coached multiple 'headcases' in harder situations and ended up still looking a lot better than Vogel has.

Well, I don't think Lebron, Wade, Bosh or AD are headcases. AD might have the weakest personality of those 4... but Russ is the only genuine headcase of these 5. This wasn't a good situation that Vogel was placed in and there's more to it than just Russ, like the age of the rest and none of the vets leading by example when it came to playing defense.

[azcatz11]

Do coaches still get paid when they're fired? Sorry if that's a stupid question. If so, Vogel can chill for a year (not that he couldn't anyway) and probably have his pick of jobs in a year or so.

[bbalnation]

“Russ [Westbrook) never respected Frank [Vogel] from Day 1,” said one Lakers staff member with knowledge of the situation. “The moment Frank said anybody who gets the rebound can bring it up the court, which is just how the NBA is played these days, Russ was like, ‘Naw, I’m the point guard. Give the ball to me. Everybody run. Frank was like, ‘No, we have Talen [Horton-Tucker)] We have Austin [Reaves]. We have Malik. We have LeBron. We have AD. They can all bring the ball up.’ He was like, ‘Nope, I’m the point guard. Give me that s—. Everybody get out the way.

“From that point on, in training camp, it was a wrap, ‘cause now Russ is a fish out of water. He doesn’t know what to do. That’s how that started.”

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-04-08/inside-la-lakers-disappointing-season-lebron-james-anthony-davis

From a journalistic standpoint, what are your thoughts on articles that have 1 unidentified source (could be literally anybody), who "will only be quoted if they are allowed anonymity"?

Russ shared the ball with James Harden and Bradley Beal before this. I saw James and Brad both bring the ball up during his time with the Rockets and the Wizards.

Something doesn't add up in this specific story, and the timing, along with the fact this is an LA-based media website (that makes $ off of clicks/views/ads, like many do), is interesting.

It could be true but for now its not verified to me... because the source to me is meaningless.

[Murray_17]

They'll ship him to Indiana.

Hield Brogdom for frp and wb

The Lakers don't have a first to trade until 2026 without a first round pick incoming for the year. It's also going to take a hell of a lot more than a Lakers 1st round pick to get back actual value in Hield AND Brogdan with Russ coming back. Hell, a 1RP doesn't even cover taking on Russ for all but 2 or 3 teams in this league.

Sending Westbrook to Indiana would cut into developing Hailburton too

[Childs]

Are people getting A.I vibes from this guy? Like this guy is so stubborn and thick headed.

[RiRuHoops]

See...**** like this is what makes me dislike Russ a lot. Get this bum of the team. Go be Russ in the Iraqi div 6 league.

He led the Lakers in almost every category statistically this season. Keep hating though.

Westbrick's burner account detected

[Pharmcat]

Hield Brogdom for frp and wb

The Lakers don't have a first to trade until 2026 without a first round pick incoming for the year. It's also going to take a hell of a lot more than a Lakers 1st round pick to get back actual value in Hield AND Brogdan with Russ coming back. Hell, a 1RP doesn't even cover taking on Russ for all but 2 or 3 teams in this league.

Sending Westbrook to Indiana would cut into developing Hailburton too

Ooof

Hayward and rosier it is then

[KembaWalker]

The first person in this organization to have some accountability will be the first person I think maybe wasnt the problem on this team. So far I haven't seen a shred of it from the top down

[boomershadow]

Hield Brogdom for frp and wb

The Lakers don't have a first to trade until 2026 without a first round pick incoming for the year. It's also going to take a hell of a lot more than a Lakers 1st round pick to get back actual value in Hield AND Brogdan with Russ coming back. Hell, a 1RP doesn't even cover taking on Russ for all but 2 or 3 teams in this league.

Sending Westbrook to Indiana would cut into developing Hailburton too

Can you imagine Westbrook and Rick Carlisle trying to get along?